| Plans for return of fans on 17:46 - Dec 10 with 3037 views | 442Dale |
Latest Government press conference has had some focus on the rising numbers in London and with them only recently put into tier 2 there’s a chance it could lead to a move to tier 3. Would they then run the risk of similar changes in numbers ahead of Christmas by moving areas from 3 to 2?
To add to the confusion, it appears that lower non-league clubs can have fans return in tier 3!
https://www.nwcfl.com/news-articles.php?id=8341
That’s beyond mystifying as there is no way those clubs, with smaller grounds and less faculties can have a plan in place that’s as thorough as that of Dale’s. |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 17:50 - Dec 10 with 3030 views | judd |
| Plans for return of fans on 17:46 - Dec 10 by 442Dale |
Latest Government press conference has had some focus on the rising numbers in London and with them only recently put into tier 2 there’s a chance it could lead to a move to tier 3. Would they then run the risk of similar changes in numbers ahead of Christmas by moving areas from 3 to 2?
To add to the confusion, it appears that lower non-league clubs can have fans return in tier 3!
https://www.nwcfl.com/news-articles.php?id=8341
That’s beyond mystifying as there is no way those clubs, with smaller grounds and less faculties can have a plan in place that’s as thorough as that of Dale’s. |
Andy Burnham has hinted at a split Greater Manchester on a North/South divide, citing concerns the leader of Rochdale council has about the borough dropping into Tier 2 |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 17:25 - Dec 16 with 2631 views | D_Alien |
The review of which tier we're in is being conducted today, but the outcome not announced until tomorrow. Many people may have expected an outcome today, but with the PM putting a revised message out about households mixing between 23-27 Dec it may have been decided not to make any other announcements on the same day
For us and other clubs who might still have some hope of being able to allow fans to attend on Saturday (however slim), this leaves just Friday to get the ticketing sorted online if it becomes possible. There was mention of a 'window' for DFRC holders, then open sale. That's likely to be a very narrow window! |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 18:24 - Dec 16 with 2494 views | nordenblue |
| Plans for return of fans on 17:50 - Dec 10 by judd |
Andy Burnham has hinted at a split Greater Manchester on a North/South divide, citing concerns the leader of Rochdale council has about the borough dropping into Tier 2 |
Theres a strong chance of keeping the whole of Greater Manchester in tier 3, imagine the reception that would have received had it been London... |  | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 20:31 - Dec 16 with 2392 views | boromat |
| Plans for return of fans on 17:25 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
The review of which tier we're in is being conducted today, but the outcome not announced until tomorrow. Many people may have expected an outcome today, but with the PM putting a revised message out about households mixing between 23-27 Dec it may have been decided not to make any other announcements on the same day
For us and other clubs who might still have some hope of being able to allow fans to attend on Saturday (however slim), this leaves just Friday to get the ticketing sorted online if it becomes possible. There was mention of a 'window' for DFRC holders, then open sale. That's likely to be a very narrow window! |
Just noticed we're down for a 13:00 kick off aswell. Hadn't seen that advertised. | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 07:57 - Dec 17 with 2145 views | judd |
| Plans for return of fans on 20:31 - Dec 16 by boromat |
Just noticed we're down for a 13:00 kick off aswell. Hadn't seen that advertised. |
Yeah, I only noticed that when I saw the hospitality advert.
Not that we'll be going to the game anyway... | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 09:41 - Dec 17 with 2064 views | dawlishdale |
| Plans for return of fans on 07:57 - Dec 17 by judd |
Yeah, I only noticed that when I saw the hospitality advert.
Not that we'll be going to the game anyway... |
Burnham the rat has been lobbying to keep North Manchester in T3, whilst lowering Central and South Manchester to T2. | | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:01 - Dec 17 with 2038 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
No real point in going down to tier 2 now, barely any time for hospitality to make any money & also the hassle of ordering, staffing etc only to be put back into a lockdown in Jan. IMO better we stay tier 3 til Feb when more vulnerable people will have been vaccinated, then make a concerted effort to open up in stages. |  | | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 10:12 - Dec 17 with 2022 views | D_Alien |
| Plans for return of fans on 09:41 - Dec 17 by dawlishdale |
Burnham the rat has been lobbying to keep North Manchester in T3, whilst lowering Central and South Manchester to T2. |
"North/South divide" | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 10:14 - Dec 17 with 2015 views | D_Alien |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:01 - Dec 17 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
No real point in going down to tier 2 now, barely any time for hospitality to make any money & also the hassle of ordering, staffing etc only to be put back into a lockdown in Jan. IMO better we stay tier 3 til Feb when more vulnerable people will have been vaccinated, then make a concerted effort to open up in stages. |
I somehow doubt "hospitality" would agree with you | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 10:18 - Dec 17 with 2003 views | DaleiLama |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:01 - Dec 17 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
No real point in going down to tier 2 now, barely any time for hospitality to make any money & also the hassle of ordering, staffing etc only to be put back into a lockdown in Jan. IMO better we stay tier 3 til Feb when more vulnerable people will have been vaccinated, then make a concerted effort to open up in stages. |
From what I understood, the 5 day Xmas break is a temporary "Tier X" then go back into previous Tiering. So if we are downgraded to Tier 2 pre-Xmas ,and our rates justify it, I'd say there was every reason to hope for a downgrade now which might stay in place post Xmas? |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 11:04 - Dec 17 with 1940 views | dingdangblue |
Lancashire told they are remaining in tier 3. |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 11:07 - Dec 17 with 1937 views | dingdangblue |
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| Plans for return of fans on 11:56 - Dec 17 with 1849 views | D_Alien |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:18 - Dec 17 by DaleiLama |
From what I understood, the 5 day Xmas break is a temporary "Tier X" then go back into previous Tiering. So if we are downgraded to Tier 2 pre-Xmas ,and our rates justify it, I'd say there was every reason to hope for a downgrade now which might stay in place post Xmas? |
I think the lower restrictions over the 5-day Christmas period just concerns gatherings in people's homes, and doesn't mean that hospitality can re-open - which of course it won't be now anyway | |
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| Plans for return of fans on 18:47 - Dec 17 with 1577 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Plans for return of fans on 09:41 - Dec 17 by dawlishdale |
Burnham the rat has been lobbying to keep North Manchester in T3, whilst lowering Central and South Manchester to T2. |
Where have you got this information from? Just that when we originally went into the Tier system it was reported that he was vehemently against southern parts of GM being allowed to be in Tier 2 , against the wishes of some of the local MPs. |  |
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| Plans for return of fans on 22:24 - Dec 17 with 1431 views | Dalenet |
| Plans for return of fans on 09:41 - Dec 17 by dawlishdale |
Burnham the rat has been lobbying to keep North Manchester in T3, whilst lowering Central and South Manchester to T2. |
It was reported that the leaders of Rochdale, Oldham and Bury councils asked to stay in Tier 3. That meant the "southern" areas of Greater Manchester were trapped too. If he had campaigned as you suggest the southern areas of the conurbation would be released into Tier 2 which didn't happen
My understanding from a Board member of the Greater Manchester NHS Trusts is that hospitals remain stretched and that is the key factor in the decision | | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 22:46 - Dec 17 with 1382 views | nordenblue |
| Plans for return of fans on 22:24 - Dec 17 by Dalenet |
It was reported that the leaders of Rochdale, Oldham and Bury councils asked to stay in Tier 3. That meant the "southern" areas of Greater Manchester were trapped too. If he had campaigned as you suggest the southern areas of the conurbation would be released into Tier 2 which didn't happen
My understanding from a Board member of the Greater Manchester NHS Trusts is that hospitals remain stretched and that is the key factor in the decision |
Are hospitals not usually pretty stretched in winter leading up to Christmas? I'm sure I heard some top local nhs brass on radio 2 recently stating they're always predicted to run around 90%+ capacity anyway this time of year | | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:11 - Dec 18 with 1248 views | dawlishdale |
| Plans for return of fans on 18:47 - Dec 17 by foreverhopefulDale |
Where have you got this information from? Just that when we originally went into the Tier system it was reported that he was vehemently against southern parts of GM being allowed to be in Tier 2 , against the wishes of some of the local MPs. |
It was on the MEN site or twitter about 3 days ago. Plus, I spoke to someone who attended Burnham's news briefing last week, when he strongly hinted that Manchester should be split up.
Burnham has changed his views on this several times, and appears to have done so again. | | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:58 - Dec 18 with 1191 views | Dalenet |
| Plans for return of fans on 22:46 - Dec 17 by nordenblue |
Are hospitals not usually pretty stretched in winter leading up to Christmas? I'm sure I heard some top local nhs brass on radio 2 recently stating they're always predicted to run around 90%+ capacity anyway this time of year |
Yes they are. But you'll be aware that up to 20% of staff are off at any time due to isolating (which isn't normal), there is little elective surgery taking place, and high dependency care takes an awful lot more resource then say a flu victim. Pennine Acute trust is full and is having to send patients to other trusts for care my colleague tells me. That will have been a factor in the decision. Besides 200+ cases per 100,000 is still high. We just need to get through this for the next couple of months | | | |
| Plans for return of fans on 06:10 - Dec 19 with 959 views | nordenblue |
| Plans for return of fans on 10:58 - Dec 18 by Dalenet |
Yes they are. But you'll be aware that up to 20% of staff are off at any time due to isolating (which isn't normal), there is little elective surgery taking place, and high dependency care takes an awful lot more resource then say a flu victim. Pennine Acute trust is full and is having to send patients to other trusts for care my colleague tells me. That will have been a factor in the decision. Besides 200+ cases per 100,000 is still high. We just need to get through this for the next couple of months |
I agree with most of your points, the part about sending patients to other trusts for care is all again very "normal", someone on radio 2 that I wish now I'd noted their name who's job was purely to deal in the numbers and capacity, their opinion was totally opposite to that saying hospitals are "struggling", this was during the height of it all, we've since seen numbers drop through the floor as a comparison. | | | |
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