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Life is about to get a whole lot hotter for the Scouse Disaster, Alexander Jarvis.
On 29th April 2021, 9 weeks BEFORE those fateful late night EGMs of 1st June Alexander Jarvis visited RAFC during the day with Andy Curran.
This is just after the Swindon home game where a number of fans clocked Curran's Rolls Royce Cullinan (71AC) on the main car park and Curran attended alongside many others.
It said: "As reported on Monday, the Board of Directors are working to secure outside investment for Rochdale AFC and as a result have met with several serious investors over the past few months.
The Board have now reached a key stage with a number of highly interested parties, including a group of investors, who attended last night’s game along with the Speakmans."
On the 29th April, Andy Curran drove up to Rochdale from deepest Essex to visit RAFC with Jarvis brought with him an unannounced guest to RAFC.
Step forward: MATTHEW SOUTHALL
Fortunately - and thanks to the wonders of CCTV technology - all of this gets recorded in glorious technicolour. The kind of glorious technicolour that means you can pick out three people clearly who clearly are all connected.
Southall, Curran and Jarvis - the pauper's Ocean 11.
NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.
With all that has gone on, why wait until now to release this GOLDEN NUGGET of information?
In life, timing is everything.
Kieran Maguire noted on 5th June 2021 on his podcast that he felt Southall was always involved. Go listen back to his podcast; he tells us what our CEO at the time wouldn't.
These tweets are 4 days after the EGMs:
Just listening to @KieranMaguire's latest podcast episode.... Matt Southall is at Rochdale.
" TBF after the meeting with fans trust at Dale would be difficult for Southall to sneak control over the club ."
Alexander, oh, Alexander. We owe you such a thank you for being so f*cking useless that you have tied Matt Southall to Andy Curran and Matt Southall to yourself.
When you came back with Andy Curran on 6th July 2021 to meet the Dale Trust you left behind the vital bits of information that allowed this little love triangle to be confirmed, filmed and documented.
Fat Pat of the Wilbutts Lane Chippy witnessed the trio on 29th April 2021 espying the menu but suspicions were raised when no-one orders a chip barm.
Tonight is the night where we can say, there is NO DOUBT at all that Southall was in this all along.
Now for the usual difficult questions: 1) What was Matthew Southall doing at RAFC on 29th April?
2) What link(s) does Matthew Southall have with Andrew Kirk Curran?
3) Why would Matthew Southall be so secretive about his involvement with Andrew Kirk Curran PRIOR to the EGM but show up at Spotland for a meeting?
4) Why would Matthew Southall HIDE behind Alexander Jarvis when the going got tough in the Summer?
5) When is all goes wrong and the EFL charges Morton House and individuals, how can Matthew Southall do 25% deal so fast with Andrew Curran's payroll company?
Here was the dastardly plan folks that was going to dupe supporters and the EFL: a) A payroll company, with hidden ownership, agrees it will loan some money to a Matthew Southall. The technical term is "bridging finance" b) That payroll company charges Matthew Southall "interest" on that loan c) The payroll company buys the shares from individuals and makes them assignable to Matthew Southall. Alexander Jarvis needs to get 50% to get paid and do a deal d) At 50% Matthew Southall can then assign the shares bought and emerge as the new owner of Rochdale Association Football Club. e) Asset stripping of the football club can then begin. Big consultancy invoices are charged and the club and its supporters are left behind to deal with the mess. f) The bridging loan is repaid, with a financial return for the payroll company. g) The deal goes through so quickly that the EFL can do nothing about it.
There are some MASSIVE thank you's in providing the missing pieces of the jigsaw:
* Charlton fans. The next time we play you the beers are on us. * Specific Charlton club employees who were asked about Matthew Southall on 29th April 2021 * Fat Pat - eye witness extraordinaire * Local CCTV operators * Alexander Jarvis
It is an utter disgrace how the EFL have been duped by Alexander Jarvis, Andrew Curran, Morton House and Matthew Southall.
Seriously it gets scary by the minute how close it came to disaster. Us Rochdale fans owe our eternal thanks to you, Col , the trust, the board, cloughies estate, UTDNFS Twitter account and others.
The one thing that just didn’t add up until now was what was in it for Curran!!
Just few outstanding questions for me:
1) how much did bottemley know 2) was Halsall ever a serious contender or was that a spanner in the works thrown in by Andrew Kelly? 3) had the deal with Curran been done before the EGM as stone had intimated? 4) Morton House and Curran have obviously stumped up the cash to pay for the shares but has southall paid them? If so does he own them now / will he hand in the transfer papers now the cat is out of the bag? 5) was the call with the trust a vailed attempt to try and recover some cash by goading the trust into trying to do a deal.
All loose ends but given how they tried to con their way to getting control of the club and failed, I wonder if the club have a legal route to declaring then void. I seem to remember McQuire suggesting it could be a likely outcome when asked on his podcast a while ago.
Once again Thank You Thank you Thank you
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MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:31 - Dec 9 with 7622 views
Ah yes, "improved communication". When that disaster of communications, David Roger Bottomley had "apologised" for his insane non-communication of important stuff, he could not wait to issue a "club statement" very quickly because the consequences of his actions the night before might have made him look bad. Hiding a couple of scam shrinks with a personalised number plate as "club representatives" when genuine fans and sponsors of the club could not attend just shows his Basil Fawlty-esque obsession with status and position in his weird world.
Tonight's revelations show what a mercenary self-serving toad he was. Read now before he demands that the truth of his actions inviting scum into the club is deleted under a fake threat of legal action because he can't face the truth.
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MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:57 - Dec 9 with 7583 views
OP reminds me of the twists & turns of a test match. Having been up against it, we've fought back. Still not over yet? But replays suggest we were even more hard done by than we thought!
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:14 - Dec 9 by wozzrafc
Well suddenly it all makes sense!! Bravo
Seriously it gets scary by the minute how close it came to disaster. Us Rochdale fans owe our eternal thanks to you, Col , the trust, the board, cloughies estate, UTDNFS Twitter account and others.
The one thing that just didn’t add up until now was what was in it for Curran!!
Just few outstanding questions for me:
1) how much did bottemley know 2) was Halsall ever a serious contender or was that a spanner in the works thrown in by Andrew Kelly? 3) had the deal with Curran been done before the EGM as stone had intimated? 4) Morton House and Curran have obviously stumped up the cash to pay for the shares but has southall paid them? If so does he own them now / will he hand in the transfer papers now the cat is out of the bag? 5) was the call with the trust a vailed attempt to try and recover some cash by goading the trust into trying to do a deal.
All loose ends but given how they tried to con their way to getting control of the club and failed, I wonder if the club have a legal route to declaring then void. I seem to remember McQuire suggesting it could be a likely outcome when asked on his podcast a while ago.
Once again Thank You Thank you Thank you
We can take those questions if you like:
1) how much did bottemley know
We know from his public statements that Bottomley led the search for investment. On 30th April 2021 he did this interview on Youtube which is timestamped:
Direct quote from the transcript of the video:
"We have had NDA's in place with a number of parties and we hope to be very close to be able to put a deal together that we can present to our shareholders that says "These are the people who want to get involved in Rochdale Football club, they have the club at heart as we do and they want to take the club forward in the right direction so the reason for quite a lot of silence in the last few weeks - and I accept communication could have been better - is down to the fact that we are involved in very sensitive negotiations with people to actually want to come forward and get involved in this absolutely wonderful football club."
2) was Halsall ever a serious contender or was that a spanner in the works thrown in by Andrew Kelly?
Halsall must have been a serious contender. The BBC's Simon Stone said:
"Between 2018 and 2021, a number of non-disclosure agreements were issued to interested investors. Some on the board thought they had found the right man in entrepreneur and motorbike team owner Martin Halsall. Another businessman, Andrew Curran, was also among those club officials spoke to.
After Halsall had been given a presentation by the club, he was introduced to the Rochdale Supporters' Trust (Dale Trust) who put forward a number of questions about his plans which they say were not answered.
3) had the deal with Curran been done before the EGM as stone had intimated?
If there was a deal done with Curran before the EGM it can't have been legally. It was not mentioned to shareholders on the night of 1 June 2021 in presentations and Q&A before voting occured.
The whole point of the EGM was to create new shares to issues blind. Those motions were withdrawn by Directors on 1 June 2021 and not voted on.
Again, the BBC's Simon Stone says clearly:
Morton House planned to take a majority stake in Rochdale through private, independent deals with seven shareholders. But, after talks with the influential Dale Trust fans group, former chairman Andrew Kelly did not sell his shares, which left Morton House with a 42% stake in the club.
Individually, none of the six completed transactions were subject to EFL approval. However, as a whole, they took Morton House above the 30% threshold required for submission to the EFL's owners and directors' test.
Those six completed transactions must have taken place after the EGM on 1st June 2021.
4) Morton House and Curran have obviously stumped up the cash to pay for the shares but has southall paid them? If so does he own them now / will he hand in the transfer papers now the cat is out of the bag?
It is important to remember that that EFL launched investigation proceedings on 21st August 2021 which they have not yet completed or reported on.
Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Ironically, it now appears that the withdrawing from the process meant selling to Matthew Southall.
Thanks to the witness testimony Fat Pat and the powers of technology, it is known that Curran, Jarvis and Southall met at RAFC on 29th April 2021.
No one other than Morton House and/or Matthew Southall and/or Alexander Jarvis knows if any subsequent onward transfer has occurred but if it had, that would also be a breach of EFL rules where Morton House are refusing to co-operate with the EFL.
Matthew Southall has been publicly silent in recent weeks, despite it being claimed at the end of September that he had bought 25% in the club.
Former Charlton Athletic chairman Matthew Southall has struck a deal to buy a 25 per cent stake in League Two football club Rochdale AFC. Mr Southall is acquiring his shares from Andy Curran and Darrel Rose's Morton House MGT group, whose bid to take over the club collapsed several weeks ago.
The Manchester Evening News have not named their source but it must be considered accurate for them to publish it. Whether the EFL rules have been further breached by Morton House are unclear.
5) was the call with the trust a vailed attempt to try and recover some cash by goading the trust into trying to do a deal.
Only Matthew Southall will be able to answer that question.
It's probably important to note that the Trust have recorded all of their meetings with all individuals on the Trust website as follows.
No mention has been made of Matthew Southall offering the shares for sale back to the Trust at any price. The Trust would have reported that I am sure given their extensive coverages.
Some interesting snippets if you compare and contracts both articles and merge the facts; "He (Curran) explained that he had no desire to personally be involved with the Club on a day-to-day basis and he was very happy to proceed with things at the Club as they currently are. He (Curran) saw himself turning up on matchdays and treating it more as a social event, with those already in situ continuing with the running of the Club."
He (Southall) said that he had known Jarvis for a few years and the pair had worked together before including at Charlton. Jarvis had told him that he had a deal that had “gone wrong” that might be of interest Southall.
On the subject of proof of funding, the EFL Head of Governance, Ryan Hyde, wrote to us last Friday and confirmed that they “cannot find any evidence of the source and sufficiency of funding on behalf of the potential purchaser having been provided to us.”
He (Southall) stated that Morton House had valued the club at £5m, but from his knowledge of football, if the Club could be promoted to League One it would be worth in the region of £6m to 8m. He (Southall) cited the case of another League One club that he was offered at £10m that didn’t even own its own ground. He (Southall) said that he’d be looking to sell those shares at a stage to give him a return on his investment. He said any questions about the value of the investment would come down to his judgement.
He (Southall) stated a number of times throughout the hour long zoom call that this was a deal between himself and Morton House, and that no other approach had been made for the shares. He stated that they’d expected offers to have come in either from the Club or from the Trust, but nothing had been forthcoming.
When Southall describes it to the Trust as Jarvis saying a deal "gone wrong" it is effectively made to sound like a rescue mission.
HOWEVER. It now transpires that Jarvis, Curran and Southall were all together on 29th April 2021 discussing RAFC. That is after the Swindon game and well before any EGM to shareholders.
Why would that be?
Any why would the EFL not now also launch and investigation into disciplinary proceedings against Matthew Southall for being involved with Morton House from before the EGM?
Jarvis is going to be a wanted man - and not just by the EFL.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
'Not many have first hand experience of how some “umbrella” payroll companies work. It’s seems not to be spoken about outside the payroll industry.
Companies must pay NI contributions on staff earnings, but small companies can claim relief from HMRC of a fixed 4k p.a.
What some umbrella companies do is to split a large company into many small companies set up with overseas registered stooge directors. The umbrella company acts outwardly as if all the employees are employed by the umbrella company but the paper work for declaring earnings to HMRC are filed under the names of the individual companies. The client is invoiced for full NI which is paid to HMRC and the individual companies each then then claim £4k. The client normally gets free payroll services and paid a “commission.
The case I had experience of split a single company into 220 entities so claiming £880k p.a profit on that one client. How many clients they had I don’t know. They went into liquidation shortly afterwards and set up again with the same clients. The cash I assume gets laundered through the overseas directors.
HMRC are aware of the practice but seem powerless to prevent it.
Only umbrella companies who are not signed up to the legitimate trade association pursue this practice. I note that Morton House is not a member of the trade association.'
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 19:59 - Dec 10 by UpTheDaleNotForSale
An interesing comment on the Charlton forum:
'Not many have first hand experience of how some “umbrella” payroll companies work. It’s seems not to be spoken about outside the payroll industry.
Companies must pay NI contributions on staff earnings, but small companies can claim relief from HMRC of a fixed 4k p.a.
What some umbrella companies do is to split a large company into many small companies set up with overseas registered stooge directors. The umbrella company acts outwardly as if all the employees are employed by the umbrella company but the paper work for declaring earnings to HMRC are filed under the names of the individual companies. The client is invoiced for full NI which is paid to HMRC and the individual companies each then then claim £4k. The client normally gets free payroll services and paid a “commission.
The case I had experience of split a single company into 220 entities so claiming £880k p.a profit on that one client. How many clients they had I don’t know. They went into liquidation shortly afterwards and set up again with the same clients. The cash I assume gets laundered through the overseas directors.
HMRC are aware of the practice but seem powerless to prevent it.
Only umbrella companies who are not signed up to the legitimate trade association pursue this practice. I note that Morton House is not a member of the trade association.'
Here's another clue that it's not really a payroll company:
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 08:05 - Dec 10 by RAFCBLUE
We can take those questions if you like:
1) how much did bottemley know
We know from his public statements that Bottomley led the search for investment. On 30th April 2021 he did this interview on Youtube which is timestamped:
Direct quote from the transcript of the video:
"We have had NDA's in place with a number of parties and we hope to be very close to be able to put a deal together that we can present to our shareholders that says "These are the people who want to get involved in Rochdale Football club, they have the club at heart as we do and they want to take the club forward in the right direction so the reason for quite a lot of silence in the last few weeks - and I accept communication could have been better - is down to the fact that we are involved in very sensitive negotiations with people to actually want to come forward and get involved in this absolutely wonderful football club."
2) was Halsall ever a serious contender or was that a spanner in the works thrown in by Andrew Kelly?
Halsall must have been a serious contender. The BBC's Simon Stone said:
"Between 2018 and 2021, a number of non-disclosure agreements were issued to interested investors. Some on the board thought they had found the right man in entrepreneur and motorbike team owner Martin Halsall. Another businessman, Andrew Curran, was also among those club officials spoke to.
After Halsall had been given a presentation by the club, he was introduced to the Rochdale Supporters' Trust (Dale Trust) who put forward a number of questions about his plans which they say were not answered.
3) had the deal with Curran been done before the EGM as stone had intimated?
If there was a deal done with Curran before the EGM it can't have been legally. It was not mentioned to shareholders on the night of 1 June 2021 in presentations and Q&A before voting occured.
The whole point of the EGM was to create new shares to issues blind. Those motions were withdrawn by Directors on 1 June 2021 and not voted on.
Again, the BBC's Simon Stone says clearly:
Morton House planned to take a majority stake in Rochdale through private, independent deals with seven shareholders. But, after talks with the influential Dale Trust fans group, former chairman Andrew Kelly did not sell his shares, which left Morton House with a 42% stake in the club.
Individually, none of the six completed transactions were subject to EFL approval. However, as a whole, they took Morton House above the 30% threshold required for submission to the EFL's owners and directors' test.
Those six completed transactions must have taken place after the EGM on 1st June 2021.
4) Morton House and Curran have obviously stumped up the cash to pay for the shares but has southall paid them? If so does he own them now / will he hand in the transfer papers now the cat is out of the bag?
It is important to remember that that EFL launched investigation proceedings on 21st August 2021 which they have not yet completed or reported on.
Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Ironically, it now appears that the withdrawing from the process meant selling to Matthew Southall.
Thanks to the witness testimony Fat Pat and the powers of technology, it is known that Curran, Jarvis and Southall met at RAFC on 29th April 2021.
No one other than Morton House and/or Matthew Southall and/or Alexander Jarvis knows if any subsequent onward transfer has occurred but if it had, that would also be a breach of EFL rules where Morton House are refusing to co-operate with the EFL.
Matthew Southall has been publicly silent in recent weeks, despite it being claimed at the end of September that he had bought 25% in the club.
Former Charlton Athletic chairman Matthew Southall has struck a deal to buy a 25 per cent stake in League Two football club Rochdale AFC. Mr Southall is acquiring his shares from Andy Curran and Darrel Rose's Morton House MGT group, whose bid to take over the club collapsed several weeks ago.
The Manchester Evening News have not named their source but it must be considered accurate for them to publish it. Whether the EFL rules have been further breached by Morton House are unclear.
5) was the call with the trust a vailed attempt to try and recover some cash by goading the trust into trying to do a deal.
Only Matthew Southall will be able to answer that question.
It's probably important to note that the Trust have recorded all of their meetings with all individuals on the Trust website as follows.
No mention has been made of Matthew Southall offering the shares for sale back to the Trust at any price. The Trust would have reported that I am sure given their extensive coverages.
Some interesting snippets if you compare and contracts both articles and merge the facts; "He (Curran) explained that he had no desire to personally be involved with the Club on a day-to-day basis and he was very happy to proceed with things at the Club as they currently are. He (Curran) saw himself turning up on matchdays and treating it more as a social event, with those already in situ continuing with the running of the Club."
He (Southall) said that he had known Jarvis for a few years and the pair had worked together before including at Charlton. Jarvis had told him that he had a deal that had “gone wrong” that might be of interest Southall.
On the subject of proof of funding, the EFL Head of Governance, Ryan Hyde, wrote to us last Friday and confirmed that they “cannot find any evidence of the source and sufficiency of funding on behalf of the potential purchaser having been provided to us.”
He (Southall) stated that Morton House had valued the club at £5m, but from his knowledge of football, if the Club could be promoted to League One it would be worth in the region of £6m to 8m. He (Southall) cited the case of another League One club that he was offered at £10m that didn’t even own its own ground. He (Southall) said that he’d be looking to sell those shares at a stage to give him a return on his investment. He said any questions about the value of the investment would come down to his judgement.
He (Southall) stated a number of times throughout the hour long zoom call that this was a deal between himself and Morton House, and that no other approach had been made for the shares. He stated that they’d expected offers to have come in either from the Club or from the Trust, but nothing had been forthcoming.
When Southall describes it to the Trust as Jarvis saying a deal "gone wrong" it is effectively made to sound like a rescue mission.
HOWEVER. It now transpires that Jarvis, Curran and Southall were all together on 29th April 2021 discussing RAFC. That is after the Swindon game and well before any EGM to shareholders.
Why would that be?
Any why would the EFL not now also launch and investigation into disciplinary proceedings against Matthew Southall for being involved with Morton House from before the EGM?
Jarvis is going to be a wanted man - and not just by the EFL.
Thorough as ever RAFCBLUE
In my question I was raising trying to raise a few hypothetical points:
1) when Bottemley met with Curran and Southall it must have set some bells ringing. Surely he would have ask why Southall was not being named. Even him must have seen what was going on at charlton. Was he let in on the plan and did he actively help javis keep Southalls involvement quiet?
A lot of us assumed he was taking Curran for a ride, but actually was he working with them?
2) I was under the impression that it was Kelly acting as interim chairman and not Bottemley who brought in Halsall. Did this almost scupper their plans?
Or did it inadvertently help? was it the smoke screen they needed ? did bottemley know the shareholders would have never have let it happen, but wanted them to think this was the first choice deal to keep eyes off Curran and Morton house?
3) if the deal had been done with Curran before the EGM it wouldn’t have been done legally. My point exactly had Kilpatrick and Bottemley decided already to sell to Curran thinking the shareholders wouldn’t pass the EGM.!had Bottemley already had plan B lined up. They know AK would sell, Jarvis and Curran sold a cock and bull story to the yanks and they thought AK would have caved in rather than miss out.
5) Matthew Southall had an ulterior motive in wanting to talk to the trust. Rereading the account he stated if the trust could get the money to do the deal then it would be different but he almost try’s to put them off by saying how the club needed money. Was it a last gasp attempt to stop the share issue maybe. It’s irrelevant now, other than Southall confirming a link via Jarvis with Morton House.
With your revelation today it makes the whole seedy scenario 100 times worse. In particular our ex ceo is now well and truly exposed, potentially fully knowing the truth of who actually was buying the club. The waters get murky and murky.
It also shows just how bloody close they got to pulling it off!!!
Finally Your bang on about point 4) the EFL rules will have been breached regardless. What a fine mess they have gone and got themselves into. With all the publicity around this fans review let’s hope the EFL, FA and other authorities decide to make an example of them.
[Post edited 10 Dec 2021 23:42]
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MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:58 - Dec 10 with 5804 views
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:38 - Dec 10 by wozzrafc
Thorough as ever RAFCBLUE
In my question I was raising trying to raise a few hypothetical points:
1) when Bottemley met with Curran and Southall it must have set some bells ringing. Surely he would have ask why Southall was not being named. Even him must have seen what was going on at charlton. Was he let in on the plan and did he actively help javis keep Southalls involvement quiet?
A lot of us assumed he was taking Curran for a ride, but actually was he working with them?
2) I was under the impression that it was Kelly acting as interim chairman and not Bottemley who brought in Halsall. Did this almost scupper their plans?
Or did it inadvertently help? was it the smoke screen they needed ? did bottemley know the shareholders would have never have let it happen, but wanted them to think this was the first choice deal to keep eyes off Curran and Morton house?
3) if the deal had been done with Curran before the EGM it wouldn’t have been done legally. My point exactly had Kilpatrick and Bottemley decided already to sell to Curran thinking the shareholders wouldn’t pass the EGM.!had Bottemley already had plan B lined up. They know AK would sell, Jarvis and Curran sold a cock and bull story to the yanks and they thought AK would have caved in rather than miss out.
5) Matthew Southall had an ulterior motive in wanting to talk to the trust. Rereading the account he stated if the trust could get the money to do the deal then it would be different but he almost try’s to put them off by saying how the club needed money. Was it a last gasp attempt to stop the share issue maybe. It’s irrelevant now, other than Southall confirming a link via Jarvis with Morton House.
With your revelation today it makes the whole seedy scenario 100 times worse. In particular our ex ceo is now well and truly exposed, potentially fully knowing the truth of who actually was buying the club. The waters get murky and murky.
It also shows just how bloody close they got to pulling it off!!!
Finally Your bang on about point 4) the EFL rules will have been breached regardless. What a fine mess they have gone and got themselves into. With all the publicity around this fans review let’s hope the EFL, FA and other authorities decide to make an example of them.
[Post edited 10 Dec 2021 23:42]
Your point about the EFL investigation is an interesting one, and (at least whilst its ongoing) it would make it very difficult for Bottomley to get a job / directorship at another EFL club. It would be impossible if he was found guilty.
So if Bottomley wants to stay in football, he'd probably have to look at a position / directorship at a non league club. Somwhere on the North West coast, maybe. Ideally a job which is advertised specifically for people who don't have family commitments that might take them away from the day job, and would be classed as 'high profile' as the advert went viral
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:58 - Dec 10 by UpTheDaleNotForSale
Your point about the EFL investigation is an interesting one, and (at least whilst its ongoing) it would make it very difficult for Bottomley to get a job / directorship at another EFL club. It would be impossible if he was found guilty.
So if Bottomley wants to stay in football, he'd probably have to look at a position / directorship at a non league club. Somwhere on the North West coast, maybe. Ideally a job which is advertised specifically for people who don't have family commitments that might take them away from the day job, and would be classed as 'high profile' as the advert went viral
MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 23:38 - Dec 10 by wozzrafc
Thorough as ever RAFCBLUE
In my question I was raising trying to raise a few hypothetical points:
1) when Bottemley met with Curran and Southall it must have set some bells ringing. Surely he would have ask why Southall was not being named. Even him must have seen what was going on at charlton. Was he let in on the plan and did he actively help javis keep Southalls involvement quiet?
A lot of us assumed he was taking Curran for a ride, but actually was he working with them?
2) I was under the impression that it was Kelly acting as interim chairman and not Bottemley who brought in Halsall. Did this almost scupper their plans?
Or did it inadvertently help? was it the smoke screen they needed ? did bottemley know the shareholders would have never have let it happen, but wanted them to think this was the first choice deal to keep eyes off Curran and Morton house?
3) if the deal had been done with Curran before the EGM it wouldn’t have been done legally. My point exactly had Kilpatrick and Bottemley decided already to sell to Curran thinking the shareholders wouldn’t pass the EGM.!had Bottemley already had plan B lined up. They know AK would sell, Jarvis and Curran sold a cock and bull story to the yanks and they thought AK would have caved in rather than miss out.
5) Matthew Southall had an ulterior motive in wanting to talk to the trust. Rereading the account he stated if the trust could get the money to do the deal then it would be different but he almost try’s to put them off by saying how the club needed money. Was it a last gasp attempt to stop the share issue maybe. It’s irrelevant now, other than Southall confirming a link via Jarvis with Morton House.
With your revelation today it makes the whole seedy scenario 100 times worse. In particular our ex ceo is now well and truly exposed, potentially fully knowing the truth of who actually was buying the club. The waters get murky and murky.
It also shows just how bloody close they got to pulling it off!!!
Finally Your bang on about point 4) the EFL rules will have been breached regardless. What a fine mess they have gone and got themselves into. With all the publicity around this fans review let’s hope the EFL, FA and other authorities decide to make an example of them.
[Post edited 10 Dec 2021 23:42]
There's nothing at all hypothetical of what happened this Summer.
From your points:
1) We know from the AGM and EGM on 1st June 2021 that Curran and Rose were not mentioned. Indeed, the Trust talked about Martin Halsall at that event but he had withdrawn.
We also know that Curran, Southall and Jarvis were all seen at the club on 29th April 2021 for a meeting with club employees which has been witnessed. Only the people in that meeting would know the content of that meeting, but (and rather fortunately) CCTV and eye-witnesses not in that meeting can place them all at the club.
We know from Alexander Jarvis' publications in the Manchester Evening News that Southall wasn't named at that point. You can assume that Jarvis (having been at Rochdale on 29th April 2021) actively wants that keeping quiet. Jarvis named Curran to the Daily Telegraph on 5th August ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu
Southall let the cat out of the bag in his interview with Dale Trust on 1 October 2021. "He (Southall) stated a number of times throughout the hour long zoom call that this was a deal between himself and Morton House, and that no other approach had been made for the shares."
2) Only the people who were in those situations can answer that properly. Dale Trust did meet Halsall though - and so you have to conclude that that was Board supported to allow a meeting with the Dale Trust to be formed.
3) A trading of shares deal could have been done legally - as in a number of private transfers between shareholders and Morton House, but again that was not what was said on the evening of the 1st June 2021 and nor did the Directors actually push the motions to be voted on. When push came to show they were withdrawn. The only reasonable conclusion that can be made is that all of those share transfers happened after 1st June 2021.
5) Southall is now exposed - having visited the club on 29th April 2021 - as someone who knew of Curran and Jarvis and of their interest in doing a deal. As did the CEO who stated at the AGM/EGM that he had been running the process and we know must have hosted them for the Swindon game on 13th April.
Andrew Kelly did not attend that AGM/EGM as he was stated as being unwell.
Like most things Morton House, we read it in the Manchester Evening News prior to it being actual fact. You can only assume that the journalist that Jarvis feeds has been fed the information to write about it at the right time. Unfortunately, this is Jarvis we are talking about and he has struggled at every turn to not shoot himself in the foot.
On the last point - punishment, the EFL rules are really clear and they have to follow their own process part of which is from their statement in August 2021:
A little bit like an on field melee where the ref then books two or three players, expect the EFL to:
* DEFINITELY punish Andrew Curran. He is a no-one in football and has done a deal of some kind that came out of the EFL's statement in August which said "Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.". This states that shares have been traded without EFL approval. Thanks to Alexander Jarvis in the MEN, Curran was named by him by the buyer and attending a meeting where he made a homophobic remark, which is still under investigation under the misconduct rules of the EFL.
* DEFINITELY punish Morton House. This will involve punishing its directors of the time and subsequent, namely Denise Valarie Courtnell, Darrell Rose and Faical Safouane . Courtnell, Rose and Safouane are - in some way - all shareholders / directors of Morton House when the EFL charges them. Morton House is not co-operating - a usual sign of guilt - so those three will be held accountable as officers of Morton House.
* POSSIBLY punish the former CEO. The EFL will look with great scrutiny at the role of the former CEO, who openly admits in a Youtube video that he was leading a path on "much needed investment" into the club.
It will all come down to IF the former CEO has sold his shares to Morton House and if he has on what grounds; IF he has it is very difficult to see how the EFL cannot punish him given if Morton House have broken the rules so they will have had assistance in breaking those rules by not following the proper process.
* POSSIBLY punish some other selling shareholders The EFL will want to know on what ground the deal was done and who knew what and when. No one knows which shareholders have or haven't defintely sold but if any of them were connected with the club and in charge of its governance they will have been expected to know the rules on change of ownership.
* POSSIBLY punish Matthew Southall Southall is a really interesting one.
Southall clearly claimed he had done a deal and that itself is likely to have breached the rules, but even if it hasn't he can't really back away from Morton House having threatened the club and Trust with legal action over the EGM. One one hand he has "agreed a deal to buy 25%" from Morton House but Morton House are themselves not co-operating with the EFL. The EFL will want to know on what ground he is involved and how he is funding his purchase (despite apparent personal financial difficulties) and how he has become involved with Morton House.
In the wings, Charlton Athletic fans are looking on and waiting for Southall to fail. As is his builder who is owed a lot of money legally, the builder having a charge on his house.
These CCTV and Fat Pat's eye witness revelations raise a new spectre that Southall, Curran and Jarvis all met at the club on 29th April 2021. Very hard to deny that if it's there on video and if they met at the club rather than doing a meeting well away from the club.
We live in a world where everyone has a camera phone and in the same way those fancy cars had their pictures shared that ability to share information has never been easier.
The EFL have no loyalty to anyone and will only want to see the right answer delivered under their own rules. The rules have been broken. There will be punishment for that.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
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MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 20:35 - Dec 12 by RAFCBLUE
There's nothing at all hypothetical of what happened this Summer.
From your points:
1) We know from the AGM and EGM on 1st June 2021 that Curran and Rose were not mentioned. Indeed, the Trust talked about Martin Halsall at that event but he had withdrawn.
We also know that Curran, Southall and Jarvis were all seen at the club on 29th April 2021 for a meeting with club employees which has been witnessed. Only the people in that meeting would know the content of that meeting, but (and rather fortunately) CCTV and eye-witnesses not in that meeting can place them all at the club.
We know from Alexander Jarvis' publications in the Manchester Evening News that Southall wasn't named at that point. You can assume that Jarvis (having been at Rochdale on 29th April 2021) actively wants that keeping quiet. Jarvis named Curran to the Daily Telegraph on 5th August ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu
Southall let the cat out of the bag in his interview with Dale Trust on 1 October 2021. "He (Southall) stated a number of times throughout the hour long zoom call that this was a deal between himself and Morton House, and that no other approach had been made for the shares."
2) Only the people who were in those situations can answer that properly. Dale Trust did meet Halsall though - and so you have to conclude that that was Board supported to allow a meeting with the Dale Trust to be formed.
3) A trading of shares deal could have been done legally - as in a number of private transfers between shareholders and Morton House, but again that was not what was said on the evening of the 1st June 2021 and nor did the Directors actually push the motions to be voted on. When push came to show they were withdrawn. The only reasonable conclusion that can be made is that all of those share transfers happened after 1st June 2021.
5) Southall is now exposed - having visited the club on 29th April 2021 - as someone who knew of Curran and Jarvis and of their interest in doing a deal. As did the CEO who stated at the AGM/EGM that he had been running the process and we know must have hosted them for the Swindon game on 13th April.
Andrew Kelly did not attend that AGM/EGM as he was stated as being unwell.
Like most things Morton House, we read it in the Manchester Evening News prior to it being actual fact. You can only assume that the journalist that Jarvis feeds has been fed the information to write about it at the right time. Unfortunately, this is Jarvis we are talking about and he has struggled at every turn to not shoot himself in the foot.
On the last point - punishment, the EFL rules are really clear and they have to follow their own process part of which is from their statement in August 2021:
A little bit like an on field melee where the ref then books two or three players, expect the EFL to:
* DEFINITELY punish Andrew Curran. He is a no-one in football and has done a deal of some kind that came out of the EFL's statement in August which said "Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.". This states that shares have been traded without EFL approval. Thanks to Alexander Jarvis in the MEN, Curran was named by him by the buyer and attending a meeting where he made a homophobic remark, which is still under investigation under the misconduct rules of the EFL.
* DEFINITELY punish Morton House. This will involve punishing its directors of the time and subsequent, namely Denise Valarie Courtnell, Darrell Rose and Faical Safouane . Courtnell, Rose and Safouane are - in some way - all shareholders / directors of Morton House when the EFL charges them. Morton House is not co-operating - a usual sign of guilt - so those three will be held accountable as officers of Morton House.
* POSSIBLY punish the former CEO. The EFL will look with great scrutiny at the role of the former CEO, who openly admits in a Youtube video that he was leading a path on "much needed investment" into the club.
It will all come down to IF the former CEO has sold his shares to Morton House and if he has on what grounds; IF he has it is very difficult to see how the EFL cannot punish him given if Morton House have broken the rules so they will have had assistance in breaking those rules by not following the proper process.
* POSSIBLY punish some other selling shareholders The EFL will want to know on what ground the deal was done and who knew what and when. No one knows which shareholders have or haven't defintely sold but if any of them were connected with the club and in charge of its governance they will have been expected to know the rules on change of ownership.
* POSSIBLY punish Matthew Southall Southall is a really interesting one.
Southall clearly claimed he had done a deal and that itself is likely to have breached the rules, but even if it hasn't he can't really back away from Morton House having threatened the club and Trust with legal action over the EGM. One one hand he has "agreed a deal to buy 25%" from Morton House but Morton House are themselves not co-operating with the EFL. The EFL will want to know on what ground he is involved and how he is funding his purchase (despite apparent personal financial difficulties) and how he has become involved with Morton House.
In the wings, Charlton Athletic fans are looking on and waiting for Southall to fail. As is his builder who is owed a lot of money legally, the builder having a charge on his house.
These CCTV and Fat Pat's eye witness revelations raise a new spectre that Southall, Curran and Jarvis all met at the club on 29th April 2021. Very hard to deny that if it's there on video and if they met at the club rather than doing a meeting well away from the club.
We live in a world where everyone has a camera phone and in the same way those fancy cars had their pictures shared that ability to share information has never been easier.
The EFL have no loyalty to anyone and will only want to see the right answer delivered under their own rules. The rules have been broken. There will be punishment for that.
"The EFL have no loyalty to anyone and will only want to see the right answer delivered under their own rules. The rules have been broken. There will be punishment for that."
Try telling that to Mercedes & the FIA.....
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MORTON HOUSE / Southall, Curran and Jarvis ALL visited RAFC on 29th APRIL 2021 on 19:35 - Dec 13 with 4085 views
Section 23 of the Ground Regulations: 23. CCTV cameras are in use around and in the Ground. Body worn video cameras recording video and/or audio may also be used as appropriate, to record images or audio which identifies you as an individual, for example to record prohibited behaviours as referenced in paragraphs 9 and 10. The Club may itself use or pass to the police or any Football Authority or other clubs, any recordings for use in any proceedings.
No one who has attended the Ground can ever say they aren't warned.
There are big signs up that list the Ground Regulations in several places.
Good that the Club can use or pass to the police of any Football Authority any recordings for use in any proceedings.
Worth thinking about hard if you are Southall, Curran and Jarvis. Particularly if you might have parked under one of the CCTV points.
Technology these days is amazing.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
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