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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... 08:58 - Jan 10 with 19234 viewsRAFCBLUE

https://www.efl.com/siteassets/image/201920/governance-reviews/bury-review..pdf-

When will the EFL get off the fence? That has to be a question worth asking hard now given the way in which events have unfolded with a failed hostile takeover by a faceless payroll company.

The threatening of Rochdale supporters and the Dale Trust with High Court legal action allows us to remind ourselves of the role of the EFL as regulator.

A regulator regulates. It is there to ensure that the rules and governance is upheld and not overridden to the detriment of the game.

To be fair to the EFL, the EFL HAVE already launched disciplinary actions against "multiple individuals" in August 2021 but that is it so far.

They also confirmed in a statement on 16 August 2021:
https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

Furthermore, Morton House MGT, its directors, and representatives, have confirmed to the League they are refusing to co-operate with the League’s ongoing investigations.

As we have highlighted before from the demise of bury fc was the criticisms in the Bird and Bird review, ordered by the Department of Culture Media and Sport.

It's a really good read and if you're interested in doing so make sure you have brew before you start!

The pertinent bit for Dale fans in challenging the EFL and the mockery of a process and our experience as fans so far is on Page 31 (of 33)

"8.3 This case has highlighted several issues with the EFL Regulations, in particular in relation to:

8.3.1 the OAD Test. There is no doubt that the EFL applied the OAD Test properly in relation to Mr Day and Mr Dale. The question is whether the test as currently written is fit for purpose. In particular,
it only looks at a narrow list of objective criteria, and does not take into account various other factors that speak to whether a new owner or director is a fit and proper person to own/run a member Club.

8.3.2 the regulations that apply to changes of ownership of a Club. Once again, the EFL applied those regulations when Mr Dale acquired Bury FC from Mr Day. However, the regulations do not prevent a new owner acquiring the Club before he or she has provided a business plan for the Club and proof of the funding required to underwrite that plan. I am aware that the EFL is already considering blocking changes in control until the new owner has provided adequate evidence of source and sufficiency of funding. For example, it could require the new owner to provide irrevocable financial guarantees of payment of any funding requirements for at least two seasons.

8.3.3 the regulations relating to ongoing monitoring of a Club's financial health. In particular, the Regulations do not currently require League One and Two clubs to submit annual business plans,
underwritten by adequate proof of funding, or half-yearly management accounts, and the SCMP submissions they are required to file were never intended to be and are not an adequate substitute.


NOW HERE ARE THE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS FOR THE EFL:

1. In the testing of Morton House, Andrew Curran, Matthew Southall and any other party are the EFL applying the narrow criteria or, as recommended, the wider consideration of the Bird and Bird review?

2. Have Morton Rose, Curran, Rose, Southall provided their business plan - as opposed to the Club's business plan. Testimony from the the EFL statement indicates this has not occurred. The Bird and Bird review suggests it should have done.

3. Who at the EFL is leading the EFL review? The Bird and Bird review suggested this should be a senior leader.

4. Have Morton House, Curran, Rose or Southall provided the "irrevocable financial guarantees"?

5. When do the EFL expect to conclude the disciplinary investigations?

6. What recommendations from the Bird and Bird review are the EFL applying to the circumstances that exist for Rochdale AFC with a failed hostile takeover by a faceless payroll company?


These are six very challenging question for the EFL and some more very good reasons why the EFL should kick out these folks into touch.

WHERE IS THE EFL IN ALL OF THIS?

As noted above, the EFL have started a disciplinary investigation that is currently ongoing.

The EFL though are deafening in their silence of movement and have provided no public statement since August 2021.

That's nearly FIVE months of silence from the EFL.

If anyone wanted to contact the EFL directly then the details on their website are:

https://www.efl.com/-more/efl-media/efl-press-office/

Email: media@efl.com

Twitter: https://twitter.com/EFL_Comms
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:58 - Jan 10 with 7476 views1907

I have sent an email using that link to the efl requesting clarity and an update on the situation following the law suits being filed over the weekend. Would encourage everybody else using this message board to do the same to apply some pressure which hopefully may make them come out and say something.
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 12:00 - Jan 10 with 7302 viewsDaleiLama

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:58 - Jan 10 by 1907

I have sent an email using that link to the efl requesting clarity and an update on the situation following the law suits being filed over the weekend. Would encourage everybody else using this message board to do the same to apply some pressure which hopefully may make them come out and say something.


Ditto, closing off as follows:

I would be very grateful if you could address these issues as a concerned fan and shareholder of Rochdale AFC, one of your member clubs!

Thank-you in advance.

Best regards

"Concerned Fan" (real name used)

PS Please don't reply with a bland acknowledgement of receipt of my e-mail and that the situation is still under investigation. This is not good enough. Five months have gone by and we are still under a hostile threat which needs repelling. This may not matter to you but it does to fans of our club! We need ACTION. We need it NOW!

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 12:42 - Jan 10 with 7210 viewsD_Alien

It's been perfectly obvious since the summer that the EFL have been conspicuously gathering splinters on their collective arses

Is that likely to change? The only way i can see them getting off the fence is if it collapses from beneath them. We need to be giving it a bloody big kick

I'll be writing in to them too. I'll try to be polite, but it'll be difficult
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 12:59 - Jan 10 with 7150 views49thseason

If you are writing to the EFL , I would suggest CCing your MP and perhaps Tracey Crouch too.
The EFL needs to recognise that they cant simply hide behind the sofa and hope the bad people will simply go away.
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 15:32 - Jan 10 with 6958 viewsRAFCBLUE

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 12:59 - Jan 10 by 49thseason

If you are writing to the EFL , I would suggest CCing your MP and perhaps Tracey Crouch too.
The EFL needs to recognise that they cant simply hide behind the sofa and hope the bad people will simply go away.


Good shout re: Tracy Crouch and the MP, Tony Lloyd.

Lloyd already called out the wrong 'uns when they surfaced in the Summer. Hopefully he has had time to pass the file to HMRC and other government agencies to see what can be done about a faceless payroll company.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/21/rochdale-takeover-abandoned-aft

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 21:24 - Jan 12 with 6639 views1907

Hello

Thank you for your email, we acknowledge your comments in respect of Rochdale.

The EFL’s investigation into the circumstances surrounding the sale and purchase of shares in Rochdale AFC in July 2021 remains ongoing. As with all disciplinary matters, it is the League’s aim to complete investigations in a timely manner, but ensuring the process is thorough and robust remains of paramount importance.

Whilst we are unable to comment on specifics, this investigation has proved complex given it involves not only the Club but also number of other companies and individuals. To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks.

The EFL understands frustrations of Rochdale fans at the length of time regulatory investigations can take and an update will be provided as soon as possible.

Thank you for contacting the EFL.

Kind Regards

Andrew
Supporter Services Department
EFL
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 21:43 - Jan 12 with 6589 viewsRAFCBLUE

Whilst we are unable to comment on specifics, this investigation has proved complex given it involves not only the Club but also number of other companies and individuals. To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks.

NEW information in the last two weeks?

Fair play to the EFL - they look like they are digging and digging and digging.

We have though on this forum and in this fanbase spades, digging equipment and a couple of JCB's and many, many hands to operate that.

One thing that we are not short of is proper graft.

Hopefully the EFL prove what we know is going to be the outcome, that we were set-up by a hostile person(s) for a failed takeover by a faceless payroll company and none of it for the future benefit of the club.
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 08:13 - Jan 13 with 6259 viewsboromat

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 21:43 - Jan 12 by RAFCBLUE

Whilst we are unable to comment on specifics, this investigation has proved complex given it involves not only the Club but also number of other companies and individuals. To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks.

NEW information in the last two weeks?

Fair play to the EFL - they look like they are digging and digging and digging.

We have though on this forum and in this fanbase spades, digging equipment and a couple of JCB's and many, many hands to operate that.

One thing that we are not short of is proper graft.

Hopefully the EFL prove what we know is going to be the outcome, that we were set-up by a hostile person(s) for a failed takeover by a faceless payroll company and none of it for the future benefit of the club.
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 08:50 - Jan 13 with 6186 viewsD_Alien

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 21:43 - Jan 12 by RAFCBLUE

Whilst we are unable to comment on specifics, this investigation has proved complex given it involves not only the Club but also number of other companies and individuals. To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks.

NEW information in the last two weeks?

Fair play to the EFL - they look like they are digging and digging and digging.

We have though on this forum and in this fanbase spades, digging equipment and a couple of JCB's and many, many hands to operate that.

One thing that we are not short of is proper graft.

Hopefully the EFL prove what we know is going to be the outcome, that we were set-up by a hostile person(s) for a failed takeover by a faceless payroll company and none of it for the future benefit of the club.
[Post edited 12 Jan 2022 21:50]


Strikes me, the EFL aren't digging at all, simply receiving and equivocating

When we refer to the EFL, who are we talking about? Who, for instance, is leading whatever investigation is taking place? There's a distinct lack of accountability here

I'm aware our Trust held talks during the summer with EFL official(s). It wouldn't be in the least prejudicial to have some identified accountability here - in fact, it'd be the natural way we do business in the UK

Edit: i'm not suggesting the Trust divulge their contacts btw, simply that the EFL should front up themselves

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:49 - Jan 13 with 6086 viewswozzrafc

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 21:43 - Jan 12 by RAFCBLUE

Whilst we are unable to comment on specifics, this investigation has proved complex given it involves not only the Club but also number of other companies and individuals. To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks.

NEW information in the last two weeks?

Fair play to the EFL - they look like they are digging and digging and digging.

We have though on this forum and in this fanbase spades, digging equipment and a couple of JCB's and many, many hands to operate that.

One thing that we are not short of is proper graft.

Hopefully the EFL prove what we know is going to be the outcome, that we were set-up by a hostile person(s) for a failed takeover by a faceless payroll company and none of it for the future benefit of the club.
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“ To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks. ”

Given the fact that Morton House have stated they are not complying with the investigation, then can we assume that this information has come from the football club, trust or one of countless number of fans who have been digging OR is this information the EFL has found themselves or been given by a 3rd Party organisation.

Hopefully this information adds to the weight of evidence for the case against Morton House and Co, and possibly lead to charges to other individuals who where previously not known to be linked to this deal by the EFL. Those as RAFCBLUE puts it “have been lurking in the shadows “.

The plot thickens…..
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 12:41 - Jan 13 with 5871 viewsJames1980

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 08:50 - Jan 13 by D_Alien

Strikes me, the EFL aren't digging at all, simply receiving and equivocating

When we refer to the EFL, who are we talking about? Who, for instance, is leading whatever investigation is taking place? There's a distinct lack of accountability here

I'm aware our Trust held talks during the summer with EFL official(s). It wouldn't be in the least prejudicial to have some identified accountability here - in fact, it'd be the natural way we do business in the UK

Edit: i'm not suggesting the Trust divulge their contacts btw, simply that the EFL should front up themselves

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Surely it isn't just the EFL and FA that should be all over this. Hopefully many other agencies have their best people going through the various information uncovered by the tenacious, hard working investigative Dale Fans.

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 22:39 - Jan 13 with 5547 viewsRAFCBLUE

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:49 - Jan 13 by wozzrafc

“ To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks. ”

Given the fact that Morton House have stated they are not complying with the investigation, then can we assume that this information has come from the football club, trust or one of countless number of fans who have been digging OR is this information the EFL has found themselves or been given by a 3rd Party organisation.

Hopefully this information adds to the weight of evidence for the case against Morton House and Co, and possibly lead to charges to other individuals who where previously not known to be linked to this deal by the EFL. Those as RAFCBLUE puts it “have been lurking in the shadows “.

The plot thickens…..


Something of major significance must have gone to the EFL that they consider it to be "new" information.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

On 16 August 2021, in accordance with its Regulations, the EFL issued notice to multiple individuals of the commencement of disciplinary investigations in respect to the acquisition of shares in Rochdale Association Football Club.

Perhaps one or more of the "multiple individuals" has now grassed on the rest in order that he or she could have a lighter punishment or even immunity from prosecution.

Plea-bargaining often yields evidence for prosecutors. If you are one of hte "multiple individuals" are are found guilty there is a list of severe punishments, some of which ban you from being involved from football.

Someone has snitched to save themselves. That can only be it.

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 00:27 - Jan 14 with 5439 viewsDorkingDale

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 22:39 - Jan 13 by RAFCBLUE

Something of major significance must have gone to the EFL that they consider it to be "new" information.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

On 16 August 2021, in accordance with its Regulations, the EFL issued notice to multiple individuals of the commencement of disciplinary investigations in respect to the acquisition of shares in Rochdale Association Football Club.

Perhaps one or more of the "multiple individuals" has now grassed on the rest in order that he or she could have a lighter punishment or even immunity from prosecution.

Plea-bargaining often yields evidence for prosecutors. If you are one of hte "multiple individuals" are are found guilty there is a list of severe punishments, some of which ban you from being involved from football.

Someone has snitched to save themselves. That can only be it.


Might be related to the legal developments?!
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 06:59 - Jan 14 with 5317 viewswozzrafc

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 22:39 - Jan 13 by RAFCBLUE

Something of major significance must have gone to the EFL that they consider it to be "new" information.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

On 16 August 2021, in accordance with its Regulations, the EFL issued notice to multiple individuals of the commencement of disciplinary investigations in respect to the acquisition of shares in Rochdale Association Football Club.

Perhaps one or more of the "multiple individuals" has now grassed on the rest in order that he or she could have a lighter punishment or even immunity from prosecution.

Plea-bargaining often yields evidence for prosecutors. If you are one of hte "multiple individuals" are are found guilty there is a list of severe punishments, some of which ban you from being involved from football.

Someone has snitched to save themselves. That can only be it.


So a little bird has been singing like a canary…… could that be a yellow bellied scouse warbler or a bald crested grey Oldham tvvat!!
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 07:13 - Jan 14 with 5275 viewsHullDale

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 06:59 - Jan 14 by wozzrafc

So a little bird has been singing like a canary…… could that be a yellow bellied scouse warbler or a bald crested grey Oldham tvvat!!


IF somebody has decided to grass on their mates, you'd have to think it would be an individual who was deluded enough to believe they still had a future in football at some capacity / level, conceited enough to believe another club would want them, and down right daft enough to think that giving morsels of information (that may or may not be knowledge amongst other people already) to investigating bodies is enough to get them off the hook.

That synopsis probably brings you to Bottomley, Jarvis or Southall.
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 07:56 - Jan 14 with 5201 viewsJames1980

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 07:13 - Jan 14 by HullDale

IF somebody has decided to grass on their mates, you'd have to think it would be an individual who was deluded enough to believe they still had a future in football at some capacity / level, conceited enough to believe another club would want them, and down right daft enough to think that giving morsels of information (that may or may not be knowledge amongst other people already) to investigating bodies is enough to get them off the hook.

That synopsis probably brings you to Bottomley, Jarvis or Southall.


Didn't somebody receive a lesser sanction for turning states evidence, after being involved in price fixing?

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 08:53 - Jan 14 with 5135 viewswozzrafc

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 07:56 - Jan 14 by James1980

Didn't somebody receive a lesser sanction for turning states evidence, after being involved in price fixing?


We have seen something this before at Rochdale. Russell Green provided evidence to the EFL to wrong doing at Hartlepool. He later got another job in football at Rochdale unfortunately the EFL choose to ban him, despite him being the whistle blower and he lost his job ……….
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:13 - Jan 14 with 5095 viewsJames1980

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 08:53 - Jan 14 by wozzrafc

We have seen something this before at Rochdale. Russell Green provided evidence to the EFL to wrong doing at Hartlepool. He later got another job in football at Rochdale unfortunately the EFL choose to ban him, despite him being the whistle blower and he lost his job ……….


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/russ-green-rochd

I see this case back in June 2018 related to events in June 2016. Hopefully this wasn't because it takes the EFL two years or more to carry our an investigation.

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:29 - Jan 14 with 5064 viewswozzrafc

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:13 - Jan 14 by James1980

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/russ-green-rochd

I see this case back in June 2018 related to events in June 2016. Hopefully this wasn't because it takes the EFL two years or more to carry our an investigation.


Ironically look at the repercussions for Rochdale from that decision!!!!!
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:48 - Jan 14 with 5013 viewsDaleiLama

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 07:13 - Jan 14 by HullDale

IF somebody has decided to grass on their mates, you'd have to think it would be an individual who was deluded enough to believe they still had a future in football at some capacity / level, conceited enough to believe another club would want them, and down right daft enough to think that giving morsels of information (that may or may not be knowledge amongst other people already) to investigating bodies is enough to get them off the hook.

That synopsis probably brings you to Bottomley, Jarvis or Southall.


Is there any evidence of any of those three fessing up to get off more lightly in the past?

Asking for a friend.

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:30 - Jan 14 with 4947 viewsCockneyDale

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:49 - Jan 13 by wozzrafc

“ To illustrate the challenges the EFL has received new information regarding these matters over the course of the last two weeks. ”

Given the fact that Morton House have stated they are not complying with the investigation, then can we assume that this information has come from the football club, trust or one of countless number of fans who have been digging OR is this information the EFL has found themselves or been given by a 3rd Party organisation.

Hopefully this information adds to the weight of evidence for the case against Morton House and Co, and possibly lead to charges to other individuals who where previously not known to be linked to this deal by the EFL. Those as RAFCBLUE puts it “have been lurking in the shadows “.

The plot thickens…..


Could it simply be a reference to Curran being charged by the FA?
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:39 - Jan 14 with 4923 viewswozzrafc

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:30 - Jan 14 by CockneyDale

Could it simply be a reference to Curran being charged by the FA?


Well the EFL should have known that months ago as it happened on their call and they referred it to the FA!!

It could relate to the involvement of Matt Southall in April. Has fat pat any contacts at the EFL?
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 11:40 - Jan 14 with 4799 viewsJames1980

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 09:29 - Jan 14 by wozzrafc

Ironically look at the repercussions for Rochdale from that decision!!!!!
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You don't mean the opportunity for a 'lifelong supporter' to become CEO/Dictator

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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:22 - Jan 16 with 4268 viewsRAFCBLUE

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:39 - Jan 14 by wozzrafc

Well the EFL should have known that months ago as it happened on their call and they referred it to the FA!!

It could relate to the involvement of Matt Southall in April. Has fat pat any contacts at the EFL?


The EFL can't be referring from the EFL meeting in the Summer as they would have had that information when they charged "multiple individuals".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu

The timeline seems to have been as follows:

27th July 2021 - EFL meeting held by Zoom (described by the 5th August 2021 Telegraph article as "last Tuesday's meeting"

5th August 2021 - Daily Telegraph publish article which has headline:
FA investigating homophobic slur accusation as part of 'hostile' Rochdale takeover

16th August 2021 - EFL launch disciplinary proceedings into "multiple individuals

21st August 2021 - EFL issue statement
https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

12th October 2021 - BBC journalist Simon Stone produces BBC Sport article which is quickly taken down and revised

26th October 2021 - Revised article by Simon Stone appears
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58883213

29th October 2021 - Andrew Curran charged
https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/4/sport-news/143596/andrew-curran

11th January 2022 - Andrew Curran suspended for 63 days
https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/jan/11/curran-suspended-110122

It can only be one of four things:

(1) One or more of the "multiple individuals" has informed the EFL what really happened and the EFL are investigating that. That "informing" you would think can only be in return for a lesser punishment given that the saga has rumbled on and on and on.

(2) That article from Simon Stone was really the trigger for the sudden release of information and the EFL have researched it. If you look at the timing of it, the revised article was published on 26th October 2021 and the FA Charged Curran on 29th October 2021, 72 hours later. Was there information in the original or revised BBC article which gave the EFL a line/lines of enquiry?

(3) Simon Stone/the BBC are the providers of information relevant to the disciplinary investigations to the EFL behind what was an extensive piece. The BBC "sources" could be evidence for the EFL/the EFL could have asked him/them for information that he/they has/have provided.

(4) Someone else has provided new information and the EFL are investigating that

Whichever it is, the EFL are saying to supporters who write in that they have "new" information. Reassuringly that means they are looking at that information as a regulator.

I do think we will know before the end of the season; it can't be that hard to work out a binary question "Were the rules broken?"

Yes - sanctions against individuals
No - no further action taken
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MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 13:02 - Jan 16 with 4121 viewsD_Alien

MORTON HOUSE / Why the EFL MUST get off the fence soon... on 10:22 - Jan 16 by RAFCBLUE

The EFL can't be referring from the EFL meeting in the Summer as they would have had that information when they charged "multiple individuals".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu

The timeline seems to have been as follows:

27th July 2021 - EFL meeting held by Zoom (described by the 5th August 2021 Telegraph article as "last Tuesday's meeting"

5th August 2021 - Daily Telegraph publish article which has headline:
FA investigating homophobic slur accusation as part of 'hostile' Rochdale takeover

16th August 2021 - EFL launch disciplinary proceedings into "multiple individuals

21st August 2021 - EFL issue statement
https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-rochdale-afc2/

12th October 2021 - BBC journalist Simon Stone produces BBC Sport article which is quickly taken down and revised

26th October 2021 - Revised article by Simon Stone appears
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58883213

29th October 2021 - Andrew Curran charged
https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/4/sport-news/143596/andrew-curran

11th January 2022 - Andrew Curran suspended for 63 days
https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/jan/11/curran-suspended-110122

It can only be one of four things:

(1) One or more of the "multiple individuals" has informed the EFL what really happened and the EFL are investigating that. That "informing" you would think can only be in return for a lesser punishment given that the saga has rumbled on and on and on.

(2) That article from Simon Stone was really the trigger for the sudden release of information and the EFL have researched it. If you look at the timing of it, the revised article was published on 26th October 2021 and the FA Charged Curran on 29th October 2021, 72 hours later. Was there information in the original or revised BBC article which gave the EFL a line/lines of enquiry?

(3) Simon Stone/the BBC are the providers of information relevant to the disciplinary investigations to the EFL behind what was an extensive piece. The BBC "sources" could be evidence for the EFL/the EFL could have asked him/them for information that he/they has/have provided.

(4) Someone else has provided new information and the EFL are investigating that

Whichever it is, the EFL are saying to supporters who write in that they have "new" information. Reassuringly that means they are looking at that information as a regulator.

I do think we will know before the end of the season; it can't be that hard to work out a binary question "Were the rules broken?"

Yes - sanctions against individuals
No - no further action taken
[Post edited 16 Jan 2022 10:23]


"...it can't be that hard to work out a binary question "Were the rules broken?" "

"Oh yes it is!"

"Oh no it isn't!"

The EFL pantomime goes on well after its Xmas sell-by date

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