| Challinor leaves Stockport 17:43 - Jun 1 with 25785 views | judd |
Jim listed as odds on favourite replacement, according to some bookies. |  |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 18:22 - Jun 1 with 8385 views | Trev |
I think it would certainly turn his head, and the fact that certain twitter profiles linked to his agent are tweeting about it might indicate he wouldn't be averse to listening to offers... [Post edited 1 Jun 18:24]
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 19:40 - Jun 1 with 8144 views | blackdogblue |
X is full of speculation now tbh… my feed is full of it.
He’s proved himself in my humble opinion despite many people doubting him, probably me at some point, can’t remember tbh & not searching.
Don’t know what he earns a year, no idea how much of a pay rise he may get going to Stockport if true.. at the end of the day he has a family.
A tough decision, maybe short term salary unless Dale match it to stay 🤷♂️.. How many managers go elsewhere & fail, don’t last long.. a certain “ex GME” at Barnsley lasted about 18 months off memory.. he’s working at Aldi now or somewhere.
If he does go, I for one will wish him well |  |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 19:54 - Jun 1 with 8074 views | Cedar_Room |
Whilst I was not convinced McNulty was the right man - he has obviously proved himself and I would not be best pleased if he left now.
Firstly - Stockport are a rival and I’ve still not forgiven them for the 2008 play off final defeat so having them nick our manager would irritate me for that reason alone.
Secondly - Rochdale put their faith in Jim and now’s the time for that to be repaid. Going up into a new league brings all sorts of peril but we have consistency with this group so long as Jim stays as manager. Who’s to say a new manager would gel with the players? Who’s to say they would run through brick walls for a new guy? First season back in the EFL we need to stick with what’s worked. It’s far too much of a gamble to bring in someone new. Even waiting until next season, after we have (hopefully) had a steady season I wouldn’t be bothered about Jim going.
This feels like precisely the wrong thing for the club at this very delicate time.
Would be disappointed, and p1ssed off, if this does all come to pass. |  | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 19:58 - Jun 1 with 8020 views | TalkingSutty |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 19:54 - Jun 1 by Cedar_Room |
Whilst I was not convinced McNulty was the right man - he has obviously proved himself and I would not be best pleased if he left now.
Firstly - Stockport are a rival and I’ve still not forgiven them for the 2008 play off final defeat so having them nick our manager would irritate me for that reason alone.
Secondly - Rochdale put their faith in Jim and now’s the time for that to be repaid. Going up into a new league brings all sorts of peril but we have consistency with this group so long as Jim stays as manager. Who’s to say a new manager would gel with the players? Who’s to say they would run through brick walls for a new guy? First season back in the EFL we need to stick with what’s worked. It’s far too much of a gamble to bring in someone new. Even waiting until next season, after we have (hopefully) had a steady season I wouldn’t be bothered about Jim going.
This feels like precisely the wrong thing for the club at this very delicate time.
Would be disappointed, and p1ssed off, if this does all come to pass. |
The club might not have a choice. If he leaves it wont be the clubs fault, it will be down to McNulty wanting to move on to a higher league. We might bring in a manager who will do well, none of us know. [Post edited 1 Jun 19:59]
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:01 - Jun 1 with 7985 views | 442Dale |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 19:54 - Jun 1 by Cedar_Room |
Whilst I was not convinced McNulty was the right man - he has obviously proved himself and I would not be best pleased if he left now.
Firstly - Stockport are a rival and I’ve still not forgiven them for the 2008 play off final defeat so having them nick our manager would irritate me for that reason alone.
Secondly - Rochdale put their faith in Jim and now’s the time for that to be repaid. Going up into a new league brings all sorts of peril but we have consistency with this group so long as Jim stays as manager. Who’s to say a new manager would gel with the players? Who’s to say they would run through brick walls for a new guy? First season back in the EFL we need to stick with what’s worked. It’s far too much of a gamble to bring in someone new. Even waiting until next season, after we have (hopefully) had a steady season I wouldn’t be bothered about Jim going.
This feels like precisely the wrong thing for the club at this very delicate time.
Would be disappointed, and p1ssed off, if this does all come to pass. |
Whilst most would be disappointed, it would be an understandable move even if we might not agree with it.
To keep him and avoid some of those issues, would fans advocate the club offering him a long term contract on improved terms that would go some way to matching any offer he might have elsewhere? |  |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:15 - Jun 1 with 7905 views | D_Alien |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:01 - Jun 1 by 442Dale |
Whilst most would be disappointed, it would be an understandable move even if we might not agree with it.
To keep him and avoid some of those issues, would fans advocate the club offering him a long term contract on improved terms that would go some way to matching any offer he might have elsewhere? |
It'd be a "no" from me
There's very likely a clause been triggered in his existing contract which would help the club maintain some kind of stability following promotion to the EFL
To deviate from that would, i think, be counterproductive. As i posted t' other day, it'll be interesting to see what emerges during the summer regarding his contract - the length of it. at least
It didn't do us much good when KH was granted - what was it - a 5 year deal? |  |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:17 - Jun 1 with 7875 views | dawlishdale |
Stockport have form for pinching our Manager.
Last time; it was Danny Bergara who also took half our team with him and left us in a right mess having been given his chance in English football management with Dale.
We have to face up to the fact that we are currently a much smaller fish than they are, and thus any success we enjoy is likely to draw attention from teams further up the pyramid looking for a new Manager. | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:49 - Jun 1 with 7710 views | Duckegg |
Surely McNulty will want to finish the plan that he is a huge part of...
Would he get time to build a squad like he has at Dale.. [Post edited 1 Jun 20:50]
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:52 - Jun 1 with 7658 views | TalkingSutty |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:49 - Jun 1 by Duckegg |
Surely McNulty will want to finish the plan that he is a huge part of...
Would he get time to build a squad like he has at Dale.. [Post edited 1 Jun 20:50]
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They already have a quality squad, they lost the Play Off final at Wembley. | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:54 - Jun 1 with 7658 views | 442Dale |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:49 - Jun 1 by Duckegg |
Surely McNulty will want to finish the plan that he is a huge part of...
Would he get time to build a squad like he has at Dale.. [Post edited 1 Jun 20:50]
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The plan was a 3 year one to get back into the League. He achieved it in two years.
There may well be a new plan, but you can look at it objectively and say he’s completed one task, time for another. | |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 21:06 - Jun 1 with 7607 views | 442Dale |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 20:52 - Jun 1 by TalkingSutty |
They already have a quality squad, they lost the Play Off final at Wembley. |
They had quite a few on loan. Need a new keeper, two fullbacks, centre half, at least a couple in midfield and another striker.
There seemed to be a feeling Challinor had possibly hit a ceiling there with what they had. The loans didn’t really pay off at all. | |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 21:16 - Jun 1 with 7551 views | EllDale |
More names being added to the frame every hour including Richie Wellens and David Artell.
Could be an interesting shortlist/interview process. | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 21:41 - Jun 1 with 7410 views | TalkingSutty |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 21:06 - Jun 1 by 442Dale |
They had quite a few on loan. Need a new keeper, two fullbacks, centre half, at least a couple in midfield and another striker.
There seemed to be a feeling Challinor had possibly hit a ceiling there with what they had. The loans didn’t really pay off at all. |
They still have a very good squad of retained players, any new manager wouldn't be doing a rebuild. Some decent additions over the Summer should see them challenging for a play off place again. [Post edited 1 Jun 21:42]
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 00:20 - Jun 2 with 6981 views | Sandyman |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 21:16 - Jun 1 by EllDale |
More names being added to the frame every hour including Richie Wellens and David Artell.
Could be an interesting shortlist/interview process. |
You'd think Gary Rowett would be in with a shout too. |  |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 07:59 - Jun 2 with 6660 views | Duckegg |
It will be interesting in how this progresses and more importantly how this affects new signings...
What Dale dont to happenis this being a drawn out scenario to if McNulty leaves and then bringing in the right replacement which could take time and then that manager has to bring in players..
Not a good time for this to happen..... | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 10:45 - Jun 2 with 6353 views | dannyuk |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 07:59 - Jun 2 by Duckegg |
It will be interesting in how this progresses and more importantly how this affects new signings...
What Dale dont to happenis this being a drawn out scenario to if McNulty leaves and then bringing in the right replacement which could take time and then that manager has to bring in players..
Not a good time for this to happen..... |
There's a very good replacement just left the League one playoff final losing team... whoever they were. |  | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 10:50 - Jun 2 with 6330 views | samueloneils |
We can`t possibly know all the factors affecting Jim`s decision if he were offered the Stockport job, but there must be some strong arguments.
A bigger club with high expectations after two near misses would be a huge gamble, but would not destroy his past achievements, and as a family man would have close geographical attractions. Barry-Murphy proved us all wrong, though a different character all round.
But if Jim had any sense he would have been knocking on the Ogdens` door as soon as the promotion was achieved. Specifically a long-term contract at better rates plus bonuses etc, and a bigger budget for Div 2 negotiations on players. It may be that the Ogdens would be quite happy with a consolidation year, knowing the fans would mostly agree. They are commercially minded people and the value of incentives would probably be foremost. They are long-term planners.
Would Stockport provide the same level of security? | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 10:56 - Jun 2 with 6287 views | heywooddale |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 10:45 - Jun 2 by dannyuk |
There's a very good replacement just left the League one playoff final losing team... whoever they were. |
Read somewhere Blackburn might have their eye on Challinor not sure how much weight there is in it though | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 11:46 - Jun 2 with 6128 views | D_Alien |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 10:50 - Jun 2 by samueloneils |
We can`t possibly know all the factors affecting Jim`s decision if he were offered the Stockport job, but there must be some strong arguments.
A bigger club with high expectations after two near misses would be a huge gamble, but would not destroy his past achievements, and as a family man would have close geographical attractions. Barry-Murphy proved us all wrong, though a different character all round.
But if Jim had any sense he would have been knocking on the Ogdens` door as soon as the promotion was achieved. Specifically a long-term contract at better rates plus bonuses etc, and a bigger budget for Div 2 negotiations on players. It may be that the Ogdens would be quite happy with a consolidation year, knowing the fans would mostly agree. They are commercially minded people and the value of incentives would probably be foremost. They are long-term planners.
Would Stockport provide the same level of security? |
As pointed out earlier in the thread, it's highly unlikely JM would have to "go knocking" on anyone's door. Do you think the Ogdens are so unthinking as not to have made provision in terms of budgets and managerial contracts once promotion was achieved? All of this, very likely to be contained within JM's existing contract, pending further mutual negotiations in terms of extending it
There's another factor. Clubs wishing to speak to the manager of another club have to make an official, written "approach". If Stockport should do so, and if JM indicates he'd at least be willing to talk with such as Stockport, that'd also tell Dale something about how he sees his career right now - not just next year or whenever. And no detriment to anyone for that - just pointing out there's a process
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 12:50 - Jun 2 with 5891 views | davidab2202 |
I am sure should there be an approach from Stockport, it would only be a human reaction to see what the offer entails.Rumour was some months ago that Jim was interested in what Burton had to offer when there was speculation about their Managerial vacancy and I for one would certainly see Stockport as a far more interesting proposition | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 13:06 - Jun 2 with 5814 views | D_Alien |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 12:50 - Jun 2 by davidab2202 |
I am sure should there be an approach from Stockport, it would only be a human reaction to see what the offer entails.Rumour was some months ago that Jim was interested in what Burton had to offer when there was speculation about their Managerial vacancy and I for one would certainly see Stockport as a far more interesting proposition |
That's why there'd be no detriment to JM to look at what was being offered - as i said
But still, it'd also only be human to take that as a sign of current ambition, rather than anything further ahead in his career. I also think it's highly unlikely JM - any aspiring manager - wouldn't have a pretty damn good idea of what terms and conditions are available at such as Stockport | |
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| Challinor leaves Stockport on 13:40 - Jun 2 with 5691 views | turnthescrew |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 12:50 - Jun 2 by davidab2202 |
I am sure should there be an approach from Stockport, it would only be a human reaction to see what the offer entails.Rumour was some months ago that Jim was interested in what Burton had to offer when there was speculation about their Managerial vacancy and I for one would certainly see Stockport as a far more interesting proposition |
Presumably, whatever Burton had to offer wasn't as attractive as what Rochdale were offering. Thank God he stayed and I'll bet it's a decision he'll be glad he made. The grass isn't always greener, as many have found out to their cost. | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 14:13 - Jun 2 with 5531 views | Dale_4_Life |
Crack on at a club on an upward curve, knows the routine like clockwork.. will be backed to the hilt this year to show he can step up / kick on and take the next step himself (Play off Challenge???)
Or Skip league 2 - jump a league to a brand new environment, one where there is a potential it doesn't start well.. no brownie points accumulated and unemployed bt Christmas?.
I know this is football but there is still plenty of job to do at Dale... | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 15:01 - Jun 2 with 5330 views | ramsdale |
I feel like I'm definitely in the minority here, and I don't want it to come across as bashing Jim, but would it be all that bad?
The football hasn't been that great with him (promotion aside which is arguably all that matters), and will we be able to get away with some of the performances we put in last season and the style of football we played? I'd say on inspection it's a no.
My main concern, before anybody is signed or we can see the landscape of the league we'll start in, is that we never had a plan B in the league games against the likes of (no offence intended) Braintree, Morecambe etc, but we're sure going to need one against Rotherham and Port Vale.
Again, this isn't intended as a dig at BJ as I spent my entire 20s watching him as a player and now as a manager so understand his obvious and profound adoration for our club, but I just don't see it as the end of the world for us if he were to go. | | | |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 15:13 - Jun 2 with 5275 views | D_Alien |
| Challinor leaves Stockport on 15:01 - Jun 2 by ramsdale |
I feel like I'm definitely in the minority here, and I don't want it to come across as bashing Jim, but would it be all that bad?
The football hasn't been that great with him (promotion aside which is arguably all that matters), and will we be able to get away with some of the performances we put in last season and the style of football we played? I'd say on inspection it's a no.
My main concern, before anybody is signed or we can see the landscape of the league we'll start in, is that we never had a plan B in the league games against the likes of (no offence intended) Braintree, Morecambe etc, but we're sure going to need one against Rotherham and Port Vale.
Again, this isn't intended as a dig at BJ as I spent my entire 20s watching him as a player and now as a manager so understand his obvious and profound adoration for our club, but I just don't see it as the end of the world for us if he were to go. |
That's a perfectly valid view, and based on reality
Of course it wouldn't be the end of the world, surely we're all a bit more grown up than thinking anything of the sort? Might be the end of JM's world if he didn't succeed at Stockport, hence he'd have a huge decision to make (if offered the chance) since even if he struggled with us in our first season back in L2 i'm sure he'd be given at least another season, given the amount of credit he's built up here
This also comes back to what i've referred to as looking "haunted by success" and it seems no-one wants to disagree with it, which would be a first!
Edit: i should've said "most of us" are a bit more grown up...
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