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Meeting with the club 17:20 - Jul 19 with 2265 viewsjudd

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2019/07/meeting-with-the-club-3/

Thanks, Trust board.

From 10th May meeting:

"The trouble that occurred in the Bradford City game was asked about ...The club stated that they were unable to comment on many of the specifics that were asked about due to an ongoing investigation."

Perhaps those specifics can be re-visited and answers sought?

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Meeting with the club on 17:28 - Jul 19 with 2235 views442Dale

Sorry, didn’t see this thread had been added before posting in the other Trust thread.

Another valid question for their next monthly meeting.

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Meeting with the club on 17:31 - Jul 19 with 2217 viewsjudd

Meeting with the club on 17:28 - Jul 19 by 442Dale

Sorry, didn’t see this thread had been added before posting in the other Trust thread.

Another valid question for their next monthly meeting.


Equally sorry I didn't add to your valid points on the other thread.

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Meeting with the club on 17:38 - Jul 19 with 2188 views442Dale

Meeting with the club on 17:31 - Jul 19 by judd

Equally sorry I didn't add to your valid points on the other thread.


No worries! Maybe stick it in that thread too as it’s a now established route for the Trust to respond, as they have previously, plus it’ll make it easier for them to collate queries from supporters as we go through the season? It could be a very useful resource and save them valuable time.

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Meeting with the club on 17:40 - Jul 19 with 2182 viewsjudd

Meeting with the club on 17:38 - Jul 19 by 442Dale

No worries! Maybe stick it in that thread too as it’s a now established route for the Trust to respond, as they have previously, plus it’ll make it easier for them to collate queries from supporters as we go through the season? It could be a very useful resource and save them valuable time.


Done.

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Meeting with the club on 19:06 - Jul 19 with 2050 viewsShun

It’s all very polite in here.
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Meeting with the club on 19:11 - Jul 19 with 2027 views442Dale

Meeting with the club on 19:06 - Jul 19 by Shun

It’s all very polite in here.


All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
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Meeting with the club on 10:25 - Jul 20 with 1703 viewsColDale

The issues with the Bradford game are probably as high priority for the Trust as you can get. Similarly when we had issues with the Doncaster game earlier in the season, and also on a much lesser scale, the Bromley FA Cup game..

The details on the Bradford game were:

As is the case with all matches, the club had been in contact with Bradford City and Police Intelligence ahead of the game. Bradford had requested 1106 tickets for the game as they believed this would be sufficient for their travelling support, and the Police had indicated that they believed that there would not be any potential trouble makers making the trip, and as such the Police were not insistent on it being a “Police match”.

The resulting following from Bradford City was bigger than anticipated, down to a change at Boardroom level at Valley Parade and an upturn in form in preceding fixtures.

The problems inside the ground started at the second half with flares being thrown by Bradford fans and thrown back by Rochdale supporters. The problem with the flares results in the ease with which they can be concealed. They are smaller in size than you may imagine, and can be easily hidden in areas that can only be identifiable with full strip searches which obviously isn’t practical or legal.

Previous issues had been dealt with by a reallocation of seating by away supporters following the Doncaster game, but with Bradford taking up the full stand, it allowed for a repeat of flares being thrown by supporters. The club accept that the response of the stewarding to the incidents could have been improved upon.

Seven supporters contacted the club following this fixture via email with complaints. All seven have been contacted back via email, of which four have been spoken to. Two of those spoken to have been Bradford City supporters. A further meeting with a supporter who complained is planned for later this day.

The club are continuing to work with their counterparts at Bradford City with regards to a follow up to the issues, with our club working closely with regards to CCTV with Paula Watson who is the Operations Officer at Bradford City with further action expected in accordance with the authorities. She had previously been remarking at the friendliness and family atmosphere that she had encountered on the day up until that point and was horrified at what had gone on especially with her own supporters .

There was an amount of rubbish left to the right at the Pearl Street Stand, including a tyre that was thrown at visiting supporters. The club have ordered skips and this area should be cleared ahead of this Saturday’s game with Burton Albion.

A full review of our matchday operations will be taking place. There is always a great deal of preparation that takes place in advance of matches, with plans already in place for the Burton, Manchester City U21 and Fleetwood games.

At time of writing, there is only really the Sunderland home fixture which will see the Willbutts Lane Stand filled in the remainder of the season. This game despite being three months away is already being planned out with regards to matchday operations and ticketing with supporters from the North East expected to sell out their allocation.

and

The trouble that occurred in the Bradford City game was asked about and why the club were underprepared on the day for the Bradford City away support on the day. The club responded by stating that the Safety Advisory Group meets before every game as part of the intensive planning for each fixture. This group consists of the Police, Ambulance Service, Doctors, Rochdale Council and representatives from the opposition. The meeting covers all aspects of safety for each game and will recommend sufficient levels of stewarding for all games All the intelligence for this game suggested that there would be no more than 1,500 away supporters at best for this fixture, with advance ticket sales for the game being minimal. The club stated that they were unable to comment on many of the specifics that were asked about due to an ongoing investigation.


The follow ups on that were unable to be answered back in May due to everything still being in the hands of the solicitors. As we put in our meeting from Wednesday, that has all come to a close with it being deemed as no case to answer for the club.

We are still looking to attend a meeting of the safety advisory group which I think will be beneficial for everyone just to see the level of preparation that goes into each and every game. Everyone admits that the advice given to the club before the Bradford game was incorrect. You can argue whether the club should ignore advice given and just use their own, which given past Bradford away followings they probably should have. But if the Intelligence advice is to be ignored, then what's the point of having it?

Don;t know if this answers everything but if not, we've got a Forum coming up a week on Monday where further details can be sought.

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Meeting with the club on 13:02 - Jul 22 with 1267 viewsjudd

Meeting with the club on 10:25 - Jul 20 by ColDale

The issues with the Bradford game are probably as high priority for the Trust as you can get. Similarly when we had issues with the Doncaster game earlier in the season, and also on a much lesser scale, the Bromley FA Cup game..

The details on the Bradford game were:

As is the case with all matches, the club had been in contact with Bradford City and Police Intelligence ahead of the game. Bradford had requested 1106 tickets for the game as they believed this would be sufficient for their travelling support, and the Police had indicated that they believed that there would not be any potential trouble makers making the trip, and as such the Police were not insistent on it being a “Police match”.

The resulting following from Bradford City was bigger than anticipated, down to a change at Boardroom level at Valley Parade and an upturn in form in preceding fixtures.

The problems inside the ground started at the second half with flares being thrown by Bradford fans and thrown back by Rochdale supporters. The problem with the flares results in the ease with which they can be concealed. They are smaller in size than you may imagine, and can be easily hidden in areas that can only be identifiable with full strip searches which obviously isn’t practical or legal.

Previous issues had been dealt with by a reallocation of seating by away supporters following the Doncaster game, but with Bradford taking up the full stand, it allowed for a repeat of flares being thrown by supporters. The club accept that the response of the stewarding to the incidents could have been improved upon.

Seven supporters contacted the club following this fixture via email with complaints. All seven have been contacted back via email, of which four have been spoken to. Two of those spoken to have been Bradford City supporters. A further meeting with a supporter who complained is planned for later this day.

The club are continuing to work with their counterparts at Bradford City with regards to a follow up to the issues, with our club working closely with regards to CCTV with Paula Watson who is the Operations Officer at Bradford City with further action expected in accordance with the authorities. She had previously been remarking at the friendliness and family atmosphere that she had encountered on the day up until that point and was horrified at what had gone on especially with her own supporters .

There was an amount of rubbish left to the right at the Pearl Street Stand, including a tyre that was thrown at visiting supporters. The club have ordered skips and this area should be cleared ahead of this Saturday’s game with Burton Albion.

A full review of our matchday operations will be taking place. There is always a great deal of preparation that takes place in advance of matches, with plans already in place for the Burton, Manchester City U21 and Fleetwood games.

At time of writing, there is only really the Sunderland home fixture which will see the Willbutts Lane Stand filled in the remainder of the season. This game despite being three months away is already being planned out with regards to matchday operations and ticketing with supporters from the North East expected to sell out their allocation.

and

The trouble that occurred in the Bradford City game was asked about and why the club were underprepared on the day for the Bradford City away support on the day. The club responded by stating that the Safety Advisory Group meets before every game as part of the intensive planning for each fixture. This group consists of the Police, Ambulance Service, Doctors, Rochdale Council and representatives from the opposition. The meeting covers all aspects of safety for each game and will recommend sufficient levels of stewarding for all games All the intelligence for this game suggested that there would be no more than 1,500 away supporters at best for this fixture, with advance ticket sales for the game being minimal. The club stated that they were unable to comment on many of the specifics that were asked about due to an ongoing investigation.


The follow ups on that were unable to be answered back in May due to everything still being in the hands of the solicitors. As we put in our meeting from Wednesday, that has all come to a close with it being deemed as no case to answer for the club.

We are still looking to attend a meeting of the safety advisory group which I think will be beneficial for everyone just to see the level of preparation that goes into each and every game. Everyone admits that the advice given to the club before the Bradford game was incorrect. You can argue whether the club should ignore advice given and just use their own, which given past Bradford away followings they probably should have. But if the Intelligence advice is to be ignored, then what's the point of having it?

Don;t know if this answers everything but if not, we've got a Forum coming up a week on Monday where further details can be sought.

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The questions that could not be commented upon related to getting the police involved as the situation at the Bradford game worsened, and to the sanctions allegedly imposed by GMP on the Sunderland game.

The insultingly glib and disdainful "no case to answer" wants throwing in the skip along with those tyres.

Oh wait....

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Meeting with the club on 15:10 - Jul 22 with 1135 viewsnordenblue

Meeting with the club on 13:02 - Jul 22 by judd

The questions that could not be commented upon related to getting the police involved as the situation at the Bradford game worsened, and to the sanctions allegedly imposed by GMP on the Sunderland game.

The insultingly glib and disdainful "no case to answer" wants throwing in the skip along with those tyres.

Oh wait....


What's happened to the DBs diary,all about how hard he works,don't remember seeing that little treat for a while?
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