| Policing by consent 21:02 - Apr 2 with 1026 views | Saintsforeverj |
Just watched question time. Does anybody know why we say police by consent? Surely most people are arrested, do not consent to it? The police force people to move on, get in a police van etc. They might well ask them first, but if the offender says no, they use force, so how can we call it policing by consent? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:04]
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| Policing by consent on 21:11 - Apr 2 with 999 views | Happy_Jack |
Because otherwise you live in a Police state. What a f ucking stupid question. |  |
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| Policing by consent on 21:14 - Apr 2 with 994 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 21:11 - Apr 2 by Happy_Jack |
Because otherwise you live in a Police state. What a f ucking stupid question. |
But it's not by consent is it? The police force people to do things that they don't want to do? | |
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| Policing by consent on 21:17 - Apr 2 with 988 views | Happy_Jack |
| Policing by consent on 21:14 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
But it's not by consent is it? The police force people to do things that they don't want to do? |
Do you agree that the Police are necessary to uphold the law of the land? | |
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| Policing by consent on 21:19 - Apr 2 with 982 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 21:17 - Apr 2 by Happy_Jack |
Do you agree that the Police are necessary to uphold the law of the land? |
Yes. But in order to uphold it, they use force and rightly so. I'm saying why do we say its by consent when it's not. Most people don't consent to being arrested do they. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:19]
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| Policing by consent on 21:21 - Apr 2 with 969 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 21:20 - Apr 2 by Happy_Jack |
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Exactly. It's not by consent. | |
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| Policing by consent on 21:38 - Apr 2 with 938 views | pjt50 |
It's collective consent rather than individual consent. There's roughly one policeman/policewoman for every 500 people. If we all said tomorrow that we're not going to do social distancing, what could they do about it? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:41]
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| Policing by consent on 21:45 - Apr 2 with 910 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 21:38 - Apr 2 by pjt50 |
It's collective consent rather than individual consent. There's roughly one policeman/policewoman for every 500 people. If we all said tomorrow that we're not going to do social distancing, what could they do about it? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:41]
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They would use force / water cannon etc I guess. I understand that it is collective consent but the police sent a drone to watch a couple walking their dog. Was collective consent given for that? Thousands still cram onto the London tubes, no collective consent for that either. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:47]
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| Policing by consent on 21:53 - Apr 2 with 888 views | Bison |
| Policing by consent on 21:45 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
They would use force / water cannon etc I guess. I understand that it is collective consent but the police sent a drone to watch a couple walking their dog. Was collective consent given for that? Thousands still cram onto the London tubes, no collective consent for that either. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 21:47]
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Knock yourself out on this ...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-pol |  |
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| Policing by consent on 22:02 - Apr 2 with 864 views | Saintsforeverj |
Yep, thanks for this. It means the "consent of the public", not individual consent.
Apparently, the majority of the public consent to the death penalty.I don't by the way. But imagine if the majority of the public wanted it, would it be implemented? | |
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| Policing by consent on 22:18 - Apr 2 with 832 views | Bison |
| Policing by consent on 22:02 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
Yep, thanks for this. It means the "consent of the public", not individual consent.
Apparently, the majority of the public consent to the death penalty.I don't by the way. But imagine if the majority of the public wanted it, would it be implemented? |
I had to check as well after Question Time. As for death penalty ( I'm with you) I would say that's not policing but Punishment as the police have no influence on punishment that's the courts. A government could hold a referendum on that for instance but the police couldn't demand it. | |
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| Policing by consent on 22:34 - Apr 2 with 812 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 22:18 - Apr 2 by Bison |
I had to check as well after Question Time. As for death penalty ( I'm with you) I would say that's not policing but Punishment as the police have no influence on punishment that's the courts. A government could hold a referendum on that for instance but the police couldn't demand it. |
I think the point is, a lot happens without the collective consent of the public, so that's why I'm questioning it. Recent polls suggest that the majority would consent to legalise cannabis. But the police force people to not take it, against the public's concent. There are lots of examples to argue against the definition. So the concept of policing by consent is flawed I think. | |
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| Policing by consent on 22:47 - Apr 2 with 789 views | pjt50 |
| Policing by consent on 22:34 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
I think the point is, a lot happens without the collective consent of the public, so that's why I'm questioning it. Recent polls suggest that the majority would consent to legalise cannabis. But the police force people to not take it, against the public's concent. There are lots of examples to argue against the definition. So the concept of policing by consent is flawed I think. |
It comes down to the difference between "law" & "enforcement". A majority might think that the law is wrong, but fewer would think that - seeing it is the law - the police are wrong to enforce it. | |
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| Policing by consent on 22:50 - Apr 2 with 779 views | Mr_Happy |
It's quite simple really, those with a modicum of intelligence will follow the rules, some brain dead fuçkwits won't. |  |
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| Policing by consent on 23:10 - Apr 2 with 747 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 22:50 - Apr 2 by Mr_Happy |
It's quite simple really, those with a modicum of intelligence will follow the rules, some brain dead fuçkwits won't. |
Is a terminally ill cancer sufferer a f@ckwit for illegally taking cannabis to ease their pain? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 23:13]
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| Policing by consent on 23:15 - Apr 2 with 728 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Policing by consent on 23:10 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
Is a terminally ill cancer sufferer a f@ckwit for illegally taking cannabis to ease their pain? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 23:13]
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Yes, because they would be better off on morphine. |  |
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| Policing by consent on 23:18 - Apr 2 with 722 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 23:15 - Apr 2 by Occasional_Showers |
Yes, because they would be better off on morphine. |
Depends if you want to feel relaxed or be energised. | |
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| Policing by consent on 23:29 - Apr 2 with 713 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Policing by consent on 23:18 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
Depends if you want to feel relaxed or be energised. |
Are you a doctor?
Which one energizes as you put it?
Are you suggesting giving them a bucket of super skunk? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 23:33]
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| Policing by consent on 23:36 - Apr 2 with 694 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 23:29 - Apr 2 by Occasional_Showers |
Are you a doctor?
Which one energizes as you put it?
Are you suggesting giving them a bucket of super skunk? [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 23:33]
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I'm suggesting that the public wouldn't care if an ill patient in pain wanted cannabis for medical reasons. It should be legal to prescribe in my opinion as morphine is a lot more lethal or can be.
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| Policing by consent on 23:39 - Apr 2 with 683 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Policing by consent on 23:36 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
I'm suggesting that the public wouldn't care if an ill patient in pain wanted cannabis for medical reasons. It should be legal to prescribe in my opinion as morphine is a lot more lethal or can be.
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If you are a terminally ill cancer patient the side effects of long term morphine use aren’t an issue. | |
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| Policing by consent on 23:46 - Apr 2 with 669 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 23:39 - Apr 2 by Occasional_Showers |
If you are a terminally ill cancer patient the side effects of long term morphine use aren’t an issue. |
That's true but then there are those just in pain who are not terminal. In that case cannabis is the better option. | |
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| Policing by consent on 23:50 - Apr 2 with 660 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Policing by consent on 23:46 - Apr 2 by Saintsforeverj |
That's true but then there are those just in pain who are not terminal. In that case cannabis is the better option. |
What about the mental health issues of long term cannabis use? | |
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| Policing by consent on 00:05 - Apr 3 with 639 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Policing by consent on 23:50 - Apr 2 by Occasional_Showers |
What about the mental health issues of long term cannabis use? |
It's interesting because the evidence suggests that long term alcohol use is equal to or worse than cannabis use on mental health. One is illegal, the other is not. [Post edited 3 Apr 2020 0:07]
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| Policing by consent on 00:12 - Apr 3 with 621 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Policing by consent on 00:05 - Apr 3 by Saintsforeverj |
It's interesting because the evidence suggests that long term alcohol use is equal to or worse than cannabis use on mental health. One is illegal, the other is not. [Post edited 3 Apr 2020 0:07]
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It would depend on the strengths, quantities, and frequency. | |
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