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Current Covid Stats 16:47 - Aug 10 with 9673 viewsBoris_

There is currently 11 people in the whole of Southampton area in hospital with Covid, 2 in the Portsmouth NHS Trust and 2 in Winchester and Basingstoke hospitals.

No ICU patients in Winchester or Basingstoke hospitals.
No ICU patients in Portsmouth,
5 ICU covid patients in Southampton.

So across the whole of Hampshire, there is FIVE people severely ill with Covid ( none of them admitted in the last 2 weeks... they have been there a while )

There has been ONE Covid admission in to a Hampshire hospital since June.

Why don't the local press want to share the good news, instead of trying to make people feel guilty for going to the beach etc, where it clearly is perfectly safe to do so?

These stats are fantastic news. No doubt that the usual suspects on here will be quick to jump on and paint more doom and gloom.
[Post edited 10 Aug 2020 18:41]

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Current Covid Stats on 15:19 - Aug 11 with 1260 viewsgrumpy

Current Covid Stats on 14:23 - Aug 11 by Boris_

What part of 'now' don't you understand?


The bit where you put 'then' at the end of your sentence.
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Current Covid Stats on 15:21 - Aug 11 with 1253 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 15:19 - Aug 11 by grumpy

The bit where you put 'then' at the end of your sentence.


I think I'm fighting a losing battle to try and help you get rid of your obsessively and exclusively negative outlook on life pal. I'd give you a hug if I was there but I'm not sure what else I can do to help you get over this?

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Current Covid Stats on 16:28 - Aug 11 with 1201 viewsgrumpy

Current Covid Stats on 15:21 - Aug 11 by Boris_

I think I'm fighting a losing battle to try and help you get rid of your obsessively and exclusively negative outlook on life pal. I'd give you a hug if I was there but I'm not sure what else I can do to help you get over this?


I think you are fighting a losing battle,yes.
I am a positive guy just when I see you post it brings the worst out of me.
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Current Covid Stats on 17:35 - Aug 11 with 1175 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 15:14 - Aug 11 by DellHero

Solid, reasoned argument DI.

But the stuff about speeding lost me to be fair.


Fair enough. Top and bottom of it: you probably won't need it, but keep your seatbelt on for now.

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Current Covid Stats on 17:45 - Aug 11 with 1164 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 15:21 - Aug 11 by Boris_

I think I'm fighting a losing battle to try and help you get rid of your obsessively and exclusively negative outlook on life pal. I'd give you a hug if I was there but I'm not sure what else I can do to help you get over this?


Quick heads up Boris: your attempts to 'help' often come across as goading.

You are clearly a glass 9/10ths full type fella, and everyone likes a bit of enthusiasm and positivity. Nothing would get done without it.

But lots of stupid, sh!t stuff would get done if there weren't a few voices of caution in the mix too.

It's the mix of attitudes that get things done well - even if the enthusiastic and the cautious drive each other mad in the process.

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Current Covid Stats on 19:08 - Aug 11 with 1127 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 17:45 - Aug 11 by DorsetIan

Quick heads up Boris: your attempts to 'help' often come across as goading.

You are clearly a glass 9/10ths full type fella, and everyone likes a bit of enthusiasm and positivity. Nothing would get done without it.

But lots of stupid, sh!t stuff would get done if there weren't a few voices of caution in the mix too.

It's the mix of attitudes that get things done well - even if the enthusiastic and the cautious drive each other mad in the process.


I may be 9/10ths half full on subjects which are up for debate but the current rate of infection in Hampshire and Dorset isn't really up for debate, as it's using factual information.

The facts are there is very little infection in Hampshire and Dorset which shows that we are doing the right thing and we should feel positive about that.

Using the facts ( again ) that I posted above regarding the demographic of the cities most infected, it is very easy to see what issues need addressing and funnily enough, it's not people going to the beach.

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Current Covid Stats on 20:01 - Aug 11 with 1094 views1ASIN12

Another artical from the bbc last week

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852

This suggests that the nuber of positive results from tests has been flat on a 7 day average.

Maybe the argument regarding the number of positve cases being recorded is a direct result in the increase in the number of test being carried out.
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Current Covid Stats on 21:28 - Aug 11 with 1059 viewskernow

Current Covid Stats on 14:07 - Aug 11 by cocklebreath

Near Falmouth? Been last 2 years, great place


45 minutes on a good day. 90 minutes today.
Falmouth is a brilliant run ashore. Its where I first washed up on the tide almost a life time ago.
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Current Covid Stats on 22:43 - Aug 11 with 1036 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 19:08 - Aug 11 by Boris_

I may be 9/10ths half full on subjects which are up for debate but the current rate of infection in Hampshire and Dorset isn't really up for debate, as it's using factual information.

The facts are there is very little infection in Hampshire and Dorset which shows that we are doing the right thing and we should feel positive about that.

Using the facts ( again ) that I posted above regarding the demographic of the cities most infected, it is very easy to see what issues need addressing and funnily enough, it's not people going to the beach.


I saw that you were identifying a correlation between high Covid rates and areas with large Asian populations. But correlation doesn't equal cause and I am not sure that you suggested what issues needed addressing. The stuff I am hearing and reading suggests that there are different factors at play in different places, so while it might not be the beaches, I am not sure that there is any other slam dunk 'fact' at play. Or if there is, those responsible for managing the pandemic in those areas are already on it.

One things for sure, it'll be the behaviour of people rather than their ethnicity which will be relevant.

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Current Covid Stats on 00:06 - Aug 12 with 1011 viewsBison

Current Covid Stats on 22:43 - Aug 11 by DorsetIan

I saw that you were identifying a correlation between high Covid rates and areas with large Asian populations. But correlation doesn't equal cause and I am not sure that you suggested what issues needed addressing. The stuff I am hearing and reading suggests that there are different factors at play in different places, so while it might not be the beaches, I am not sure that there is any other slam dunk 'fact' at play. Or if there is, those responsible for managing the pandemic in those areas are already on it.

One things for sure, it'll be the behaviour of people rather than their ethnicity which will be relevant.


"One things for sure, it'll be the behaviour of people rather than their ethnicity which will be relevant."

Wrong on so many levels. Their ethnicity drives their behaviour. I went to India and met a work colleague , must of been 100 plus at what I thought was a dinner party. When they came to England and did the same there were 6 of us.

That is not racist , that is culture and ethnicity. Now if we are scientific about this which ethnic group is more likely to put the R rate up ? It's not a trick question.

Trust no one in a circus.
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Current Covid Stats on 06:10 - Aug 12 with 979 viewsSalisburySaint

Current Covid Stats on 22:43 - Aug 11 by DorsetIan

I saw that you were identifying a correlation between high Covid rates and areas with large Asian populations. But correlation doesn't equal cause and I am not sure that you suggested what issues needed addressing. The stuff I am hearing and reading suggests that there are different factors at play in different places, so while it might not be the beaches, I am not sure that there is any other slam dunk 'fact' at play. Or if there is, those responsible for managing the pandemic in those areas are already on it.

One things for sure, it'll be the behaviour of people rather than their ethnicity which will be relevant.


Fully agree

Too many happy to put blame on people due to ethnicity, when behaviour of under 30’s and working conditions for some e.g. abbatoirs, sweatshops in Leicester a significant factor too.
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Current Covid Stats on 06:47 - Aug 12 with 969 viewsDellHero

Metro newspaper reporting deaths (England and Wales) for last week of July:
193 C19
928 flu and pneumonia

Better make sure we keep our foot on the throat of the economy to minimise those F&P numbers. Grind your heel into that windpipe. Go on.

I am more than willing to lose my job and watch kids fail to get jobs in order to save those few hundred people. I can be happy knowing my pension payments have stopped but some geriatrics will live another year or two.

Maybe those losing their homes can be put up in the empty hospitals....

Whatever you do, make sure you stay safe and wear your mask. Pop a tin foil hat on as well, you can never be too safe.
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Current Covid Stats on 08:13 - Aug 12 with 941 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 22:43 - Aug 11 by DorsetIan

I saw that you were identifying a correlation between high Covid rates and areas with large Asian populations. But correlation doesn't equal cause and I am not sure that you suggested what issues needed addressing. The stuff I am hearing and reading suggests that there are different factors at play in different places, so while it might not be the beaches, I am not sure that there is any other slam dunk 'fact' at play. Or if there is, those responsible for managing the pandemic in those areas are already on it.

One things for sure, it'll be the behaviour of people rather than their ethnicity which will be relevant.


You were doing so well.

This is the issue we have. It's perfectly acceptable to label anyone who goes to the beach #Covidiots apparently yet it's not acceptable to highlight a clear and very obvious trend between the top 13 cities with the worst infection rate and their demographic.

Not sure how good your geography is but Luton is nowhere near Bradford and Bradford is more than 60 miles from Preston.

Asian people by culture live in large households with generations all living together, as well as socialising indoors with their extended families and friends far far more than traditional British culture. It's pretty obvious this makes it harder for them to follow social distancing guidelines.

The issue that needs addressing first is the government etc to have the balls to highlight this as an issue and appeal to the communities to respect social distancing etc just like people who go to the beach are made to feel selfish every time the sun comes out.

Given all of the above, do you think it's a coincidence that Greater Manchester have a lockdown that specifically bans people from meeting indoors in other households ( seen as high risk ), yet pubs and everything else are remaining open ( seen as low risk )? Do you also think it's just a coincidence that it was announced on the night before Eid?

It's not racist to highlight something which it pretty fookin obvious.

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Current Covid Stats on 09:45 - Aug 12 with 911 viewsDellHero

Current Covid Stats on 08:13 - Aug 12 by Boris_

You were doing so well.

This is the issue we have. It's perfectly acceptable to label anyone who goes to the beach #Covidiots apparently yet it's not acceptable to highlight a clear and very obvious trend between the top 13 cities with the worst infection rate and their demographic.

Not sure how good your geography is but Luton is nowhere near Bradford and Bradford is more than 60 miles from Preston.

Asian people by culture live in large households with generations all living together, as well as socialising indoors with their extended families and friends far far more than traditional British culture. It's pretty obvious this makes it harder for them to follow social distancing guidelines.

The issue that needs addressing first is the government etc to have the balls to highlight this as an issue and appeal to the communities to respect social distancing etc just like people who go to the beach are made to feel selfish every time the sun comes out.

Given all of the above, do you think it's a coincidence that Greater Manchester have a lockdown that specifically bans people from meeting indoors in other households ( seen as high risk ), yet pubs and everything else are remaining open ( seen as low risk )? Do you also think it's just a coincidence that it was announced on the night before Eid?

It's not racist to highlight something which it pretty fookin obvious.


Have to agree.
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Current Covid Stats on 09:47 - Aug 12 with 905 viewsJaySaint

gammon's and karen's were shamed for celebrating VE Daay
20-something young'uns are being shamed for going to bars/pubs
families are being shamed for going to the beach

yet, go on a protest for BLM and you get nothing but sympathy and support

(none of the above have produced the so-called 2nd spike)

We have all been had

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Current Covid Stats on 10:09 - Aug 12 with 888 viewsSadoldgit

Current Covid Stats on 09:47 - Aug 12 by JaySaint

gammon's and karen's were shamed for celebrating VE Daay
20-something young'uns are being shamed for going to bars/pubs
families are being shamed for going to the beach

yet, go on a protest for BLM and you get nothing but sympathy and support

(none of the above have produced the so-called 2nd spike)

We have all been had


Really? I must have imagined all of the posts I read slagging off people who marched in support of BLM.
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Current Covid Stats on 10:21 - Aug 12 with 882 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 08:13 - Aug 12 by Boris_

You were doing so well.

This is the issue we have. It's perfectly acceptable to label anyone who goes to the beach #Covidiots apparently yet it's not acceptable to highlight a clear and very obvious trend between the top 13 cities with the worst infection rate and their demographic.

Not sure how good your geography is but Luton is nowhere near Bradford and Bradford is more than 60 miles from Preston.

Asian people by culture live in large households with generations all living together, as well as socialising indoors with their extended families and friends far far more than traditional British culture. It's pretty obvious this makes it harder for them to follow social distancing guidelines.

The issue that needs addressing first is the government etc to have the balls to highlight this as an issue and appeal to the communities to respect social distancing etc just like people who go to the beach are made to feel selfish every time the sun comes out.

Given all of the above, do you think it's a coincidence that Greater Manchester have a lockdown that specifically bans people from meeting indoors in other households ( seen as high risk ), yet pubs and everything else are remaining open ( seen as low risk )? Do you also think it's just a coincidence that it was announced on the night before Eid?

It's not racist to highlight something which it pretty fookin obvious.


I didn't say it was racist but for me, as soon as people start generalising about race, ethnicity and social issues they are on a slippery slope.

Asians do this, muslims do that, blacks are like this, jews are like that. Count me out, thanks.

The behaviours of specific people in specific places can and should be discussed without fear. But this can be done without stereotypical generalisations which tar entire groups with the same brush.

When we treat each other as individuals most of us can rub along. Generalising about different groups is where most of the trouble starts.

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Current Covid Stats on 10:35 - Aug 12 with 874 viewsJaySaint

Current Covid Stats on 10:09 - Aug 12 by Sadoldgit

Really? I must have imagined all of the posts I read slagging off people who marched in support of BLM.


I'm in about the big media stations

You can't move for sky's undercover reporters shaming oubs, but not a peep for a protestor

Anyway, 5x as many people are dying from the flu and C19, according to the ONS

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Current Covid Stats on 11:00 - Aug 12 with 866 viewsgrumpy

Current Covid Stats on 10:35 - Aug 12 by JaySaint

I'm in about the big media stations

You can't move for sky's undercover reporters shaming oubs, but not a peep for a protestor

Anyway, 5x as many people are dying from the flu and C19, according to the ONS


Are you on the same Planet?
C19 is here now, its not going away anytime soon.
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Current Covid Stats on 11:01 - Aug 12 with 866 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 10:21 - Aug 12 by DorsetIan

I didn't say it was racist but for me, as soon as people start generalising about race, ethnicity and social issues they are on a slippery slope.

Asians do this, muslims do that, blacks are like this, jews are like that. Count me out, thanks.

The behaviours of specific people in specific places can and should be discussed without fear. But this can be done without stereotypical generalisations which tar entire groups with the same brush.

When we treat each other as individuals most of us can rub along. Generalising about different groups is where most of the trouble starts.


Asians do, do that though? It's a key part of their culture ( and a very honourable one at that under normal circumstances ) . Why are you scared to acknowledge it?

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Current Covid Stats on 11:28 - Aug 12 with 846 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 11:01 - Aug 12 by Boris_

Asians do, do that though? It's a key part of their culture ( and a very honourable one at that under normal circumstances ) . Why are you scared to acknowledge it?


Some Asians do, perhaps many. So do lots of other groups.

The point is NOT ALL Asians do, so you if you talk in terms of 'Asians do' that's a simplistic false generalisation.

Asians live like this..., blacks never..., jews are only interested in..., the Chinese are..., Tories are..., Leavers are...,

It's all the same, Boris. It's never helpful. It's not for me.

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Current Covid Stats on 11:38 - Aug 12 with 838 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 11:28 - Aug 12 by DorsetIan

Some Asians do, perhaps many. So do lots of other groups.

The point is NOT ALL Asians do, so you if you talk in terms of 'Asians do' that's a simplistic false generalisation.

Asians live like this..., blacks never..., jews are only interested in..., the Chinese are..., Tories are..., Leavers are...,

It's all the same, Boris. It's never helpful. It's not for me.


Well guess what Ian, the vast vast majority of Asians do ( and respect to them for it, it's a very good thing that we could do well to learn from )

In this instance though, it is very clearly contributing to the spread of the virus.

So just to clarify, we aren't allowed to highlight anything to do with any other culture, just incase it doesn't apply to 100% of them? You include 'white British' people in this as well I assume? So I won't be able to find any generalisations about a particular set of football fans in your history, or comments about people going to the beach, Brexit supporters, or England fans abroad etc etc

You are claiming you never generalise about a group of people? Are you absolutely certain of that?

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Current Covid Stats on 12:11 - Aug 12 with 813 viewsSadoldgit

If only the rest of the UK, and world for that matter, were like Hampshire and Dorset eh? The trouble is the virus isn’t going away. It is flaring up all over the place all of the time and there is no point in pretending that all is well. Also pointing the finger at certain ethnic groups might make certain people feel better, but they fail to realise that a pandemic can effect anyone, anywhere, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, religion, gender etc. The expectation is that, come winter, there will be a second wave and that it could be more lethal than the first. It will be a long time before we can start crowing about everything being ok, whichever county or country you live in.
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Current Covid Stats on 12:17 - Aug 12 with 810 viewsDorsetIan

Current Covid Stats on 11:38 - Aug 12 by Boris_

Well guess what Ian, the vast vast majority of Asians do ( and respect to them for it, it's a very good thing that we could do well to learn from )

In this instance though, it is very clearly contributing to the spread of the virus.

So just to clarify, we aren't allowed to highlight anything to do with any other culture, just incase it doesn't apply to 100% of them? You include 'white British' people in this as well I assume? So I won't be able to find any generalisations about a particular set of football fans in your history, or comments about people going to the beach, Brexit supporters, or England fans abroad etc etc

You are claiming you never generalise about a group of people? Are you absolutely certain of that?


I'm saying I TRY not to. There's an inbuilt tendency in all of us to do it because it's a way of simplifying complex issues and we all like to do that.

It's also not necessary to say 'Asians this...' or 'Blacks that...'. English is full of words and phrases like, some, all, most, many, the majority of, the vast majority of... all of which help to clarify what is being said so that it can be tested against some evidence.

And when you say Asians, what do you mean? Everything I am reading refers to South Asians and multi-generational households. It's a big old place Asian - who are you including: Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Koreans ??

And are you trying to blame Asians for living in mult-generational households? A lot of that is down to poverty and even if not, what are they meant to do, move out?

A lot of this Covid stuff is about blame. Beachgoers or Asians - it's all a bit too simple. I don't like it.
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Current Covid Stats on 12:29 - Aug 12 with 800 viewsBoris_

Current Covid Stats on 12:17 - Aug 12 by DorsetIan

I'm saying I TRY not to. There's an inbuilt tendency in all of us to do it because it's a way of simplifying complex issues and we all like to do that.

It's also not necessary to say 'Asians this...' or 'Blacks that...'. English is full of words and phrases like, some, all, most, many, the majority of, the vast majority of... all of which help to clarify what is being said so that it can be tested against some evidence.

And when you say Asians, what do you mean? Everything I am reading refers to South Asians and multi-generational households. It's a big old place Asian - who are you including: Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Koreans ??

And are you trying to blame Asians for living in mult-generational households? A lot of that is down to poverty and even if not, what are they meant to do, move out?

A lot of this Covid stuff is about blame. Beachgoers or Asians - it's all a bit too simple. I don't like it.
[Post edited 12 Aug 2020 12:20]


I had high hopes for you yesterday. Now you're literally saying we must ignore issues if they involve anyone who isn't white British and if we suspect that someone who isn't white British is involved, we need to ignore it because that would be racist.

You also appear to be incapable of looking at clear data and drawing a pretty obviously and crystal clear trend between them which highlights an area of concern when it comes to the spread of the virus.

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