| Still was the problem 22:00 - Nov 5 with 5320 views | Southamptonfan |
Not convincing but we are fragile, nervous, under pressure and not used to winning. We battled hard for the win, and scored two goals. As wins come, it will get less and less chaotic.
Robertson scored and this is a player that Will Still never played. Stephens was decent.
As I said, now Will Still has gone, he was terrible, things will.improve. [Post edited 5 Nov 22:01]
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| Still was the problem on 10:20 - Nov 9 with 991 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 18:05 - Nov 8 by Southamptonfan |
Oh look, what a surprise. We play top championship players like Azaz and Fellows from the start, bring back captain Jack and we win. The players also played for the shirt today. That's 2 wins in a row now that Still has gone. That dreadful.manager has gone, the players are now fighting for the shirt, the fans are back and what great game to watch today. A much happier Saints fan tonight, having known what was best. |
Nothing to do with playing 2 really sh1t sides in a row? It would have been interesting to have played Bristol City and Preston in these 2 games.
As for you saying that dropping JS had caused problems, JS himself has come out strongly and said and said he was fully behind the manager and agreed with the decision to drop him. "There were no issues between us. We had and still have a good relationship. People are more than entitled to their opinion, but I can categorically tell you 100 per cent that everyone in the dressing room was behind him." So either you are wrong or JS is a flat out liar.
Also, you kept saying that our problems were all because the manager was 32 and never played top level football. So, it's interesting that now we have a manager with even less experience you think everything is great.
Nevertheless, I admire your confidence that everything has just one reason and you know exactly what it is! | | | |
| Still was the problem on 14:02 - Nov 9 with 859 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 10:20 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
Nothing to do with playing 2 really sh1t sides in a row? It would have been interesting to have played Bristol City and Preston in these 2 games.
As for you saying that dropping JS had caused problems, JS himself has come out strongly and said and said he was fully behind the manager and agreed with the decision to drop him. "There were no issues between us. We had and still have a good relationship. People are more than entitled to their opinion, but I can categorically tell you 100 per cent that everyone in the dressing room was behind him." So either you are wrong or JS is a flat out liar.
Also, you kept saying that our problems were all because the manager was 32 and never played top level football. So, it's interesting that now we have a manager with even less experience you think everything is great.
Nevertheless, I admire your confidence that everything has just one reason and you know exactly what it is! |
Blackburn, Pompey, Swansea are also really sh!t sides, all 3 of them are below QPR in the table and Will Still managed no wins against any of of them with only one goal. Still couldnt beat sh!t sides or good.ones. That's why he was sacked.
Stephens was straight back.in the team after Still was sacked, which I am sure he would have been delighted with, and he was excellent. I cant imagine he would have been happy to have been dropped as captain, for no reason but if that makes sense to you, so be it. Azaz, Fellows, Downes all.playing in the team from the start has resulted in 5 goals, yes against "sh!t" teams but as I said, we played other sh!t teams without them and only managed one goal. Still lost the dressing room. Stephens isn't going to admit he tried to get the manager out is he, but nobody wants to be dropped and he wouldn't have liked.it.
This manager, I haven't said he is great at all, although he is a breath of fresh air, compared to Mr nervous, monotone, uncomfortable Still. Hopefully Eckert doesn't get the job full time as he is too inexperienced for that, but the two wins in a week, something Still only managed in 4 months, is decent, but the players were just happy their ex manager was gone and you could see that yesterday.
As I said, Still has gone as I predicted, we win two games in a week, the moment he was sacked, so happy days. We will now.improve and climb the table, assuming we get the manager decision right. So whatever you say, they sacked him right? So I am happy I got my wish and Saints have won two in a.row. Southampton was a much happier place than it was last Saturday, so glad that they did what I thought was right, sacking Still, bringing in Romeu as some experience, and the interim guy playing g our top players, who came in and scored goals. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:15]
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| Still was the problem on 14:58 - Nov 9 with 797 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 14:02 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Blackburn, Pompey, Swansea are also really sh!t sides, all 3 of them are below QPR in the table and Will Still managed no wins against any of of them with only one goal. Still couldnt beat sh!t sides or good.ones. That's why he was sacked.
Stephens was straight back.in the team after Still was sacked, which I am sure he would have been delighted with, and he was excellent. I cant imagine he would have been happy to have been dropped as captain, for no reason but if that makes sense to you, so be it. Azaz, Fellows, Downes all.playing in the team from the start has resulted in 5 goals, yes against "sh!t" teams but as I said, we played other sh!t teams without them and only managed one goal. Still lost the dressing room. Stephens isn't going to admit he tried to get the manager out is he, but nobody wants to be dropped and he wouldn't have liked.it.
This manager, I haven't said he is great at all, although he is a breath of fresh air, compared to Mr nervous, monotone, uncomfortable Still. Hopefully Eckert doesn't get the job full time as he is too inexperienced for that, but the two wins in a week, something Still only managed in 4 months, is decent, but the players were just happy their ex manager was gone and you could see that yesterday.
As I said, Still has gone as I predicted, we win two games in a week, the moment he was sacked, so happy days. We will now.improve and climb the table, assuming we get the manager decision right. So whatever you say, they sacked him right? So I am happy I got my wish and Saints have won two in a.row. Southampton was a much happier place than it was last Saturday, so glad that they did what I thought was right, sacking Still, bringing in Romeu as some experience, and the interim guy playing g our top players, who came in and scored goals. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:15]
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You kept saying the reason we were losing is because the manager was 32 and hadn't played top level. Well, now we've been winning with a manager who is 32 and hasn't played top level.
Meanwhile, the real reasons we've got results in the last 2 games are:
- any change helps when spirits need lifting and mindsets need changing
- we've played sh1t teams (Blackburn, Pompey and Swansea all played better than Sheff Weds. QPR dominated us for long periods but couldn't score)
- we've finished the chances we've created and not made so many individual errors
- we've got the lucky breaks which had previously been going against us
- the atmosphere has been positive and the fans aren't angry and groaning | | | |
| Still was the problem on 15:12 - Nov 9 with 776 views | DorsetIan |
| Still was the problem on 14:58 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
You kept saying the reason we were losing is because the manager was 32 and hadn't played top level. Well, now we've been winning with a manager who is 32 and hasn't played top level.
Meanwhile, the real reasons we've got results in the last 2 games are:
- any change helps when spirits need lifting and mindsets need changing
- we've played sh1t teams (Blackburn, Pompey and Swansea all played better than Sheff Weds. QPR dominated us for long periods but couldn't score)
- we've finished the chances we've created and not made so many individual errors
- we've got the lucky breaks which had previously been going against us
- the atmosphere has been positive and the fans aren't angry and groaning |
It wasn't just that he was 32.
He was also fantastically inexperienced - particularly in England.
But most importantly he seemed to lack the confidence and energy require to lead at this level.
I don't underestimate what a big thing it is for Tonda to have got two wins.
When we the last time we had any sort of new manager bounce.
If the choice is to stick with him for a few more games and see how he performs against potentially more difficult opponents or to let SR loose someone entirely new on a long term contract with their track record, the decision for me is very easy.
Really what have we got to lose giving Tonda the next three games? | |
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| Still was the problem on 15:16 - Nov 9 with 768 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 14:58 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
You kept saying the reason we were losing is because the manager was 32 and hadn't played top level. Well, now we've been winning with a manager who is 32 and hasn't played top level.
Meanwhile, the real reasons we've got results in the last 2 games are:
- any change helps when spirits need lifting and mindsets need changing
- we've played sh1t teams (Blackburn, Pompey and Swansea all played better than Sheff Weds. QPR dominated us for long periods but couldn't score)
- we've finished the chances we've created and not made so many individual errors
- we've got the lucky breaks which had previously been going against us
- the atmosphere has been positive and the fans aren't angry and groaning |
Still's inexperience was a big problem as a permanent manager, and Eckert shouldn't be appointed permanently because he is also too inexperienced. But he is fine on a temporary basis. The players won the last two games because they have been fighting more, and giving much better performances now Still has gone, probabaly through pure relief that the nighmare under Still is over, plus playing proven championship players. Still wasn't just inexperienced, he was nervous, boring, monotone, lacking in confidence and the players played like it on the pitch.
It's not lucky to start scoring now Azaz, Fellows, Downes, Steohens start games. Not playing players who cost us over 20 million, and who scored goals and got lots of assists last season in the same league, was stupid and that's why we didn't score. Call that inexperience, stupidity or both.
Nick summed it up in his match reviews first paragraph:
"Two wins in three months under Will Still has been followed by two win in three days, perhaps showing where our problems lay, again not a perfect performance, but the first one in 17 months where we didn't have to sweat in the final minutes, so it was job done." [Post edited 9 Nov 15:19]
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| Still was the problem on 15:43 - Nov 9 with 724 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 15:16 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Still's inexperience was a big problem as a permanent manager, and Eckert shouldn't be appointed permanently because he is also too inexperienced. But he is fine on a temporary basis. The players won the last two games because they have been fighting more, and giving much better performances now Still has gone, probabaly through pure relief that the nighmare under Still is over, plus playing proven championship players. Still wasn't just inexperienced, he was nervous, boring, monotone, lacking in confidence and the players played like it on the pitch.
It's not lucky to start scoring now Azaz, Fellows, Downes, Steohens start games. Not playing players who cost us over 20 million, and who scored goals and got lots of assists last season in the same league, was stupid and that's why we didn't score. Call that inexperience, stupidity or both.
Nick summed it up in his match reviews first paragraph:
"Two wins in three months under Will Still has been followed by two win in three days, perhaps showing where our problems lay, again not a perfect performance, but the first one in 17 months where we didn't have to sweat in the final minutes, so it was job done." [Post edited 9 Nov 15:19]
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Nick's matchday reports aren't exactly the gospel truth you know. I gave you the real reasons why we've won in my last comment and I didn't say it was all luck, but luck is one of the reasons. Look at Jander's goal yesterday for example. The defender kicks it against Jander and it goes in. That kind of stuff was happening at the other end in previous games. If we'd had that kind of bad luck or individual error in these 2 games then heads could easily have gone down again. Fortunately we weren't tested.
As for your list of players:
Azaz - was given lots of chances under WS and did nothing. Carried on doing nothing against QPR. Played ok yesterday against a sh1t team.
Fellows - didn't do enough to justify selection ahead of AA on the right when Archer was CF. Played wingback yesterday but can't defend, luckily he didn't need to much.
Downes - WS played him whenever he could.
Stephens - WS was right to drop him as JS has now said himself. If we are depending on JS starting games then we are truly fvcked. | | | |
| Still was the problem on 15:52 - Nov 9 with 704 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 15:43 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
Nick's matchday reports aren't exactly the gospel truth you know. I gave you the real reasons why we've won in my last comment and I didn't say it was all luck, but luck is one of the reasons. Look at Jander's goal yesterday for example. The defender kicks it against Jander and it goes in. That kind of stuff was happening at the other end in previous games. If we'd had that kind of bad luck or individual error in these 2 games then heads could easily have gone down again. Fortunately we weren't tested.
As for your list of players:
Azaz - was given lots of chances under WS and did nothing. Carried on doing nothing against QPR. Played ok yesterday against a sh1t team.
Fellows - didn't do enough to justify selection ahead of AA on the right when Archer was CF. Played wingback yesterday but can't defend, luckily he didn't need to much.
Downes - WS played him whenever he could.
Stephens - WS was right to drop him as JS has now said himself. If we are depending on JS starting games then we are truly fvcked. |
Well perhaps you could write a letter to the club, stating how we didn't beat Blackburn, Swansea and Pompey, because these sh!t teams "played better than QPR and Sheffield Wednesday" and that not playing Azaz, Fellows, Downes had nothing to do with it and the two wins in a row since Still has gone were just luck and flukes. Explain that although we will be paying Stephens for the next 3 years after being given a new contract, it was right to banish him to the reserves, despite scoring the winner against Wrexham and not doing anything wrong.
Stephens can say what he likes now the manager has gone. Nobody likes being dropped, especially the captain. You can't seriously think he liked being dropped and agreed with it, when he comes back in plays really well and the team wins!! Tell the club you think Still should be reinstated, that you miss him dearly, him being roundly booed by the St Mary's crowd was just an illusion and that 2 wins in 12 games was pure hard luck. I would.love to see their response.
I will continue to enjoy the relief that he has gone, and enjoy the wins now coming our way. He was sacked - happy days for me and everyone else who enjoys now seeing a winning team with players looking happier and scoring goals.
And Nick's reports are the gospel truth actually. Perhaps you could start arguing nonsense with him too? My apologies that Nick and I were both right that he would be sacked and should be sacked. Ultimately, we were right. He was sacked. If he ever gets another job, perhaps you could go.and support the team he goes to? Or.perhaps your biggest issue is that you can't stand it that I said he would be a failure in the summer, and I was right. I said he would be sacked and I was right. That's your issue isn't it. But that fact wont change. I said he would be a.disaster, he was and I said he would then be sacked. He was. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:24]
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| Still was the problem on 16:21 - Nov 9 with 654 views | saintwizzler |
| Still was the problem on 15:52 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Well perhaps you could write a letter to the club, stating how we didn't beat Blackburn, Swansea and Pompey, because these sh!t teams "played better than QPR and Sheffield Wednesday" and that not playing Azaz, Fellows, Downes had nothing to do with it and the two wins in a row since Still has gone were just luck and flukes. Explain that although we will be paying Stephens for the next 3 years after being given a new contract, it was right to banish him to the reserves, despite scoring the winner against Wrexham and not doing anything wrong.
Stephens can say what he likes now the manager has gone. Nobody likes being dropped, especially the captain. You can't seriously think he liked being dropped and agreed with it, when he comes back in plays really well and the team wins!! Tell the club you think Still should be reinstated, that you miss him dearly, him being roundly booed by the St Mary's crowd was just an illusion and that 2 wins in 12 games was pure hard luck. I would.love to see their response.
I will continue to enjoy the relief that he has gone, and enjoy the wins now coming our way. He was sacked - happy days for me and everyone else who enjoys now seeing a winning team with players looking happier and scoring goals.
And Nick's reports are the gospel truth actually. Perhaps you could start arguing nonsense with him too? My apologies that Nick and I were both right that he would be sacked and should be sacked. Ultimately, we were right. He was sacked. If he ever gets another job, perhaps you could go.and support the team he goes to? Or.perhaps your biggest issue is that you can't stand it that I said he would be a failure in the summer, and I was right. I said he would be sacked and I was right. That's your issue isn't it. But that fact wont change. I said he would be a.disaster, he was and I said he would then be sacked. He was. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:24]
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| Still was the problem on 16:22 - Nov 9 with 650 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 16:21 - Nov 9 by saintwizzler |
Did anyone really think Still would be a success?
Really!? |
Yeah, this ifonly guy thinks it was all bad luck, Stephens didn't mind being dropped and that not beating Blackburn, Pompey and Swansea was bad luck. | |
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| Still was the problem on 16:24 - Nov 9 with 638 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 15:52 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Well perhaps you could write a letter to the club, stating how we didn't beat Blackburn, Swansea and Pompey, because these sh!t teams "played better than QPR and Sheffield Wednesday" and that not playing Azaz, Fellows, Downes had nothing to do with it and the two wins in a row since Still has gone were just luck and flukes. Explain that although we will be paying Stephens for the next 3 years after being given a new contract, it was right to banish him to the reserves, despite scoring the winner against Wrexham and not doing anything wrong.
Stephens can say what he likes now the manager has gone. Nobody likes being dropped, especially the captain. You can't seriously think he liked being dropped and agreed with it, when he comes back in plays really well and the team wins!! Tell the club you think Still should be reinstated, that you miss him dearly, him being roundly booed by the St Mary's crowd was just an illusion and that 2 wins in 12 games was pure hard luck. I would.love to see their response.
I will continue to enjoy the relief that he has gone, and enjoy the wins now coming our way. He was sacked - happy days for me and everyone else who enjoys now seeing a winning team with players looking happier and scoring goals.
And Nick's reports are the gospel truth actually. Perhaps you could start arguing nonsense with him too? My apologies that Nick and I were both right that he would be sacked and should be sacked. Ultimately, we were right. He was sacked. If he ever gets another job, perhaps you could go.and support the team he goes to? Or.perhaps your biggest issue is that you can't stand it that I said he would be a failure in the summer, and I was right. I said he would be sacked and I was right. That's your issue isn't it. But that fact wont change. I said he would be a.disaster, he was and I said he would then be sacked. He was. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:24]
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What you said was that the reason we were losing was because the manager was 32 and hadn't played at the top level. If you were right then we would still be losing. | | | |
| Still was the problem on 16:27 - Nov 9 with 630 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 16:24 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
What you said was that the reason we were losing was because the manager was 32 and hadn't played at the top level. If you were right then we would still be losing. |
No we wouldn't because Eckert isnt the permanent manager is he. He just isnt Still. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:27]
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| Still was the problem on 16:31 - Nov 9 with 620 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Still was the problem on 15:43 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
Nick's matchday reports aren't exactly the gospel truth you know. I gave you the real reasons why we've won in my last comment and I didn't say it was all luck, but luck is one of the reasons. Look at Jander's goal yesterday for example. The defender kicks it against Jander and it goes in. That kind of stuff was happening at the other end in previous games. If we'd had that kind of bad luck or individual error in these 2 games then heads could easily have gone down again. Fortunately we weren't tested.
As for your list of players:
Azaz - was given lots of chances under WS and did nothing. Carried on doing nothing against QPR. Played ok yesterday against a sh1t team.
Fellows - didn't do enough to justify selection ahead of AA on the right when Archer was CF. Played wingback yesterday but can't defend, luckily he didn't need to much.
Downes - WS played him whenever he could.
Stephens - WS was right to drop him as JS has now said himself. If we are depending on JS starting games then we are truly fvcked. |
This is utter boll@x. Still was f@cking sh!t andI booed him like crazy at that Preston game. That's guy needed a rocket up his ass. | |
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| Still was the problem on 16:35 - Nov 9 with 605 views | Southamptonfan |
Still has gone and that's all that matters. Saints will improve now he's gone. Onwards and upwards. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:36]
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| Still was the problem on 16:40 - Nov 9 with 596 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 16:22 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Yeah, this ifonly guy thinks it was all bad luck, Stephens didn't mind being dropped and that not beating Blackburn, Pompey and Swansea was bad luck. |
Total nonsense again. I just told you it wasn't all down to luck.
What is utter bollux is that our bad form was all down to WS. It wasn't. There were many factors. He didn't do a great job but he is a scapegoat for the other issues.
The title of this thread "Still was the problem" is laughable. | | | |
| Still was the problem on 16:44 - Nov 9 with 584 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 16:40 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
Total nonsense again. I just told you it wasn't all down to luck.
What is utter bollux is that our bad form was all down to WS. It wasn't. There were many factors. He didn't do a great job but he is a scapegoat for the other issues.
The title of this thread "Still was the problem" is laughable. |
Yet he's been sacked to solve "the problem"? Nick said he was the problem, others saying your posts are "utter bolox"? They only person being laughed at is you. Has he been sacked? Ask yourself why.
Then write your letter to the club to say you want him back as some of it wasn't his fault. And please, please post their response. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:49]
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| Still was the problem on 16:49 - Nov 9 with 572 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 16:44 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Yet he's been sacked to solve "the problem"? Nick said he was the problem, others saying your posts are "utter bolox"? They only person being laughed at is you. Has he been sacked? Ask yourself why.
Then write your letter to the club to say you want him back as some of it wasn't his fault. And please, please post their response. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:49]
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So, your argument is that because 2 or 3 geniuses such as yourself (who doesn't even know the names of Saints players) have decided I'm wrong then I should agree? | | | |
| Still was the problem on 16:52 - Nov 9 with 563 views | Southamptonfan |
| Still was the problem on 16:49 - Nov 9 by Ifonly |
So, your argument is that because 2 or 3 geniuses such as yourself (who doesn't even know the names of Saints players) have decided I'm wrong then I should agree? |
Nope, you can post how great Will Still if you like. As Saints keep winning now he's gone 🥳
Or write your letter to say that despite huge protests, you want him back. Go ahead. But please post their response. I would.love to see it. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:53]
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| Still was the problem on 17:11 - Nov 9 with 532 views | Ifonly |
| Still was the problem on 16:52 - Nov 9 by Southamptonfan |
Nope, you can post how great Will Still if you like. As Saints keep winning now he's gone 🥳
Or write your letter to say that despite huge protests, you want him back. Go ahead. But please post their response. I would.love to see it. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:53]
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Once again that isn't what I said. You seem to have a problem with written comprehension. | | | |
| Still was the problem on 22:19 - Nov 9 with 395 views | sledger |
what eckert and the players are doing is buying time for the club to hopefully make the right appointment | | | |
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