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Actually feel a bit sorry for Tonda after that. That was like a hostage video. He IS being thrown to the wolves. I apologise, it was MY fault, I am responsible, etc. Bollux. If we are going down the 'young inexperienced foreign coach didn't know the rules in Blighty' road then that's fine. But he is just the manager. He is responsible for training, picking the starting lineup and in game management.
Anything else is in the remit of the Sporting Director and the Sporting Director is his boss and is ultimately responsible if a younger employee goes rogue and he is blissfully unaware of it. Tonda being able to do this with no one telling him no means that Spors and Parsons have had complete dereliction of their roles.
If the owner wants to give Tonda a second chance then fine, but those above him who should have stopped this before it happened really need to go.
"Playing Devil's Advocate since 15th January 2014"
Actually feel a bit sorry for Tonda after that. That was like a hostage video. He IS being thrown to the wolves. I apologise, it was MY fault, I am responsible, etc. Bollux. If we are going down the 'young inexperienced foreign coach didn't know the rules in Blighty' road then that's fine. But he is just the manager. He is responsible for training, picking the starting lineup and in game management.
Anything else is in the remit of the Sporting Director and the Sporting Director is his boss and is ultimately responsible if a younger employee goes rogue and he is blissfully unaware of it. Tonda being able to do this with no one telling him no means that Spors and Parsons have had complete dereliction of their roles.
If the owner wants to give Tonda a second chance then fine, but those above him who should have stopped this before it happened really need to go.
I feel that the next steps will see changes ABOVE Tonda’s level, let’s wait and see.
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Tonda Statement here on 10:37 - Jun 2 with 2763 views
Actually feel a bit sorry for Tonda after that. That was like a hostage video. He IS being thrown to the wolves. I apologise, it was MY fault, I am responsible, etc. Bollux. If we are going down the 'young inexperienced foreign coach didn't know the rules in Blighty' road then that's fine. But he is just the manager. He is responsible for training, picking the starting lineup and in game management.
Anything else is in the remit of the Sporting Director and the Sporting Director is his boss and is ultimately responsible if a younger employee goes rogue and he is blissfully unaware of it. Tonda being able to do this with no one telling him no means that Spors and Parsons have had complete dereliction of their roles.
If the owner wants to give Tonda a second chance then fine, but those above him who should have stopped this before it happened really need to go.
This would not be the first workplace where middle members of staff do not like to say 'no' to the boss. And where those same people justify instructions to those below them on the basis of 'the boss wants it'.
I can readily believe that noone else in the Club was bothering themselves with how the coaching and analysis teams were doing their jobs.
Actually feel a bit sorry for Tonda after that. That was like a hostage video. He IS being thrown to the wolves. I apologise, it was MY fault, I am responsible, etc. Bollux. If we are going down the 'young inexperienced foreign coach didn't know the rules in Blighty' road then that's fine. But he is just the manager. He is responsible for training, picking the starting lineup and in game management.
Anything else is in the remit of the Sporting Director and the Sporting Director is his boss and is ultimately responsible if a younger employee goes rogue and he is blissfully unaware of it. Tonda being able to do this with no one telling him no means that Spors and Parsons have had complete dereliction of their roles.
If the owner wants to give Tonda a second chance then fine, but those above him who should have stopped this before it happened really need to go.
At times like this we need to stick together, not call for our Director of football to go. Spors is the catalysis for our recent success, he recruited brilliantly and was responsible for hiring Tonda, and you want him out? But then you always have been Mr. Negative on this board.
Don’t want to beat the guy up but having watched it twice I’m still not clear what he’s saying. When he says about the rules that he “should have known them” (04:32), does he mean that he wasn’t aware of the rule, or he was aware of it but deliberately broke it?
Don’t want to beat the guy up but having watched it twice I’m still not clear what he’s saying. When he says about the rules that he “should have known them” (04:32), does he mean that he wasn’t aware of the rule, or he was aware of it but deliberately broke it?
He says that he should have known the rules, which suggests clearly to me that he was not aware of this rule. Nowhere do I deduce that he knew the rules and chose to break them.
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Tonda Statement here on 11:57 - Jun 2 with 2510 views
He says that he should have known the rules, which suggests clearly to me that he was not aware of this rule. Nowhere do I deduce that he knew the rules and chose to break them.
If that was the case I’m surprised the club didn’t make even more of it – young, inexperienced, mostly worked in other countries…
It was clear from the Arbitration Panel report that the club was aware that what they were doing wasn’t above board, so I still find it difficult to imagine that Eckert didn’t know.
I'm annoyed that it took so long for them to come out and say sorry (sorry statements aren't good enough for me).
I'm annoyed that they keep talking about "not knowing the rules" when they obviously did, just check the Eastleigh story when they spied on Ipswich. Why dress someone up if you didn't think it was wrong etc?
However, if the majority of the players have forgiven him and are definitely staying then that is a huge positive and was the biggest hurdle.
But... we still don't know the outcome of the FA investigation so am surprised they haven't just waited longer to see if Tonda will be banned or not. I guess it points in the direction that they pretty much know he won't be banned now? Otherwise, this wouldn't make sense to release this video as well as Dragan's where he also supports Tonda.
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Tonda Statement here on 13:00 - Jun 2 with 2338 views
That's enough for me. Meets my 3 requirements for him to stay. 1) Has the support of the dressing room 2) Has apologised and explained himself fully (not sure I completely buy into the "i didn't know the rules" bit though) 3) The club have offered Will Salt job security and are going to look after him. (Hopefully that's not just Tea Boy). If they are going to send him out looking at other teams, for his own good they need to get him better disguises and ensure he does his analysis 72 hours + from the game.
That's enough for me. Meets my 3 requirements for him to stay. 1) Has the support of the dressing room 2) Has apologised and explained himself fully (not sure I completely buy into the "i didn't know the rules" bit though) 3) The club have offered Will Salt job security and are going to look after him. (Hopefully that's not just Tea Boy). If they are going to send him out looking at other teams, for his own good they need to get him better disguises and ensure he does his analysis 72 hours + from the game.
But unless I missed it he never actually said “I didn’t know the rules”. For the sake of transparency it would have been better if he had (if true).
What he said was “I should have known them”. That can either mean he should have known them and he did, or he should have known them and he didn’t...
As usual the media has hyped this up as much as possible . In some ways it reminds of Covid, if you were against the jab then you were against society. Not the same I know but the feeling is there. We’ve payed our price, now it’s time to move on. If our owner (who is the biggest loser in all this) comes out with support. Then we can do the same, knowing we have a manager who has a point to prove to everyone. As rare and unprecedented this is, it could be to our advantage next season.
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Tonda Statement here on 17:33 - Jun 2 with 1790 views
Tonda Statement here on 17:33 - Jun 2 by yateleysaint
Whatever happened with Saints I always felt we had the moral high ground.
That’s no longer the case.
The moral high ground is showing forgiveness and moving on.
He is a young man, he made a mistake, he apologised and asked for forgiveness, we accept his apology and forgive him we move on, we don't keep raising it, its in the past, tomorrow is a new day. A fresh start. Saints forever.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Tonda Statement here on 19:40 - Jun 2 with 1560 views
Tonda Statement here on 17:33 - Jun 2 by yateleysaint
Whatever happened with Saints I always felt we had the moral high ground.
That’s no longer the case.
Out of interest who do you think has the moral high ground in football? I'd say nobody because players of every club cheat in every match. Until attempts are made to eliminate this by the FA, the EFL and the clubs themselves what we are seeing and hearing is mass hypocracy. There is zero integrity in football therefore no moral high ground to stand on or high horses to sit on.
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