| Henry Nowak 19:53 - Jun 2 with 8054 views | Southamptonfan |
All kicking off in Southampton tonight. The arrest footage is absolutely appalling. The male officer in particular was dreadful. Stabbed and was totally ignored, believing that he had been racist.
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| Henry Nowak on 22:53 - Jun 2 with 4560 views | 1885_SFC |
This is what happens when you have two tier policing in the country.
RIP the poor lad. Let down by Hampshire Constabulary who were following the exact same procedures as South Yorkshire Police. |  |
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| Henry Nowak on 23:43 - Jun 2 with 4460 views | Chesham_Saint |
The whole thing is immensely sad and I am very moved by the family. Criticising the police is fine but attacking them physically is ridiculous. |  |
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| Henry Nowak on 05:28 - Jun 3 with 4315 views | yateleysaint |
Rupert Lowe would have been “put to death” by a government led by me.
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| Henry Nowak on 08:10 - Jun 3 with 4126 views | solent_toffee |
| Henry Nowak on 23:43 - Jun 2 by Chesham_Saint |
The whole thing is immensely sad and I am very moved by the family. Criticising the police is fine but attacking them physically is ridiculous. |
The bodycam coverage is heartbreaking and shameful for the police officers involved, such utter incompetence and they should be dealt with appropriately.
However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting.
The fact that Henry Novak’s dad spoke with such dignity the other day asking for people not to react and then hearing his poor son’s name being chanted by the mob as they threw bricks at the police is gut wrenching. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 08:30 - Jun 3 with 4093 views | jopreston |
| Henry Nowak on 08:10 - Jun 3 by solent_toffee |
The bodycam coverage is heartbreaking and shameful for the police officers involved, such utter incompetence and they should be dealt with appropriately.
However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting.
The fact that Henry Novak’s dad spoke with such dignity the other day asking for people not to react and then hearing his poor son’s name being chanted by the mob as they threw bricks at the police is gut wrenching. |
"However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting. "
Faux outrage? Really? You don't think perhaps they are genuinely outraged? Can I ask, did you say the same when BLM had everyone on their knees for George Flloyd? Was that also Faux outrage? |  | | |
| Henry Nowak on 08:46 - Jun 3 with 4068 views | yateleysaint |
| Henry Nowak on 08:30 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
"However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting. "
Faux outrage? Really? You don't think perhaps they are genuinely outraged? Can I ask, did you say the same when BLM had everyone on their knees for George Flloyd? Was that also Faux outrage? |
I could be wrong but I don’t think the cops killed anyone in this case. The poor sod was already done for. That doesn’t excuse the cops but the murderer pulled the wool over their eyes. Sikhs have had their turbans knocked off by racists so it was a plausible defence at the time. The cops got the guy who did it. They couldn’t see the internal bleeding either. It’s a tragedy by there’s only one person to blame for it and he happens to be Sikh.
I’d be more concerned about the depths that the Far Right will stoop to in order to make political capital.
Was Jimmy Savile brown or black? Was Peter Sutcliffe? Was Dr Crippen? Was Jack the Ripper? Nutters and sickos come in all colours.
This must be the first time in history the Far Right has taken to defending a student. Or are they only in favour of white British ones? That sounds a lot like racism to me. I don’t have beef with any Sikhs (apart from the forementioned psycho) but I do have a problem with British Nazis grasping at straws and whipping up thickos who can’t tell they’re being played.
I’m just wondering what the likes of Yaxley-Lennon, Farage and Lowe have got in mind for a Reichstag fire. Elon Musk can GTF too. Southampton has a proud history of kicking the shit out of out of town Nazis and I’d like to see that continue if at all possible. [Post edited 3 Jun 8:47]
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| Henry Nowak on 08:56 - Jun 3 with 4038 views | Heisenberg |
| Henry Nowak on 08:30 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
"However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting. "
Faux outrage? Really? You don't think perhaps they are genuinely outraged? Can I ask, did you say the same when BLM had everyone on their knees for George Flloyd? Was that also Faux outrage? |
Listening to the Father was heart breaking. He and his family should be supported in their moment of grief and going forward the focus must be on holding the police to account, and establishing a proper and fully independent body to oversee police investigations and look at the wider culture within the organisation.
Farage, Badenoch are trying to score political points. They have ignored the families pleas and the fact that they are potential leaders of this country is frightening. |  |
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| Henry Nowak on 08:59 - Jun 3 with 4033 views | jopreston |
| Henry Nowak on 08:46 - Jun 3 by yateleysaint |
I could be wrong but I don’t think the cops killed anyone in this case. The poor sod was already done for. That doesn’t excuse the cops but the murderer pulled the wool over their eyes. Sikhs have had their turbans knocked off by racists so it was a plausible defence at the time. The cops got the guy who did it. They couldn’t see the internal bleeding either. It’s a tragedy by there’s only one person to blame for it and he happens to be Sikh.
I’d be more concerned about the depths that the Far Right will stoop to in order to make political capital.
Was Jimmy Savile brown or black? Was Peter Sutcliffe? Was Dr Crippen? Was Jack the Ripper? Nutters and sickos come in all colours.
This must be the first time in history the Far Right has taken to defending a student. Or are they only in favour of white British ones? That sounds a lot like racism to me. I don’t have beef with any Sikhs (apart from the forementioned psycho) but I do have a problem with British Nazis grasping at straws and whipping up thickos who can’t tell they’re being played.
I’m just wondering what the likes of Yaxley-Lennon, Farage and Lowe have got in mind for a Reichstag fire. Elon Musk can GTF too. Southampton has a proud history of kicking the shit out of out of town Nazis and I’d like to see that continue if at all possible. [Post edited 3 Jun 8:47]
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Good god. Where to start. The fact is the LEFT poiliticised and racialised the Flloyd Police issue. But I saw no one accusing them of the same. Why is it people lash out at the right wing so much for doing the exact same thing? It is just incredible. The facts are this man was cuffed and left to die because of police rules. It has been proven. Go and look it up. UK police rules about having to take into account the persons ethnicity etc. They were more interested in arresting him for accused racism than saving his life. In many ways it is worse than the George Flloyd affair. To say people are showing Faux outrage is just disgusting and belittles how people really feel.
They are not point scoring, they are making totally valid statements that need to be heard. Things in the police need to be changed, even they have now admitted this.
BLM made millions ,,, was that stooping to make political capital? Jeez. [Post edited 3 Jun 9:02]
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| Henry Nowak on 09:02 - Jun 3 with 4025 views | solent_toffee |
| Henry Nowak on 08:30 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
"However the opportunistic grifters like Yaxley Lennon and Fox with their faux outrage coming to our stirring up an angry (although footage showed many seemingly enjoying themselves as the filmed themselves throwing bricks and acting the coont) is predictable and disgusting. "
Faux outrage? Really? You don't think perhaps they are genuinely outraged? Can I ask, did you say the same when BLM had everyone on their knees for George Flloyd? Was that also Faux outrage? |
Do I think Laurence Fox is genuinely outraged? No I don’t, I don’t think he gives two fkks about the young lad or his family. He is using this as an opportunity to get back on his hate bandwagon. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 09:03 - Jun 3 with 4003 views | jopreston |
| Henry Nowak on 09:02 - Jun 3 by solent_toffee |
Do I think Laurence Fox is genuinely outraged? No I don’t, I don’t think he gives two fkks about the young lad or his family. He is using this as an opportunity to get back on his hate bandwagon. |
Just like the entire BLM movement, which was a hate bandwagon. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 09:08 - Jun 3 with 3983 views | Heisenberg |
| Henry Nowak on 09:03 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
Just like the entire BLM movement, which was a hate bandwagon. |
Hang on. So BLM was a hate band wagon ? But Farage using this case to say there is an anti white bias is valid ? I think we all know where you are coming from. | |
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| Henry Nowak on 09:11 - Jun 3 with 3979 views | jopreston |
| Henry Nowak on 09:08 - Jun 3 by Heisenberg |
Hang on. So BLM was a hate band wagon ? But Farage using this case to say there is an anti white bias is valid ? I think we all know where you are coming from. |
Nope, you totally misread. It is you and others saying BLM was great and warranted and that it was not faux outrage, but Farage and co are. Its called sarcasm. I will say no more about it as it is clear you and some others on this forum are woke and so far left that u will refuse to accept people are saying the right things here for the right reason, not showing faux outrage, How utterly disgusting. [Post edited 3 Jun 9:12]
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| Henry Nowak on 09:19 - Jun 3 with 3946 views | jopreston |
| Henry Nowak on 09:02 - Jun 3 by solent_toffee |
Do I think Laurence Fox is genuinely outraged? No I don’t, I don’t think he gives two fkks about the young lad or his family. He is using this as an opportunity to get back on his hate bandwagon. |
So, because of your hatred of Fox, you refuse to accept that he might actually be upset and outraged. Ironic really, as you are using your political bias to make something out of it based on a hatred, just the same as you are accusing Fox of doing. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 09:25 - Jun 3 with 3935 views | solent_toffee |
| Henry Nowak on 09:19 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
So, because of your hatred of Fox, you refuse to accept that he might actually be upset and outraged. Ironic really, as you are using your political bias to make something out of it based on a hatred, just the same as you are accusing Fox of doing. |
I don’t hate Fox at all, I’m merely observing that he is an opportunist who is completing ignoring the wishes of the lad’s father to peddle his own agenda. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 10:45 - Jun 3 with 3814 views | SouthSeaSaint |
I have a relative who works in the Police force and some of the stories I have been told in the course of their duties underlines the daily challenges and dangers those in uniform face.
It is not just the police but the Fire Brigade, NHS staff as well.
Taking a detached view of the circumstances relating to the stabbing in St Denys it is understandable that there is a sense of outrage.
That said the police attending the scene would have been influenced by the murderer and his brother and would not have immediately been aware of the stabbing.
There have always been challenges being a police officer but these have ramped up in recent years. It is no wonder that many young people joining the force only last a short while and recruitment is a major problem.
It is right and proper that there should be an investigation into the events surrounding the stabbing but the involvement of a known football thug, a failed actor and worst of all a US billionaire stirring up anti police hate does not help the situation at all. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 12:17 - Jun 3 with 3674 views | saintmark1976 |
| Henry Nowak on 08:46 - Jun 3 by yateleysaint |
I could be wrong but I don’t think the cops killed anyone in this case. The poor sod was already done for. That doesn’t excuse the cops but the murderer pulled the wool over their eyes. Sikhs have had their turbans knocked off by racists so it was a plausible defence at the time. The cops got the guy who did it. They couldn’t see the internal bleeding either. It’s a tragedy by there’s only one person to blame for it and he happens to be Sikh.
I’d be more concerned about the depths that the Far Right will stoop to in order to make political capital.
Was Jimmy Savile brown or black? Was Peter Sutcliffe? Was Dr Crippen? Was Jack the Ripper? Nutters and sickos come in all colours.
This must be the first time in history the Far Right has taken to defending a student. Or are they only in favour of white British ones? That sounds a lot like racism to me. I don’t have beef with any Sikhs (apart from the forementioned psycho) but I do have a problem with British Nazis grasping at straws and whipping up thickos who can’t tell they’re being played.
I’m just wondering what the likes of Yaxley-Lennon, Farage and Lowe have got in mind for a Reichstag fire. Elon Musk can GTF too. Southampton has a proud history of kicking the shit out of out of town Nazis and I’d like to see that continue if at all possible. [Post edited 3 Jun 8:47]
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Irrespective of the difference of opinion between those holding left and right views what amazes me is what I read in The Guardian concerning the role of the I O P C.
According to the article it suggests that the police referred themselves to the Independent Office of Police Complaints who found that the police had no case to answer and no further action was required.
Really ? When the poor guy repeatedly says that he has been stabbed and the officer says I don’t think you have been, apparently without making any effort to establish if a stabbing had actually occurred. [Post edited 3 Jun 12:33]
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| Henry Nowak on 12:53 - Jun 3 with 3626 views | franniesTache |
I think the murder was vile, the family covering it up was vile, the police reaction and actions appalling and i think all involved should be held accountable to the strongest punishments available.
I also find utterly and completely disgusting that a bunch of racist arseholes came into our city to cause trouble and act like bellends.
What i really don't understand is that from the photo's it looks like these people came in from central station and walked to portswood, why the hell the police didn't pick them up there and put them back on trains outside of the city i have no idea.
Because these people do not represent our city and don't belong here. |  | | |
| Henry Nowak on 12:54 - Jun 3 with 3626 views | UTS1885 |
The police video footage of the hadncuffing is unreal.
Must of been a good two thousand protesters outside the police station last night and all was fine.
As for the portswood stuff, there looked to me a young late teenage element of a dozen or so, some wearing masks throwing stuff in belmont road. Theere was a little Police charge around that into st denys road. That got people annoyed and then some idiots starting throwing stuff from there on. I would say the majority of people left within the hour and those left were youtubers, onlookers , some protesters and random handful of troublmakers throwing stuff. No idea why the Police allowed the group to walk from town to Portswood. [Post edited 3 Jun 12:56]
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| Henry Nowak on 14:06 - Jun 3 with 3526 views | wibbersda |
| Henry Nowak on 09:11 - Jun 3 by jopreston |
Nope, you totally misread. It is you and others saying BLM was great and warranted and that it was not faux outrage, but Farage and co are. Its called sarcasm. I will say no more about it as it is clear you and some others on this forum are woke and so far left that u will refuse to accept people are saying the right things here for the right reason, not showing faux outrage, How utterly disgusting. [Post edited 3 Jun 9:12]
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Anyone who utters the phrase "woke" is a brainwashed right wing moron, and does not even know what the word actually means. So all the fascist on here please hit the down arrow and maybe take a look at yourself as to why you are all so full of hate. | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 15:34 - Jun 3 with 3432 views | Ninja9 |
| Henry Nowak on 14:06 - Jun 3 by wibbersda |
Anyone who utters the phrase "woke" is a brainwashed right wing moron, and does not even know what the word actually means. So all the fascist on here please hit the down arrow and maybe take a look at yourself as to why you are all so full of hate. |
No we are not fascist mush , thats the leftie view of anyone who disagrees with them . You are Woke but you cant see it . | | | |
| Henry Nowak on 15:52 - Jun 3 with 3412 views | Heisenberg |
| Henry Nowak on 15:34 - Jun 3 by Ninja9 |
No we are not fascist mush , thats the leftie view of anyone who disagrees with them . You are Woke but you cant see it . |
Seeing everything as left or right limits your already narrow view. This isn’t about left or right it’s about common decency respecting the wishes of a grieving family and not using the tragedy to stir up issues. | |
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| Henry Nowak on 16:15 - Jun 3 with 3390 views | franniesTache |
| Henry Nowak on 15:34 - Jun 3 by Ninja9 |
No we are not fascist mush , thats the leftie view of anyone who disagrees with them . You are Woke but you cant see it . |
the best description of fascism is from Umberto Eco, an italian who lived in italy under Mussolini and was at one point a supporter before becoming loudly and actively against it.
Those rules are
1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
Given Fascism itself has no key text or document like other political views - wealth of nations for capitalism for example, or the communist party manifesto for communism - this is the closest we have to a true definition of what it is.
In my view people like Tommy Robinson tick the vast majority if not all of those so it is entirely fair to call him a Fascist (though his previous membership of the BNP also should be a fairly big giveaway) [Post edited 3 Jun 16:17]
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| Henry Nowak on 17:04 - Jun 3 with 3320 views | deanosfc8 |
| Henry Nowak on 16:15 - Jun 3 by franniesTache |
the best description of fascism is from Umberto Eco, an italian who lived in italy under Mussolini and was at one point a supporter before becoming loudly and actively against it.
Those rules are
1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
Given Fascism itself has no key text or document like other political views - wealth of nations for capitalism for example, or the communist party manifesto for communism - this is the closest we have to a true definition of what it is.
In my view people like Tommy Robinson tick the vast majority if not all of those so it is entirely fair to call him a Fascist (though his previous membership of the BNP also should be a fairly big giveaway) [Post edited 3 Jun 16:17]
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Blimmy! I guess you were on one knee when you copied and paste that transcript!
I got bored after no 1..
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| Henry Nowak on 17:04 - Jun 3 with 3320 views | Southamptonfan |
My take on this is that firstly is was a horrible piece of footage to watch, very distressing and very sad.
But the incident does bring to the forefront some thoughts and implications. Most sensible people know that there are good and bad, in all communities, all colours, all faiths etc. But when a Sikh man said he had been racially abused, did that officer subconsciously think that the Sikh killer couldn't possibly have been lying, white men racially abuse non-white people. There's no way it could have been the other way?
And this demonstrates the problem and hence fuelling the far right. Taking the knee (for black people only), Equality rights (which talks about protecting the black person, the gay person etc). But what about when the white person is attacked by one of the protected people? Everyone is under the same law, but that officer believed the killer. Why was the killer believed so categorically that he had been racially abused? It's because the narrative is that is the way round it always happens, that's why we had black lives matters etc. But the truth is that it's NOT always that way round. So ALL lives matter then don't they?
The people who don't like the far right are fuelling them, by forcing messages that are not necessarily true. The black lives matter campaign, made so many people think that it's always white people treating black people badly (or Muslims or whoever), it's never the other way round, and therefore that officer completely believed the Sikh man. This is why campaigns for one group or another are not particularly helpful because the message should be in my opinion: We ALL matter. We are ALL under the law. [Post edited 3 Jun 17:14]
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| Henry Nowak on 17:22 - Jun 3 with 3243 views | Ron11 |
| Henry Nowak on 14:06 - Jun 3 by wibbersda |
Anyone who utters the phrase "woke" is a brainwashed right wing moron, and does not even know what the word actually means. So all the fascist on here please hit the down arrow and maybe take a look at yourself as to why you are all so full of hate. |
Maybe you can let us know why islamists are so full of hate for any other but their own in this country, and why if they could they would crush us all if we didn't convert, and why the left wing judiciary and government are turning a blind eye to it.
You fu cking snowflakes make me want to puke. | | | |
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