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Now Spygate Has Calmed Down Where Do Tonda Eckert And Southampton Stand
Tuesday, 26th May 2026 09:50

The last couple of weeks has seen a media frenzy against Southampton FC & its manager Tonda Eckert, now the play off position has been sorted, where does that leave the situation overall.

There have been a lot of things said in the past fortnight and quite a lot of it has been either downright lies or shock media clickbait.

After the last 10 days or so it is starting to die down and parts of the media are already turning to the way Southampton were treated and the case rushed through with indecent haste with the EFL breaking it's own rules to force through a verdict.

A verdict delivered by a panel that clearly had members on it with connections to Middlesbrough therefore suggesting a conflict of interest.

This will come out in the wash in the next few days and the threat of legal action may be flying around, not just from Middlesbrough or Southampton but also aimed at the Independent Panel & the EFL itself.

Indeed add Hull to that mix and none of the five parties involved in Spygate come out of it smelling of roses.

The first question is whether Tonda Eckert can remain as Southampton manager, my own personal opinion is that he should, if football was squeaky clean then my opinion might be different, but it isn't and if Eckert is manager of Southampton next season, then he will not be the biggest alleged cheat in the Championship or indeed football in general.

I think Saints need to stand by their man and weather the storm, let's be blunt we have spent the last two weeks and since the verdict stating that on the grand scale of things our offence was of a low scale and with little to gain when compared to some of the other issues in football, not least the 115 charges outstanding against Manchester City, so how can we now change tack and now say it is a serious offence.

In truth if you ask me what was the biggest example of cheating in the play offs and had the biggest chance of influencing the result, then I would say that the cynical way that Cyle Larin was continually held by the shirt in the first leg up at the Riverside, we had one accusation of spying on them, there were at least a dozen cynical fouls on Larin, just as many on Leo Scienza, so I find it very hypocritical that Boro ignore this.

Sadly this is now football where the dark arts are seen as legitimate way of trying to win a game rather than cheating.

Stick with Tonda and move forward.

Secondly I am a little disappointed with the hysterical and hypocritical reaction by some Southampton supporters, whilst I defend their right to have an opinion and I respect that, it sticks a little in my throat.

just under two weeks ago I was in St Mary's with 30,000 other Saints supporters who taunted Middlesbrough throughout with chants about Spying where we want and making binocular motions etc.

Now some of our fans have got a conscience, they were happy enough when they thought we would just get a fine, but once that the verdict was given they did a complete turnaround.

Some of the claims of the end of Southampton FC etc by our own supporters are ludicrous, Leeds United were not finished as a club back in 2019, Marcelo Bielsa was not sacked, they just developed a siege mentality, all stuck firmly behind the club and the following season they were promoted.

The Leeds Spygate frenzy soon went away and was forgotten by most up until now, some will rally back at me and say that it is under different rules, that may be but the offence is still the same whatever you call the charge.

However there is rumours that the FA might intervene and ban Tonda Eckert etc, but that is far from clear cut, the issue here is that the offence of spying is not an FA offence, it is an EFL law.

The Premier League does not have that rule and it is legal for club's in that League to spy on their opponents, so the issue for the FA is two tier justice, how can they sanction a club or individual based not on the offence but purely on the competition that it takes place in.

I am no legal expert, but we have been tried and found guilty under EFL rules, so how can we be tried again and sanctioned for an offence that if committed by a Premier League manager would be completely legal.


The time is for Southampton supporters to rally around the club, that is not to say that questions should not be asked and answers given, but the club needs time to look into what was going wrong before making brash statements that may not be correct.

We need to circle the wagons and get on with things.

The next question is whether the players will all sue us and leave, that is ludicrous, these are professional footballers and they know that in sport there are many things that cost you victory and therefore money, you cannot sue against something that happens, especially when there was no guarantee that we would beat Hull City if we had played them at Wembley.

So I do not see legal action being taken or succeeding, but it is inevitable that some players will leave, but we have to remember that even if we had gone up that might have been the case.

In essence I think we have maybe 4 players who could improve their situation, by going to a club where they could earn more money and play at a higher level, as for the rest, most are on good contracts at Championship level and are not going to get better elsewhere.

As a player are you really going to demand a move to say Blackburn Rovers where they will pay you less and your chances of bonus's are less, just as a matter of principle ?

I think we all know the answer on that one, but still there are those Saints fans who claim we will have no squad next season.

Last summer we recruited well and by January the core of the squad had been at the club less than 2 -3 years, we can recruit well again and might well have a big chunk in the bank from those who will leave including Arron Ramsdale.

The time now is to stick behind Southampton Football Club, I understand that there will be those that cannot do that and will not renew season tickets etc, that will of course harm the club and make it more difficult financially, but if that is your conscience then stick by it, you won't hear me complain, that is unless you change your mind this time next year if we are back in the play offs lol.

Football is full of rule breakers, I am making no excuses for Southampton's indiscretions, I am angry that they happened and the way they happened, however everyone has to ask themselves whether their anger is more about the fact that we were caught and the sentence, rather than what happened.

So I stand behind Southampton FC & Tonda Eckert, cheating is rife in football, whether it is shirt pulling, throwing yourself to the floor clutching your head when someone brushes past you, spying on training or the real big boy stuff as the likes of Chelsea & Manchester City have allegedly done.

This is perhaps the nature of sport as a whole when we take the doping allegations in Athletics & the Tour De France and other sports, if we all held the moral high ground, then we could never watch professional sport.

So it's not a decision I take lightly, but if I want to support Saints I have to handle the fact that we have cheated, in the knowledge that we are not the worst offenders in a sport that is not recognisable from the game I first started watching as a kid, not even the same game as in the 1990's, 00's or even a decade ago.

I would actually love to walk away after this, but sadly it is not in my DNA to do so, I have loyally supported this club by attending matches for nearly 55 years, I have supported them through the good times of which I hoped the weekend just gone would have been one of them.

If I can't support them when they truly need that support then in my mind I have no right to support them at all.

I appreciate that is not the way that everyone thinks and we have to make our own minds up.

As in previous catastrophes, there will be many who think as i do and rally around and also just as many who choose not to go, that is fine, but for those that are Southampton through thick & thin, then now is the time to start the fightback.

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StAnt added 10:07 - May 26
Sensible, well thought out article.
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dirk_doone added 10:08 - May 26
Excellent article, Nick. The Middlesbrough bias in the EFL Board and "Independent" Commission looks more corrupt than anything Southampton have done.
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dirk_doone added 10:17 - May 26
It has even been suggested that the person on the "Independent" Commission who first proposed that Southampton should be expelled form the play-off final, thus enabling Middlesbrough to take their place, had once played for Middlesbrough! That certainly needs looking into.
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SanMarco added 10:19 - May 26
Thanks Nick - there's been a lot of anger flying around over the past couple of weeks and you were unfairly subjected to some of it.

I agree with most of what you say but the stand-out bombshell is that you are a member of Team Keep Tonda!! Is that really feasible given all that his behaviour has brought down on the club?

I was interested to read the info on the FA's powers - everything I've heard in recent days is a horror story suggesting they can do virtually what they like with us!!

Now the dust has settled we need to direct our remaining anger productively. Yes Gibbon is a winker and the EFL are a joke but unless something constructive can be done on that front we need to look at our club. Not in a masochistic, we deserved it all way, but looking at the club's response to 'Spygate' from day one:

I sincerely believe that with an intelligent, proactive response that battled for control of the narrative from the start we WOULD have been at Wembley on Saturday. Expulsion was in no way inevitable but others made it inevitable and we seemed to be helpless before it. The question of whether we deserved what we got is, in a sense, no longer relevant, it's gone. Instead why it all happened, both the spying and 'spygate' need to be addressed - NOW.
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telsmart added 10:20 - May 26
How can the so called crime be a crime 72 hours prior to a match and not a crime 73 hours before a match ??? The EFL Rule is absolutely ridiculous !!!
We should definitely keep TE and JS if at all possible.
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telsmart added 10:25 - May 26
Interesting article by Sir Nicholas Mostyn KC in Newsnow Southampton FC
Definitely worth a read although very long and detailed. Really gives one hope.
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UgandaSaint added 10:28 - May 26
Thanks Nick, great read. Who do the people who want Eckert sacked think we will get to replace him, given our dreadful list of recent managers? Get Nathan Jones back, for instance? Eckert is by far the best manager Sports Republic have found, his substitutions have changed many a game in our favour.
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telsmart added 10:37 - May 26
SAINTS FC NEED TO COME OUT FIGHTING NOW.
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Southamptonfan added 11:04 - May 26
Southampton FOREVER.

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PaghamSaint added 11:09 - May 26
Just joined the merry thong and first ever post. I am very much in the keep Tonda team. The punishment received by the club and the rhetoric prior to, during and after the hearing was not warranted for the so called offence (it was not a crime) committed. Are those calling for Tonda to go also going to voice similar opinions if one of our players gets aways with a simulated offence on the pitch such as "diving" for a penalty or making out that they have been assaulted by an opponent that results in a red card, of course they are not, but the issues are similar, they all try to improve the chances of winning, however on the pitch it only results in a yellow card unless you do it another time in the match, but again it's only a second yellow, and not a straight red. Matches used to won and lost (or drawn) on the pitch, now they can also be won by having a very good PR team to go over the top in regards to a minor offence along with a person who is prepared to threaten the authority that governs it all with further litigation should the hearing result go their way. The club may have things taken out of their hands over Tonda and others in the club, but as far as I can see, and perhaps others may be able to enlighten me, the EFL is the only place that has this 72 hour rule in place and even then there is no tariff within that ruling should it be breached. Questions have been raised in many quarters over the persons on the original hearing board and the links, all be it tentative, to Middlesborough FC. This area needs to be escalated as much as possible by the club, as someone on Sky a few days back said, they must have had to look hard to find someone from all the lawyers out there that had some form of link, no matter how historical or pertinent to Middlesborough FC to sit on that hearing, time to hire a very good PR team ourselves and go after this issue to put doubt out there as to offence warranting the penalties given. Also other threads have thrown up the data protection issues when using payment data to obtain personal details in relation to the analyst sent to Middlesborough FC training ground. That also needs to be investigated by the payment card company to see if there are any data protection principle offences for any individuals involved. What other potential data protection issues may have also occurred during the production of so called evidence prior to the hearing, such as naming the "spy" and releasing the image into the public domain before the hearing. As Telsmart has eluded, "We need to come out fighting now". A number of Saints fans have highlighted issues that don't seem to add up, like you have too Nick. Let us see if our Teams Lawyers and the like can do it. I've looked at my calendar and it is clear that yesterday I was a Saints Supporter, Today I am a Saints Supporter, and tomorrow onwards I will be a Saints Supporter.
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blubberboy added 11:09 - May 26
I agree with a lot of this, Nick. The punishment handed out was harsh and badly thought out, and in a few weeks a lot of this will all be old news anyway. However, I'm afraid I can't see how Tonda can possibly remain in charge. Sport, like life, IS basically unfair and you can handle that in one of two ways: you can double down, complain about things, carry on as if nothing has happened and make yourself the 'nasty' club that everyone hates. Or you can be the bigger person, suck up the punishment and demonstrate that you're doing something to fix things. If an MP forgets to declare something on their tax return they might know that everyone else has done the same thing but they still apologise and resign rather than bring their party into disrepute. When a rugby union player is carded for a high tackle he might know that the referee was influenced by play-acting and an over-the-top crowd reaction but he still shakes the other players hand and accepts his punishment. Saints will come back from this (we always do) but I hope we can do it in the right way, and much as I will hate to lose his coaching skills Tonda has to take the blame here and walk.
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ronniedavies added 11:15 - May 26
Rebuilding SFC....now is as good a time as any to ditch the now infamous tree from our club badge after Spygate, and replace with the other two tudor roses (as seen across the city) and start afresh going into the new season and regain some sort of respectable identity within our club

The tree I'm guessing represents the nearby New Forest which has absolutely nothing to do with the football club and will now become a symbol for ridicule by all opposing fans from now on, I have addressed Phil Parsons & Greg Baker at executive level to get this changed from our Clubs Crest before the start of the season and replaced with something more appropriate about the City going forward.
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bartley41 added 11:34 - May 26
According to last weeks "Sunday Times" Spying is part and Parcel of the game in Germany.
In life we all make mistakes, perhaps a Parking offence or speeding, the important is to learn from them, yes I was gutted at what has happened.
However Tonda has been good at his job and very nearly took the Club to Wembley twice in one Season..
I just hope he stays and everyone, the Management, Players and real Fans get behind him.

Next Season with Tonda still here will be very rewarding, this time next year..
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CARDIFFSAINT added 11:38 - May 26
Absolutely no way do we change our badge, that badge has served us fir many many years and it should remain for many many years from now; the best football club badge by a country mile and we love it!
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underweststand added 12:12 - May 26
here are several issues to be addressed here.
1. will Tonda get away with a fine / ban or get his fingers smacked over his role in the event.
2. assuming point 1 is positive...will the players be happy to continue their 20 match unbeaten run into next season with him as manager, or must we seek another name.
3. Of course some eventually players will leave, but if the dressing room is happy, then the fans should be - despite the split in comments seen on-line so far. Some will inevitably go o about it forever and a day, but a settled squad is the most important factor.
4. once the dust has settled the club should make clear statements, and see everyone pull together before the pre-season period.
5. A new manager?..will inevitably sack all the wrong players and change the proven win-formation that worked so well during Tonda's time, but please don't bring Will Still back.
What are we all worried about, what on Earth could go wrong ??
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PaleRider added 12:12 - May 26
A few points at random:

1) Southampton FC have played this very badly - something I put down to the CEO, who seems to have been in charge of the response to the EFL process. I'm afraid he has to go, as he appears to have been totally out of his depth;
2) The biggest "victims" in the whole sorry saga appear to have been the players and the supporters of Southampton. As a result, it is clear that the punishment is completely disproportionate to the offence and has effectively punished the innocent;
3) I think that the EFL need to be investigated for a number of issues:
a) their seeming close association with Middlesborough. It would be perfectly reasonable to investigate any correspondence, official or unofficial, between Middlesborough, the EFL and the so called "independent" panel on the grounds that fraud may have been perpetrated;
b) their role in allowing Southampton to sell tickets for the play off final. As I understand it, Southampton and Hull were in effect acting as agents on behalf of the EFL. As such giving Southampton the green light to go ahead and sell tickets for an event that was in significant doubt is also, in my opinion, worthy of investigation for fraud;
c) Due to points a & b above, I would suspect that those who were mis-sold tickets to the final and incurring travel costs, which they cannot reclaim, could well have a case for instituting a class action law suit against the EFL for mis-selling;
3) Personally, I'm in the keep Tonda camp. I don't care what other supporters think of Saints and I can't believe that other clubs don't commit similar misdemeanours and I don't want to be anyone's "second" team. I really value the hard edge that he has brought to Saints and our success since he came is not down to spying but excellent motivation of players and coaching.
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1teeminants added 12:20 - May 26
spot on Nick. Like you i have followed them for 55 years and times like this you stand your ground and keep supporting through thick and thin, good or bad times. Cheating although wrong is everywhere in todays game. Boro were continually time wasting at our place and as you say Larin was man handled constantly.

There is cheating everywhere players diving for penalties ,players betting on results of matches, clubs breaking financial fair play rules, clubs stealing from cancer charites and looking at others training sessions has been going on for a while but saints got caught . In Germany and other countries its the norm and people just brush it off

I would like to hear from Tonda though, i guess he's been advised to say nothing until this FA report has gone through.
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Kingsland34 added 12:45 - May 26
For me this is not fundamentally about cheating and punishment and what others have done. It majors on the fact that our totally unnecessary and alien actions have undermined the whole ethos of the club and destroyed trust, let alone snuffing out a very worthy team and promotion push. We have tarnished ourselves and a reset is needed.
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WestSussexSaint added 13:00 - May 26
I’m not going to comment again on the harshness of the sanction or the bias of the independent panel. There will no doubt be further light shed on this in due course.

The article focuses on the future of Tonda as manger and so my thoughts are as follows:-

1) the detailed judgement report was damming for Tonda Eckert. Not only was he central to the actual spying offence but the treatment of and pressure put on young interns suggests a person so driven by results that he has lost some perspective on how to work with others. You can get away with such behaviour in the short term if results are positive but ultimately it will unravel as relationships sour.

2) the FA investigation may take Tonda’s future out of the clubs hands. Any lengthy ban (there is precedent for a year) will mean Saints having to recruit a new first team manager. The big question with this is the timetable the FA are working to. Will it be a few days or drag on for weeks/months. If the latter the club need to decide what to do in the meantime.

3) what is the reaction of the players?. The team clearly performed under Tonda but will they (the ones still here) do so again next season given the perception he has cost them the opportunity of promotion. Just because they don’t sue doesn’t mean that the motivation to fight will remain.

4) what is the reaction of commercial partners? Like it or not sponsors have a significant impact on decisions made. The club brand is as low as it can be at the moment. If enough of them decide that Tonda remaining manager is the driver to terminating the deal with the club, can the club afford this loss of revenue.

5) what about the fans? We can quote views for or against on social media but the one element of influence we have over the club is whether we renew season tickets. The renewal period must due to be opened soon so if early renewals are sluggish does this also influence the club to act?

I expect it will be a combination of all of the above that will determine his fate. Whichever way the club go I hope it is decided quickly and definitively.
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ItchenNorth added 13:14 - May 26
For me, what matters is what the players think of it all. Can they, do they want to work with Tonda or have they lost trust in him. If they back the manager, it might convince a majority, such as the likes of Scienza, who's in his first season with us, to stick with it, believing we can go on another big run for the automatics again.

Fan's are split on it. I'm in the camp that if Tonda made a genuine mistake and is gracious enough to address this with the fans directly, in a video to us, I'm the type of person who thinks we should give people second chances.
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stmichael added 13:19 - May 26
Agree with a lot of this Nick.
My only contribution is to wonder what the players think of Tonda because if they have lost their respect for him then he probably needs to go.
If they saw him last week and rallied round him then it’s a different story.
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highfield49 added 13:32 - May 26
The sad thing is that so many incidents in this country are driven by media narratives. Click bait is far more important than facts or balanced reporting.
Middlesbrough seized the narrative by escalating the incident through media channels. I defer to call these people journalists because I'm not sure that many of them have any useful contribution to make.
Of course, once the easily influenced think that they have obtained the facts they are happy to join the baying pack. I think we're all expecting chants of "cheats" next season, and beyond, unless another club falls foul of rough justice and gets similarly vilified by the horde.
As for Tonda and his coaching group I was on the side of the argument that he (they) should be replaced. Providing Tonda is able to deal with the increased pressure then my altered view is that he should stay in the job and the club and supporters, vocally, fight back against the mob.
Provided nobody at the club is banned from participation in football we should pick up the pieces and not be bullied by the media. I'm thinking that the first significant change should be to employ someone with top class PR ability who can drown out the noise.
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Bowlercow added 13:32 - May 26
I was very angry when this happened,I was even angrier when we were expelled and my anger grew again when I learnt the Borough connection to members of the"independant" committee
Had the rules about selecting a jury been applied to that committee 2 of them would not have got in In this country justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done He should be aware of that more than most

My original reaction was to get rid of Tonda and all who were aware of the offence
Having calmed down and thought and rethought it many times I now believe that we should keep Tonda and back him to the hilt He owes us and will probably double his efforts to get us promoted
Spors must do everything to keep the squad together Emphasis the "ban of brothers"aspect and the massive support they would get

It is a distinct possibility that the FA will ban or suspend Tonda If so our legal team should fight all the way to the ECHR
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geoffsaint added 14:25 - May 26
Follow a simple logical string. 1. Is Tonda a good manager ? Undoubtedly yes. 2. Was the punishment over blown ? Yes 3 if we’d got off with a fine would we sack him ? I doubt it ? Likely we’d be prepping now for the pl. conclusion we’d sack him because the EFL made a weird sanction. That would be hypocritical of us to sack him. I think personally he’s a great talent.
Time to turn in and have 100% focus on going up. Everyone who draws a salary from the club should make it a collective mission
Collective responsibility starts at the top also, the error being that a young manager needs some cool guidance . I’m sure his drive just got out of hand. If we destroy the organisation now it would be wrecking something of real promise. If I were a player I’d want to pull together.
Ive worked on big construction projects. When something went wrong , we pulled together and learned from it. But no finger pointing . Let he without sin cast the first stone …etc ..
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Saintjonah68 added 14:50 - May 26
What utter garbage. Sack the cheating **** immediately and every analyst and member of staff involved. If that goes to the top then so be it. He humiliated the club the fans and the players. Who cares whether Football is clean or dirt, our own club should have integrity and at the moment we have Zero. Sack them all and start clean.
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