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Now That The Dust Is Settled Lets Have Some Transparency
Friday, 29th May 2026 09:48 by MattFinish

Ugly Inside message board regular MattFinish has written a fine article in which although he is not accusing anyone of bias or wrongdoing, that a lack of transparency is starting to bring up some awkward questions for the EFL that need answering.

We all know what Saints did was wrong but as clarified by virtually everyone in the game with half a brain and everyone outside of Portsmouth and Middlesbrough, Saints punishment was so disproportionately severe and the way that Middlesbrough were reinstated in the competition having been knocked out over two legs raises a lot of questions that I feel still need answering.

Firstly, Saints were reported for spying by Middlesbrough. The EFL had regulations in place specifically Regulation 3.4, which imposes a general duty of good faith and Regulation 127 which prohibits observation of training sessions.

The only similar case in the EFL was that of Leeds United who were caught spying on a Derby training session mid way through the 2018/19 season. Leeds admitted to and were found guilty of spying on every team’s training sessions up to that point, i.e. on 26 other teams. Saints were found guilty of spying on 3 teams. All Leeds got as punishment was a £200k fine, no points deductions and no staff bans. They were not kicked out of the FA Cup which they competed in after being found guilty and they were allowed to play in the playoff semi finals at the end of the season.

This judgement on Leeds set a precedent for future spying transgressions. The EFL put a specific regulation in place (Reg 127) but that came under the umbrella of Regulation 3.4, which already existed.

In legal terms setting a precedent means a court has made a legal decision that establishes a new principle or rule. This decision acts as an authoritative model or guideline for judges to follow in all future cases that involve similar facts or legal issues.

When our punishment was given the EFL claimed that this was a new rule but in fact Regulation 3.4 existed then and exists now, regulation 127 just details spying which was already covered under Reg 3.4 or how else did the EFL charge Leeds?

To make matters worse the EFL had a rule in place which covered spying on training sessions and other breaches but then decided to add specific mention of observing other teams training sessions (Reg 127). But then they confused the matter by making it acceptable to spy on other teams training sessions up to 72 hours before a game. This completely contradicts regulation 3.4. So in effect the EFL had a rule in place to punish any form of spying and then brought in a new rule which partially allowed it. In addition in the seven years since the EFL brought in regulation 127 they have failed to clarify what the penalty would be for breaking this regulation.

So having been accused of spying an Independent Disciplinary Commission found us guilty and decided to expel Saints from the Playoffs and deduct them 4 points next season, thus allowing Middlesbrough who had already been knocked out of the competition to be reinstated. I've read through the EFL regulations and I can't find anywhere that allows for a team to be reinstated from a knockout competition after they been eliminated.

Similarly, there is a rule in the EFL regulations which states that “the Proposed Respondents shall have two options: 86.4.1 to accept the Proposed Sanction within 14 days of receipt; or 86.4.2 to reject the Proposed Sanction, in which case the matter shall be referred to the Disciplinary Commission in accordance with this Section 8. In the event that no response is received within 14 days the matter shall be referred to the Disciplinary Commission for determination in the manner set out in this Section 8.”

I have read through the EFL Regulations and can’t find anywhere that states that the EFL can foreshorten the 14 day period that Saints should have been allowed to make a response. If the EFL had stuck to their regulations and allowed Saints 14 days to respond they would have had no option but to allow Southampton to play Hull in the final which would have meant that Middlesbrough would have been out.

According to the written reasons of the Independent Disciplinary Commission who expelled Saints, the independent panel consisted of three solicitors, two of whom have links to Middlesbrough football club however tenuous they may be. One was employed by a firm that have represented Middlesbrough on at least two occasions and one who played football for them. I know following a previous post that I made, the two people in question claim they were accused of bias and maintained they were not acting with bias to Middlesbrough. That may well be the case but there's no way of proving that one way or the other. I want to make it crystal clear that at no point did I accuse anyone of bias I just pointed out the links and asked for transparency.

Out of 176,000 practising solicitors in the UK the EFL chose to appoint two to sit on the Independent Disciplinary Commission who had links to Middlesbrough, whereas they managed to find 2 solicitors with no links to Southampton.

In addition I pointed out that Neil Bausor the CEO of Middlesbrough Football Club sits on the board of the EFL which surely, whether as he says he stepped back from this situation, opens up the question of impartiality. The EFL board is a relatively small group of people who I'm sure get on well together and meet fairly regularly. As such I'm sure that Neil Bauser is friends with people on the board. Personally I'd be surprised if he wasn't but that's just my opinion.

The other thing that has not been made public by the EFL is, who sat on the panel of the independent arbitration panel who dismissed Saints appeal? Surely for reasons of transparency, we should be told who these independent people were.

In my opinion, it appeared to me and many others that there was a push from within the EFL for Middlesbrough to progress through to the playoff final. The match between Saints and Middlesbrough was allowed to take place and I feel that the EFL were hoping that Middlesbrough would beat Saints and the problem would be solved. However when Southampton won, the EFL made the decision to expel them from the competition. At that point the final should have been awarded to Hull City but that would have robbed the EFL of their very lucrative final. Personally and I know a lot of other people not just Saints fans think this stinks.

The biggest monetary fine in English football was when Chelsea were fined £10.75 million for serious financial transgressions over a period spanning 8 years. This enabled them to buy top quality players who gave them an actual advantage on the pitch every game of the season for eight years, enabling them in that period to win 3 Premier League titles; 3 FA cups; 2 Champions League titles; 2 Europa League titles; 1 UEFA Conference league title; 1 UEFA Super cup title and 2 FIFA world cup titles.

For spying on three clubs we have been denied the opportunity to play in the richest game in world football and denied the chance of a £200 million windfall. It has been said that we have not lost £200 million because we still had to win the final but even without that we have in effect been fined £9m. This is because by the EFL keeping us in the championship we will lose £9m in parachute payments next season.

We still await an FA investigation into the incident with rumours of Tonda Eckert receiving a two year ban. This would be grossly unfair as Bielsa was not banned when Leeds were caught and the following season was able to guide them to promotion to the premiership.

What we did was unlikely to gain us any advantage at all, and in fact if you look at the three games that we were found guilty of we drew two and lost one so clearly there was no advantage. However if you look at Chelsea, Manchester City and Leicester City they were all guilty of severe and continual financial misconduct over a large number of years where they were able to buy the quality of players that other teams couldn't afford which gave them a huge advantage over the competition in every single game. Yet between the three of them they have received a six point deduction and a £10.75m fine.

The football authorities can argue all they want that Southampton's punishment fits the crime but we all know and they know this is not the case.

Shame on the EFL!


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bartley41 added 10:10 - May 29
Well thought out , I suggest that the whole article be sent to one or two National Newspapers, such as the "Daily Mail" or the Telegraph.
Regrettably much of Football today is corrupt starting at the very top!
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SainteSimon added 10:18 - May 29
This is a great summary of everything that is wrong (and there is very little right) about the whole process. I would add one more thing to underline the punishment in relation to other such, being way over the top: Forest got an irrelevant small points deduction and small fine for breaking financial rules in the season they last returned to the Premier League; effectively breaking the rules to ensure they had a squad that could survive and it worked and they have reaped the financial rewards ever since.
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A1079 added 10:47 - May 29
You would hope though that much of this will have been picked up by SFC board and legal team and if not, why not and if they have what have they done with it? In fact what are SFC and the legal team doing, if anything? In fact what are the SFC board doing full stop? The silence from them is deafening. Unless I have missed it, a week or more has gone by and not a sound, not even a whisper. The club seem almost supine from the moment the story first broke. They may not be and I appreciate things sometimes cannot be said publicly but we have had nothing absolutely nothing.

I am assuming their preferred option is to retain Eckert because if it wasn't and they (SFC management team) fundamentally he did something wrong they would have sacked him and anyone else linked to it. Now maybe they are waiting for the FA outcome, but that does not give credence because the club either believe Eckert was wrong or don't or believe that he may be wrong but it does not warrant dismissal but rather an opportunity to atone for what he did (assuming it was him and not someone else).

My frustration with SFC Board/Management team is that on so many things, we always appear behind the curve, slow to react. Now it may be that behind the scenes they are building up all sorts of cases etc and aim to hit it in one go or have they just all gone home and thought they would sit back and see what the FA will do? Who knows, because they don't say anything. But time goes marching on and before you know the next season will be upon us, not knowing who the manager is, what players we have and another slow start to the season because we are not prepared.
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131153 added 10:47 - May 29
We have been royally screwed by the EFL there is no doubt. Furthermore we all had to listen to Rick Parry talking about integrity just prior to the Boro/Hull game.You couldn't make it up!
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mgprobert added 11:06 - May 29
Some very good points there, I wonder if it will rumble on or be swept under the carpet. I suspect the latter. The other inconsistency I see is the validity of the semi-final. If the logic is that Saints were guilty of spying and so should be expelled from the play-off competition, then at what point should they have been expelled? They confessed to three spying occasions prior to the semi-finals, so if they are to be banned, the Saints v Middlesbrough semi-final should not have taken place... the two games should be disregarded and re-played with the correct teams. Id be quite keen to pursue this logic if I was a Wrexham supporting lawyer.
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Mattsgrandad added 11:07 - May 29
The FA seem to be dragging their feet on any punishment on Tonda. As far as I'm concerned this club have been punished too much already and should now be left alone to try and regain normality to the club ready for next season.
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A1079 added 11:59 - May 29
Completely agree Mattsgrandad.
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WestSussexSaint added 13:25 - May 29
I cannot believe that the points raised in the article (all very valid) were not raised at the original hearing or the appeal. If they were then the answers were either accepted or could not be challenged legally. It would be helpful if the club could come out and say so. If there is a chance that the EFL have overstepped then Saints should appoint a new legal team to take this further.

This won’t change the fact that we will play in the Championship next season. I have frequently called for the club to move on quickly rather than dwell on this as I think this gives the best chance of success next season. That shouldn’t stop the club taking appropriate legal action against the EFL if there is merit. It won’t get us promoted but if proven it will go along way to repairing some of the reputational damage and may even get some decent compensation.
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dirk_doone added 13:40 - May 29
At the end of their 'Spygate' season, Bielsa and Leeds were rewarded with the FIFA FAIR PLAY AWARD and the following season Bielsa was named Championship Manager of the Year.
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dirk_doone added 14:27 - May 29
What's the big deal anyway? It's only Middlesbrough who made a mountain out of a molehill in a desperate attempt go get into the Premier League.

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halftimeorange added 15:49 - May 29
Could it be that Southampton FC has been privately advised to keep its head down or the punishment will get a whole lot worse. It's the old saying "Say nothing for a long time and then say nothing". You never have to fill a silence, especially when you don’t have anything useful to fill it with. Everything you say may well be used against you.
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StRipper added 15:54 - May 29
I have my suspicions, halftimeorange that it was something like that "keep quiet and maybe the punishment won't be too bad" ethos is how our incompetent leadership team ended up getting us royally shafted
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Jesus_02 added 15:59 - May 29
@WestSussexSaint what may prevent us from playing Championship football is challeging the EFL process. If you recall when Cortese took over he stated he would challenge our 15point deduction. He was advised by the EFL that he was welcome to but SFC would not be invited to play in league 1 if there was an unresolved issue.

Personally I think that this may well be starting point for a review of EFL process and powers by Independent Football Regulator. Having been sad enough to read The EFL handbook, they grant themselves unlimited power to make whatever decision they feel apropriate at the time.

In dismissing the Leeds decision as precident both "independent" panels have also dismissed that there was no appeal by any of the other EFL as to the resoloution of the situation at the time. All other EFL teams were content with a 200k fine.

In terms of bias and integrity , the EFL processes that are put into place need to be spotless if they are going to maintain the confidence of the public and claim to uphold the integrity of the game. The CEO of Boro should have been publicly but politly stood down and ANY personelle with ANY links to Boro should not have been involved.

From the very first statement by the EFL it was clear that their intention was to expell Saints as Boro wanted.

Of course I am angry with Tonda and hs team. But frankly im left dispondant about the point of watching football at all by the conduct of the EFL and Boros senior leadership.
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saintslady76 added 16:36 - May 29
Well said Nick. I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but doesn’t it seem strange that after the Millwall vs Hull game, Millwall’s players were allowed to go on holiday, yet after the Saints vs Grizzleboro game their players were kept training before the EFL hearing had even taken place?
To me, it raises serious questions. It almost feels like certain people already knew what the outcome was going to be before anything was officially decided. The whole situation just screams lack of transparency.
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1962saint added 19:14 - May 29
I don’t understand the point that Saints Lady is making. Why would the Millwall players not go on holiday? Hull were not accused of spying or committing any transgressions and they beat Millwall over 2 legs.
On the matter of the severity of our punishment, I live 80 miles away in the midst of many Brighton supporters and quite a few fans of London clubs. Not sure if they are being kind to me but everyone has the opinion that the penalties dealt out to us have been far too hard.
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efliscorrupt added 20:59 - May 29
It’s encouraging to read this and certainly speaks more to how most of us feel about this. Does feel hard to not feel the club have been played here.

In reading around this I discovered a few things.
1) solicitors are regulated by the SRA who investigate a plethora of complaints that might arise under the banner of conduct
2) whilst they don’t have the power to undue decisions they can impose a variety of sanctions (ironic) on firms or solicitors
3) anyone can refer a complaint as a member of the public to them on this link. https://www.sra.org.uk/consume
4) so there is nothing stopping a number of fans/posters could raise a concern about perceived impartiality. My understanding of the law is impartiality does not have be proved but rather if the average man on the street would think there was a conflict that person should not be involved in the case.
5) I haven’t got round to it yet, but will do, and would encourage others who feel there is a question for the regulator here to answer about how an ex player was on the independent panel that they might feel minded to submit something (especially if one was to ask an AI platform a complaint could be raised and sent within a few minutes)
6) if five people raised an issue it might be easier to ignore, if 500 wrote something it might be a bit trickier.
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DoctorSleep added 14:22 - May 30
The precious gift of "20/20" hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Whilst I understand that people want and perhaps need to dissect the punishment and come up with ' we were wronged' there is little we - as fans - can do about it. I'm not a law expert but it seems there is little or nothing the Club can do either.

The point being ' dont cry over spilt milk ' its in the past and it seems nothing can be done about it. Only the future can be changed so lets move onwards and upwards and show what Southampton FC is really about.
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PJK1972 added 09:21 - Jun 1
Southampton decided to come clean in the hope we'd get a more lenient punishment. It worked and we were let off 2 points further deduction, however by pleading guilty it meant we were subject to a punishment. There is no way of going back to court to challenge the ruling and sentencing. Our mitigating circumstances were "we only spied 3 times boss!"

I think those who think challenging the EFL and re-opening this case ought to just let sleeping dogs lie. It's not going to end well if we poke the EFL with the "we were hard done by" stick. Yes we were hard done by, but they run the league.
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