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You're all out of time....the past was yours but the future's mine.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:32 - Feb 18 with 1214 viewsMoscowJack

I just want to make two points:

1. Huw C was badly let down by the Trust when they should have backed him. Shocking...

2. Huw C was despicably treated by the club he loved. Disgusting....!

Now, please give the guy a break. Nobody's perfect (are we?) and I would put my house on it that Huw never intended to deceive anyone. It's your choice to believe that or not, but he loves the Swans as much (if not more) than any of us and I'm honestly disappointed that someone who did so much for the club AND Trust isn't involved anymore. It's a big loss for our club, especially now.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:46 - Feb 18 with 1180 viewsjasper_T

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:32 - Feb 18 by MoscowJack

I just want to make two points:

1. Huw C was badly let down by the Trust when they should have backed him. Shocking...

2. Huw C was despicably treated by the club he loved. Disgusting....!

Now, please give the guy a break. Nobody's perfect (are we?) and I would put my house on it that Huw never intended to deceive anyone. It's your choice to believe that or not, but he loves the Swans as much (if not more) than any of us and I'm honestly disappointed that someone who did so much for the club AND Trust isn't involved anymore. It's a big loss for our club, especially now.


So he's just thick instead of deliberately deceitful?
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:47 - Feb 18 with 1177 viewsexiledclaseboy

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:46 - Feb 18 by jasper_T

So he's just thick instead of deliberately deceitful?


Why would you insult someone in that way?

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:54 - Feb 18 with 1155 viewsjasper_T

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:47 - Feb 18 by exiledclaseboy

Why would you insult someone in that way?


I don't know. It's quite a negative appraisal of the man despite apparently trying to defend him.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:55 - Feb 18 with 1152 viewsexiledclaseboy

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:54 - Feb 18 by jasper_T

I don't know. It's quite a negative appraisal of the man despite apparently trying to defend him.


I’m struggling to see anything negative in MJ’s words. Yours on the other hand are poor.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:09 - Feb 18 with 1126 viewsDarran

Just because Huw Cooze was drinking in Morgan’s and travelling to games doesn’t make it a FACT that he knew what was going on even how many times people want to repeat it.

And on a side note it enhances why I think the Trust should stay away from the Directors Box.
It’s like saying Stuart Mac knew the sellouts had being speaking to the Daily Mail last week when he clearly didn’t.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:13 - Feb 18 with 1116 viewswaynekerr55

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:09 - Feb 18 by Darran

Just because Huw Cooze was drinking in Morgan’s and travelling to games doesn’t make it a FACT that he knew what was going on even how many times people want to repeat it.

And on a side note it enhances why I think the Trust should stay away from the Directors Box.
It’s like saying Stuart Mac knew the sellouts had being speaking to the Daily Mail last week when he clearly didn’t.


There's more spin on here (and social media) than Waqar Younis. Get the fúckers in court and let's have everything in the open.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:16 - Feb 18 with 1106 viewsexiledclaseboy

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:09 - Feb 18 by Darran

Just because Huw Cooze was drinking in Morgan’s and travelling to games doesn’t make it a FACT that he knew what was going on even how many times people want to repeat it.

And on a side note it enhances why I think the Trust should stay away from the Directors Box.
It’s like saying Stuart Mac knew the sellouts had being speaking to the Daily Mail last week when he clearly didn’t.


Stu wasn’t even in the country when all that kicked off. He’s on his holidays.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:18 - Feb 18 with 1096 viewswaynekerr55

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:16 - Feb 18 by exiledclaseboy

Stu wasn’t even in the country when all that kicked off. He’s on his holidays.


No doubt IBS will put out a statement denying this and are confident their email trail will show otherwise

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:20 - Feb 18 with 1082 viewsDarran

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:16 - Feb 18 by exiledclaseboy

Stu wasn’t even in the country when all that kicked off. He’s on his holidays.


Yes but you know what I’m saying your awkward twàt.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:28 - Feb 18 with 1051 viewsjasper_T

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:55 - Feb 18 by exiledclaseboy

I’m struggling to see anything negative in MJ’s words. Yours on the other hand are poor.


If he didn't mean to deceive anyone, and yet did deceive the people he was supposed to represent, for a long period of time, what can that make him other than thick?

Is ignorant maybe a better word for it?
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:29 - Feb 18 with 1050 viewstheloneranger

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:13 - Feb 18 by waynekerr55

There's more spin on here (and social media) than Waqar Younis. Get the fúckers in court and let's have everything in the open.


Waqar must have been the fastest spinner in cricket history 😂😂

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:33 - Feb 18 with 1028 viewswaynekerr55

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:29 - Feb 18 by theloneranger

Waqar must have been the fastest spinner in cricket history 😂😂


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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:44 - Feb 18 with 998 viewsUxbridge

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:32 - Feb 18 by MoscowJack

I just want to make two points:

1. Huw C was badly let down by the Trust when they should have backed him. Shocking...

2. Huw C was despicably treated by the club he loved. Disgusting....!

Now, please give the guy a break. Nobody's perfect (are we?) and I would put my house on it that Huw never intended to deceive anyone. It's your choice to believe that or not, but he loves the Swans as much (if not more) than any of us and I'm honestly disappointed that someone who did so much for the club AND Trust isn't involved anymore. It's a big loss for our club, especially now.


I'm not sure what you mean by point 1.

Have said plenty of times before here though that it's a damn shame the good stuff that HC did is all too often airbrushed out. Nobody would ever argue that mistakes were made but the lack of balance is unfortunate and often unfair. He's a good man, which is much more than I can say for many of the other actors at that time.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:46 - Feb 18 with 980 viewschad

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 19:32 - Feb 18 by MoscowJack

I just want to make two points:

1. Huw C was badly let down by the Trust when they should have backed him. Shocking...

2. Huw C was despicably treated by the club he loved. Disgusting....!

Now, please give the guy a break. Nobody's perfect (are we?) and I would put my house on it that Huw never intended to deceive anyone. It's your choice to believe that or not, but he loves the Swans as much (if not more) than any of us and I'm honestly disappointed that someone who did so much for the club AND Trust isn't involved anymore. It's a big loss for our club, especially now.


Of course I cannot say, but when accounting what I observed I was in no way suggesting Huw C was in any way trying to deceive anyone. Nor would it be easy for him to announce he was receiving a substantial payment when the Trust Vice Chair had falsely announced on a forum that he was totally unpaid.

Nor does it negate the work he did for the Club in the past

Many people get caught up in events, trust those around them and don’t step back and see the fuller picture. That is why staff in such position should rotate.

But at such a time when it seemed the sellouts would do anything we needed a cynical hawk to watch them.

I don’t wish to be disrespectful but certainly from that meeting I just got the impression that Huw was out of his depth. This was very different from his role in the past and he had long term been enmeshed in a way of working based on trust and mutually beneficial objectives.

But the Trust needed to be open with the membership and needed to deal with this situation, especially when we knew the sellouts were desperate to sell and the fans were making it clear this was a situation that needed to be addressed.

The contractual issues are just sound common business sense to prevent a situation of conflict of interests arising. I certainly was not implying any wrong doing but it certainly is possible it may impact impartiality when you are dependent on the “other side” for contracts and payment, socialise with them and develop strong friendships.

I am sure it must have been horrible for Huw and that is really sad, but the Trust needs to learn from its mistakes, there is too much to lose just now.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 21:05 - Feb 18 with 919 viewsVetchfielder

I'm surprised and maybe a bit disappointed that HC hasn't said anything in the last few Trust Meetings. He's been there but not said anything. He's got a lot of knowledge and has experienced things nobody else has, so I'd be interested in his views on matters, even though I might choose not to agree with him.
I also believe he knew nothing of the share sale until the rest of the Trust Board.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 22:56 - Feb 18 with 854 viewsThe_E20

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 14:06 - Feb 18 by chad

Good post

However serious concern about Huw C’s long term friendship with and obvious closeness and support for the sellouts position (supported by his own words and press statement) and his personal conflict of interests, was pointed out at the time of the first attempted sale, by many at the Trust meeting at that time, and we were promised action.

The need for action to properly protect the Trust was evident, even despite the fact that at this time the Trust were concealing the additional massively relevant fact, that (despite the false public claims from the then Trust Vice Chair that he was totally unpaid) Huw C was in fact being well paid ( in addition to any contractual benefits he may or may not have been receiving).

The need to be on our metal was plain but the person with this long term conflicted interest and friendship with the sellouts who openly expressed sympathy with the sellouts and made press release on behalf of the Trust referring to the sellouts profiteering as an investment in the club, was allowed to continue. Even though (in addition to his conflict of interests and long term friendships with the sellouts) it was plain from his stunted and confused answers at that meeting that he was totally unaware of even the most basic issues in relation to our rights during and potential impact of any sale.


The action we were promised to address these serious concerns?

This most unsuitable captain was left to guard the gate and later portrayed as some sort of let down friend when he understandably totally failed in this duty. Fair to say it was not him that denied he was paid (although he did not correct this lie), nor just him that allowed himself to inappropriately continue in this role, for which for all the above reasons he was totally unsuited, most especially at such a crucial time.

Of course we did get the rules that were supposed to address the accountability and transparency that we demanded. However spectacularly the first disciplinary offence listed actually reduced transparency, by making it a disciplinary offence for any Trust official to publicly disagree with any Trust policy agreed by the majority of the Board.


That is a fantastic post Chad and it really needs to be read by all.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 10:02 - Feb 19 with 720 viewsMoscowJack

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 20:44 - Feb 18 by Uxbridge

I'm not sure what you mean by point 1.

Have said plenty of times before here though that it's a damn shame the good stuff that HC did is all too often airbrushed out. Nobody would ever argue that mistakes were made but the lack of balance is unfortunate and often unfair. He's a good man, which is much more than I can say for many of the other actors at that time.


My memory isn't as good as it used to be, but there are some things I can't forget.

Huw C was hung out to dry when it was revealed that he was getting paid, when the more honourable thing would have been for the Trust to have taken a collective blame and to stand by him.

It wasn't very poor form but not as disgusting as the way the club treated him, but that's another story.

Finally, in answer to Jasper - I really enjoy reading some of your posts but then you write things like this. I definitely wouldn't call Huw stupid or ignorant, but probably far too trusting of the people that he probably (rightly or wrongly) considered friends. MAYBE it was naive, but who on here can say that they haven't been fooled by someone? It was Huw's 'closeness' to the Board that lead to the Trust being able to achieve a lot of really good 'wins' in the Boardroom that others might not have been able to achieve, but that 'closeness' also lead to him being deceived. It must have come as a massive kick in the cajones for him.....

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 11:03 - Feb 19 with 688 viewsUxbridge

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 10:02 - Feb 19 by MoscowJack

My memory isn't as good as it used to be, but there are some things I can't forget.

Huw C was hung out to dry when it was revealed that he was getting paid, when the more honourable thing would have been for the Trust to have taken a collective blame and to stand by him.

It wasn't very poor form but not as disgusting as the way the club treated him, but that's another story.

Finally, in answer to Jasper - I really enjoy reading some of your posts but then you write things like this. I definitely wouldn't call Huw stupid or ignorant, but probably far too trusting of the people that he probably (rightly or wrongly) considered friends. MAYBE it was naive, but who on here can say that they haven't been fooled by someone? It was Huw's 'closeness' to the Board that lead to the Trust being able to achieve a lot of really good 'wins' in the Boardroom that others might not have been able to achieve, but that 'closeness' also lead to him being deceived. It must have come as a massive kick in the cajones for him.....


I'm afraid your memory is playing tricks. HC resigned (and who could blame him with the shitstorm that came about then, it was horrific ... I remember all too well as I was on holiday and had to break into that to respond to some things), the Trust apologised and accepted blame for its part, as an organisation, in that whole thing and clearly there was significant fault on the Trust side. Clearly lessons were to be learned on all sides, and have, but the Trust took a long time to recover from that. Still is to a degree. The statement is still online on Page 8 of the site if you'd like to look. It's pretty clear.

Funnily enough, I won't mention who else I heard trot out this line. There's a story to that I'd rather not share (but enough people know it), and it wouldn't show them in a good light. The timing of all that was of course very interesting. Just a week or so after the Trust went public on events and publicly stated the actions of the sellers and buyers. Not that I'm saying it became public knowledge because of that, but it was certainly used by people close to the other side for their own PR and to deflect.

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 12:31 - Feb 19 with 608 viewsThe_E20

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 11:03 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge

I'm afraid your memory is playing tricks. HC resigned (and who could blame him with the shitstorm that came about then, it was horrific ... I remember all too well as I was on holiday and had to break into that to respond to some things), the Trust apologised and accepted blame for its part, as an organisation, in that whole thing and clearly there was significant fault on the Trust side. Clearly lessons were to be learned on all sides, and have, but the Trust took a long time to recover from that. Still is to a degree. The statement is still online on Page 8 of the site if you'd like to look. It's pretty clear.

Funnily enough, I won't mention who else I heard trot out this line. There's a story to that I'd rather not share (but enough people know it), and it wouldn't show them in a good light. The timing of all that was of course very interesting. Just a week or so after the Trust went public on events and publicly stated the actions of the sellers and buyers. Not that I'm saying it became public knowledge because of that, but it was certainly used by people close to the other side for their own PR and to deflect.


It didn’t mention they outright lied to the fanbase though. Because it then puts context to their accusations and public disgust when they are lied to.

That was unbelievably significant and swept under the carpet.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:03 - Feb 19 with 587 viewsMoscowJack

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 11:03 - Feb 19 by Uxbridge

I'm afraid your memory is playing tricks. HC resigned (and who could blame him with the shitstorm that came about then, it was horrific ... I remember all too well as I was on holiday and had to break into that to respond to some things), the Trust apologised and accepted blame for its part, as an organisation, in that whole thing and clearly there was significant fault on the Trust side. Clearly lessons were to be learned on all sides, and have, but the Trust took a long time to recover from that. Still is to a degree. The statement is still online on Page 8 of the site if you'd like to look. It's pretty clear.

Funnily enough, I won't mention who else I heard trot out this line. There's a story to that I'd rather not share (but enough people know it), and it wouldn't show them in a good light. The timing of all that was of course very interesting. Just a week or so after the Trust went public on events and publicly stated the actions of the sellers and buyers. Not that I'm saying it became public knowledge because of that, but it was certainly used by people close to the other side for their own PR and to deflect.


I don't think HC wanted to resign, but was put in a position where he had to, instead of being backed by the Trust (as he could have been). I won't read the public statement, as I can guess what it said, but HC was dumped on by two of the 'bodies' that I believe he genuinely loved.

Re. your second paragraph - I don't get it. I have re-read it. Who's "them"? I honestly don't understand what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that I leaked something or started a rumour? All I'm doing is giving my 100% honest opinion about how I believe HC was treated. I'm not slamming the current Trust people (as it's changed so much) and I think that it's also important not to be fearful of bringing up past mistakes.

Or maybe I've read it totally wrong, in which case I'm REALLY fkin confused :)

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:08 - Feb 19 with 577 viewsjasper_T

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:03 - Feb 19 by MoscowJack

I don't think HC wanted to resign, but was put in a position where he had to, instead of being backed by the Trust (as he could have been). I won't read the public statement, as I can guess what it said, but HC was dumped on by two of the 'bodies' that I believe he genuinely loved.

Re. your second paragraph - I don't get it. I have re-read it. Who's "them"? I honestly don't understand what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that I leaked something or started a rumour? All I'm doing is giving my 100% honest opinion about how I believe HC was treated. I'm not slamming the current Trust people (as it's changed so much) and I think that it's also important not to be fearful of bringing up past mistakes.

Or maybe I've read it totally wrong, in which case I'm REALLY fkin confused :)


You think he could have stayed on in the role after everything that had happened?
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:14 - Feb 19 with 569 viewsMoscowJack

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:08 - Feb 19 by jasper_T

You think he could have stayed on in the role after everything that had happened?


Maybe...

Are you blaming HC for being paid or blaming the Trust for covering it up?

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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:17 - Feb 19 with 564 viewsThe_E20

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:03 - Feb 19 by MoscowJack

I don't think HC wanted to resign, but was put in a position where he had to, instead of being backed by the Trust (as he could have been). I won't read the public statement, as I can guess what it said, but HC was dumped on by two of the 'bodies' that I believe he genuinely loved.

Re. your second paragraph - I don't get it. I have re-read it. Who's "them"? I honestly don't understand what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting that I leaked something or started a rumour? All I'm doing is giving my 100% honest opinion about how I believe HC was treated. I'm not slamming the current Trust people (as it's changed so much) and I think that it's also important not to be fearful of bringing up past mistakes.

Or maybe I've read it totally wrong, in which case I'm REALLY fkin confused :)


Of course he didn’t want to resign.

I would like to ask Ux if his resignation was his own free choice or was he pressured into it by Trust board view. The latter, while not really fronting up to what the Trust did suggests he absolutely was thrown under the bus.
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Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:28 - Feb 19 with 548 viewsjasper_T

Should THE TRUSTS Board of Directors have personal financial gain from the club? on 13:14 - Feb 19 by MoscowJack

Maybe...

Are you blaming HC for being paid or blaming the Trust for covering it up?


I think the situation as a whole made his position as a representative for trust members entirely untenable. There was both deception(s plural) and a failure to fulfil his duties (whether he "knew he was fighting a war" or not).

But yes, he is to blame for accepting payments for his services from the club and continuing to represent another party on the board. And the Trust board were definitely wrong to lie about it, and to say "oh we knew about it but he's a nice bloke so I'm sure it won't influence things, conflicts of interest are fine if we're all mates". It let down its members badly.
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