| Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 105765 views | CountyJim |
I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity
He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:48 - Aug 12 with 1777 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:27 - Aug 12 by Cottsy |
I'll work through that list backwards.
Firstly, are you seriously trying to suggest that the Morning Star is the paper of Plaid Cymru? Iesu Mawr! What do you put on your cornflakes in the morning, crystal meth?
'The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party', that's what it says on the first line of my membership card. Does it explicitly say anywhere on your Plaid membership card that it is a socialist party? No? I didn't think so. Did you know that your candidate for the Assembly in Llanelli, Helen Mary Jones, said that her greatest political memory was Neil Kinnock losing the 1992 election? She must be one of those self loathing socialists that enjoys seeing the Tories in power.
JC is a republican as are many current Labour MPs and members and as many who have gone before, he has also said that abolishing the monarchy is not a priority for him. I'd be willing to bet that many in Plaid would want to keep the Queen as head of state if Wales were to become independent.
CND has long historical links to the Labour Party, even Tony Blair was once a member of Labour CND and AI probably has wide cross party support JC has recently been campaigning with Conservatives David Davis and Andrew Mitchell to free Shaker Aamer from Guantanamo Bay.
As for Palestine and Ireland, JC has always said that you need to talk to all sides to achieve peace and was proved right in terms of Ireland by the Good Friday Agreement, one of Labour's great achievements. Some on the left agree with him on these issues some don't.
Now you can keep banging on about how Plaid are the only socialist party in the village but until you realise that the Labour Party as a whole is made up of a lot more than just the Blairite fringe of the PLP and has a majority of left and centre left members and supporters then you are going to continue to look like a moron. |
I'm talking about Corbyn and the lovely Leanne both writing articles for the Morning Star.
Corbyn is not generally saying anything that Leanne Wood [and her party] has not been saying for years.
Blarites are not a fringe of the Labour party, they have run the Labour party for years, hence why Labour are known as a Tory party and Tony Blair was their leader for years.
Why would people that claim to be socialist vote for the Red Tories ?, when in Wales we have Plaid, now some people are coming out of the woodwork for Corbyn when his affiliations seem to the same as Ms Wood and lots of the Plaid leadership, so one has to conclude that Corbyn has been in the wrong party for the last 3 decades and those supporters of Corbyn coming out of the woodwork in Wales one has to ask why have they not been voting Plaid when Corbyn seems to be saying the same thing as Plaid and to top it all off Corbyn has been in Wales this week and has been reported as saying he would be happy to work with Plaid.
[The answer to Corbyn supporters not voting for a bona fide left of centre party in Plaid is the disingenuous scaremongering and unfounded labelling of Plaid by Labour and the media for decades and decades, its laughable that those people vote for a Labour party pursuing Tory policies ] |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:05 - Aug 12 with 1757 views | yescomeon |
I think the reason people are coming out of the woodwork to support JC when they didn't for LW is that JC is that most in Wales don't want independence. Home rule we want as the first aim independence is a big scary word for most. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:11 - Aug 12 with 1747 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:05 - Aug 12 by yescomeon |
I think the reason people are coming out of the woodwork to support JC when they didn't for LW is that JC is that most in Wales don't want independence. Home rule we want as the first aim independence is a big scary word for most. |
So much so that Corbyn supporters vote for a Tory party eg NuLabour. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:20 - Aug 12 with 1738 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:11 - Aug 12 by trampie |
So much so that Corbyn supporters vote for a Tory party eg NuLabour. |
I really don't get what is hard to understand, Corbyn is trying to change the direction of the labour party. To one which you support too mind. What is the issue. I'm not saying this as a staunch labour supporter, I voted Plaid in the election just gone. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:33 - Aug 12 with 1728 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:20 - Aug 12 by yescomeon |
I really don't get what is hard to understand, Corbyn is trying to change the direction of the labour party. To one which you support too mind. What is the issue. I'm not saying this as a staunch labour supporter, I voted Plaid in the election just gone. |
Yes I know, but most of the masses don't seem to know that Labour are Red Tories and their policies are similar the Conservatives, the masses need to be educated that if they are Welsh and want social justice policies then Plaid is the only game in town as a vote for Labour is a vote for right wing Tory policies and it has been that way for about 30 years.
I'm challenging red Tories on this site that are trying to tell the board that Labour are not right wing Tories, because Labour are Tories and have been for decades.
Corbyn wanting to change the direction of Labour is fine but red Tories trying to claim that NuLabour are left wing are going to get called out by me as talking bullshit. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:49 - Aug 12 with 1704 views | waynekerr55 |
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
David Icke is out of hibernation |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:57 - Aug 12 with 1690 views | exiledclaseboy |
Labour is a slightly left of centre party. It's not a socialist party any more regardless of what it says on the membership card. That may change if Corbyn was a elected, for better or worse depending on your perspective.
Plaid is a slightly more left of centre party but not a socialist party either. Never has been. Socialism is incompatible with Plaid's nationalist leanings for a start. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:04 - Aug 12 with 1685 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:20 - Aug 12 by yescomeon |
I really don't get what is hard to understand, Corbyn is trying to change the direction of the labour party. To one which you support too mind. What is the issue. I'm not saying this as a staunch labour supporter, I voted Plaid in the election just gone. |
Something else yescomeon, which I have pointed out on another site, true left wingers within Labour would not be criticising Plaid in a general sense and any Labour supporter that does is not a true left winger otherwise they would not be criticising a bona fide left of centre party.
Plaid criticising NuLabour [a Tory party] fine, Left wingers within Labour criticising Plaid in a general sense not fine as they cant be left wingers in the first place otherwise they would have common cause with a lot of Plaid policies if they were true left wingers.
So really you are looking at things from the wrong way round as regards me, the issue is not what issues I have with Corbyn [only why has he been in NuLabour 30 odd years when they have been in power with Tory policies ie Tony Blair years] but that Labour supporters claiming to be on the left and attacking Plaid in a general sense that doesn't make sense and the conclusion is that they are not genuine left wing supporters in the first place. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:09 - Aug 12 with 1680 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 17:57 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Labour is a slightly left of centre party. It's not a socialist party any more regardless of what it says on the membership card. That may change if Corbyn was a elected, for better or worse depending on your perspective.
Plaid is a slightly more left of centre party but not a socialist party either. Never has been. Socialism is incompatible with Plaid's nationalist leanings for a start. |
Plaid hasn't got any nationalist leanings that is why nationalists dislike them. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:21 - Aug 12 with 1666 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:09 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Plaid hasn't got any nationalist leanings that is why nationalists dislike them. |
oh dear God!
Have a think about what you have just written.
This is what their website says:
"Plaid Cymru The Party of Wales was formed on 5th August 1925. Its aims are:
To secure independence for Wales in Europe. To ensure economic prosperity, social justice and the health of the natural environment, based on decentralist socialism. To build a national community based on equal citizenship, respect for different traditions and cultures and the equal worth of all individuals, whatever their race, nationality, gender, colour, creed, sexuality, age, ability or social background. To create a bilingual society by promoting the revival of the Welsh language. To promote Wales's contribution to the global community and to attain membership of the United Nations."
The VERY FIRST THING it says is 'To secure Independence for Wales in Europe'
Not an aside, not an afterthought, the first thing. It's primary aim, the thing it ranks above all others.
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:30 - Aug 12 with 1654 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:21 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001 |
oh dear God!
Have a think about what you have just written.
This is what their website says:
"Plaid Cymru The Party of Wales was formed on 5th August 1925. Its aims are:
To secure independence for Wales in Europe. To ensure economic prosperity, social justice and the health of the natural environment, based on decentralist socialism. To build a national community based on equal citizenship, respect for different traditions and cultures and the equal worth of all individuals, whatever their race, nationality, gender, colour, creed, sexuality, age, ability or social background. To create a bilingual society by promoting the revival of the Welsh language. To promote Wales's contribution to the global community and to attain membership of the United Nations."
The VERY FIRST THING it says is 'To secure Independence for Wales in Europe'
Not an aside, not an afterthought, the first thing. It's primary aim, the thing it ranks above all others.
You are truly away with the fairies. |
Anybody that recognises borders is a nationalist that is basically everybody, eg Labour, Conservative etc are Brit Nats. [Post edited 12 Aug 2015 18:31]
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:44 - Aug 12 with 1632 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:30 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Anybody that recognises borders is a nationalist that is basically everybody, eg Labour, Conservative etc are Brit Nats. [Post edited 12 Aug 2015 18:31]
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Don't deflect which is your usual fall back position.
You said Plaid is not a nationalist party which is why nationalists don't like them.
I pointed out that it's number one aim is an independent Wales.
You are completely wrong in what you say. Deflection will not change that fact.
Change the record will you - find some other subjects and a different user name to carry on your windup nonsense if it's what keeps you going. But on this particular one - you're done. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:45 - Aug 12 with 1632 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:04 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Something else yescomeon, which I have pointed out on another site, true left wingers within Labour would not be criticising Plaid in a general sense and any Labour supporter that does is not a true left winger otherwise they would not be criticising a bona fide left of centre party.
Plaid criticising NuLabour [a Tory party] fine, Left wingers within Labour criticising Plaid in a general sense not fine as they cant be left wingers in the first place otherwise they would have common cause with a lot of Plaid policies if they were true left wingers.
So really you are looking at things from the wrong way round as regards me, the issue is not what issues I have with Corbyn [only why has he been in NuLabour 30 odd years when they have been in power with Tory policies ie Tony Blair years] but that Labour supporters claiming to be on the left and attacking Plaid in a general sense that doesn't make sense and the conclusion is that they are not genuine left wing supporters in the first place. |
I disagree, a left winger in Labour is quite within their rights to criticize Plaid, the obvious thing being over independence, or does your caveat "in a general sense" exclude that example. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:51 - Aug 12 with 1624 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:44 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Don't deflect which is your usual fall back position.
You said Plaid is not a nationalist party which is why nationalists don't like them.
I pointed out that it's number one aim is an independent Wales.
You are completely wrong in what you say. Deflection will not change that fact.
Change the record will you - find some other subjects and a different user name to carry on your windup nonsense if it's what keeps you going. But on this particular one - you're done. |
Oops pressed the up button then.
If everybody recognises national borders then everybody is a nationalist, so to call somebody a nationalist for recognising borders is meaningless. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:53 - Aug 12 with 1614 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:45 - Aug 12 by yescomeon |
I disagree, a left winger in Labour is quite within their rights to criticize Plaid, the obvious thing being over independence, or does your caveat "in a general sense" exclude that example. |
Its fine to criticise the odd individual policy but would be hypocritical to criticise in an overall general sense. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:54 - Aug 12 with 1616 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:51 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Oops pressed the up button then.
If everybody recognises national borders then everybody is a nationalist, so to call somebody a nationalist for recognising borders is meaningless. |
Plaid are not recognising borders, they're wanting an independent Wales - it is a very different concept and is their number one aim.
Anyway - I can't be bothered to reply any longer - use your other name instead and retire this one perhaps? | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:59 - Aug 12 with 1604 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:54 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Plaid are not recognising borders, they're wanting an independent Wales - it is a very different concept and is their number one aim.
Anyway - I can't be bothered to reply any longer - use your other name instead and retire this one perhaps? |
I haven't got another username.
I would be interested to know though what you thought my other username is ?, so I can check out what that person is saying, can't say I've noticed anyone else with similar views, interests, posting style etc, so that would be interesting to see. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:42 - Aug 12 with 1551 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:59 - Aug 12 by trampie |
I haven't got another username.
I would be interested to know though what you thought my other username is ?, so I can check out what that person is saying, can't say I've noticed anyone else with similar views, interests, posting style etc, so that would be interesting to see. |
There's definitely nobody with your distinct style...
I don't think Spratty was as persistent either... | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:48 - Aug 12 with 1536 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:59 - Aug 12 by trampie |
I haven't got another username.
I would be interested to know though what you thought my other username is ?, so I can check out what that person is saying, can't say I've noticed anyone else with similar views, interests, posting style etc, so that would be interesting to see. |
I quote what I had previously said:
"find some other subjects and a different user name to carry on your windup nonsense if it's what keeps you going"
hence 'use your other name and retire this one'. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:55 - Aug 12 with 1521 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:09 - Aug 12 by trampie |
Plaid hasn't got any nationalist leanings that is why nationalists dislike them. |
Apart of course from its stated aim of "independence within the EU" right there in the first paragraph of the party's own constitution? Dropped the ball a bit there, Tramp. And let's face it, if Plaid wasn't a Welsh nationalist party you wouldn't be shilling for them constantly like you do. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:56 - Aug 12 with 1516 views | trampie |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:48 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001 |
I quote what I had previously said:
"find some other subjects and a different user name to carry on your windup nonsense if it's what keeps you going"
hence 'use your other name and retire this one'. |
I haven't got another name ?, and why would I retire my username ?
I don't wind up, I have no agenda, I just call it as I see it, looks like you have been in the smoke too long and its affected your judgement, you think other posters are trampie in disguise. lol. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:58 - Aug 12 with 1509 views | Dr_Winston |
I can't understand why someone as obviously intelligent as Londonlisa actively engages with the weirdos.
Surely the boredom factor only goes so far?  |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:59 - Aug 12 with 1508 views | exiledclaseboy |
He may be right but it'll be entertaining watch. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:02 - Aug 12 with 1505 views | exiledclaseboy |
By the way, Chris Mullins' excellent novel "A Very British Coup" is worth a read. Relevant to the Corbyn matter. There was a very good C4 TV adaptation back in the day too. | |
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