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Wage Caps 12:47 - May 19 with 1639 viewsshandyjack

Picking up off something from the Jimmy Hill thread.

It's completly unfeasable to introduce but if this was a possibility would you like too see a maximum wage limit introduce world wide in football. Say a deal struck that any professional born after 1998 would be confined to earn a maximum of roughly £150,000 a week.

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Wage Caps on 12:50 - May 19 with 1268 viewsjasper_T

Who should the money go to other than the players? Agents? Owners?
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Wage Caps on 12:52 - May 19 with 1255 viewsshandyjack

Wage Caps on 12:50 - May 19 by jasper_T

Who should the money go to other than the players? Agents? Owners?


grassroots, into the acadamies to produce better coaches and players. Back to the fans interms of ticket prices?

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Wage Caps on 12:56 - May 19 with 1236 viewsblueytheblue

Wage caps are an utterly ridiculous concept... smacks of jealousy for the most part.

NFL has it spot on - no wage cap for individual players but the teams have a salary cap. Can then splash out for one amazing player if you want, but that means you've less money for the rest of the squad.

Even so, it's still pointless unless all leagues in every nation have the same rules; players would leave in droves where they can get more money.

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Wage Caps on 13:02 - May 19 with 1221 viewsbuilthjack

Wage Caps on 12:56 - May 19 by blueytheblue

Wage caps are an utterly ridiculous concept... smacks of jealousy for the most part.

NFL has it spot on - no wage cap for individual players but the teams have a salary cap. Can then splash out for one amazing player if you want, but that means you've less money for the rest of the squad.

Even so, it's still pointless unless all leagues in every nation have the same rules; players would leave in droves where they can get more money.


Cap it. €50,000 per week throughout Europe. When Sky's money eventually stops this will happen anyway.
How many actually pay top whack for sky sports these days?

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Wage Caps on 13:07 - May 19 with 1207 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:02 - May 19 by builthjack

Cap it. €50,000 per week throughout Europe. When Sky's money eventually stops this will happen anyway.
How many actually pay top whack for sky sports these days?


And again, how can you cap it - for one thing that contradicts EU rules.

The only way any cap can be applied legally is a salary cap on teams.

It's not practical in sports where there's promotion and relegation. NFL can do it, there's a fixed number of franchises.

Say a salary cap of 75m for Prem teams. Three teams relegate; Championship salary cap is say 50m. Whilst it's valid "better" players will leave anyway as at present, those teams have gone down a division and have to sell players. Any team yoyoing between the divisions will be in a cycle of buying to try to stay in Prem / relegate / sell to abide by Championship cap / promote.

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Wage Caps on 13:10 - May 19 with 1198 viewslifelong

Wage Caps on 12:56 - May 19 by blueytheblue

Wage caps are an utterly ridiculous concept... smacks of jealousy for the most part.

NFL has it spot on - no wage cap for individual players but the teams have a salary cap. Can then splash out for one amazing player if you want, but that means you've less money for the rest of the squad.

Even so, it's still pointless unless all leagues in every nation have the same rules; players would leave in droves where they can get more money.


Nothing to do with jealousy, some of the wages paid out to these players is just ludicrous, £50k a week should be the maximum, all the surplus should be ploughed back into the community that the club supposed to represent.
£50k a week earns you £2.1 million a year, how much money do people want FFS.
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Wage Caps on 13:13 - May 19 with 1179 viewsshandyjack

Wage Caps on 12:56 - May 19 by blueytheblue

Wage caps are an utterly ridiculous concept... smacks of jealousy for the most part.

NFL has it spot on - no wage cap for individual players but the teams have a salary cap. Can then splash out for one amazing player if you want, but that means you've less money for the rest of the squad.

Even so, it's still pointless unless all leagues in every nation have the same rules; players would leave in droves where they can get more money.


the idea would be for it to be imposed by Fifa and then it's same rules for all. A salary cap is a very good idea. How would it work though, if say Man Utd had the same salary cap as us, would that be fair?

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Wage Caps on 13:16 - May 19 with 1172 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:10 - May 19 by lifelong

Nothing to do with jealousy, some of the wages paid out to these players is just ludicrous, £50k a week should be the maximum, all the surplus should be ploughed back into the community that the club supposed to represent.
£50k a week earns you £2.1 million a year, how much money do people want FFS.


How is it ludicrous - maybe in your opinion.

Players wages are purely a business decision, contract negotiations. A player views their worth as X, a club views it as Y. Same as transfer valuations are what a seller would be happy to accept, what a buyer would be happy to spend.

You cannot apply a maximum salary on individual players. It's illegal and immoral to do so.

Clubs aren't run as community projects. Haven't been run like that for decades.

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Wage Caps on 13:18 - May 19 with 1165 viewsshandyjack

does the English rugby top division have a salary cap?

edit: http://www.premiershiprugby.com/premiership/structure/salary_cap.php#hlj8KIMZY6C

obviously the numbers would be higher,but seems like a good idea, even if it has been abused
[Post edited 19 May 2016 13:21]

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Wage Caps on 13:21 - May 19 with 1158 viewsblueytheblue

Apples. Oranges.

English rugby can have a salary cap sure. If say the French don't, then quality players merely f*** off to France for the money.

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Wage Caps on 13:29 - May 19 with 1132 viewsshandyjack

Wage Caps on 13:21 - May 19 by blueytheblue

Apples. Oranges.

English rugby can have a salary cap sure. If say the French don't, then quality players merely f*** off to France for the money.


but if Fifa made it a world wide cap then all clubs play by the same rules across the world

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Wage Caps on 13:30 - May 19 with 1127 viewsDr_Winston

Wage Caps on 13:10 - May 19 by lifelong

Nothing to do with jealousy, some of the wages paid out to these players is just ludicrous, £50k a week should be the maximum, all the surplus should be ploughed back into the community that the club supposed to represent.
£50k a week earns you £2.1 million a year, how much money do people want FFS.


Communities don't own clubs.

People don't complain when musicians and film stars earn multiple millions per year yet footballers get it in the neck constantly. It's the nature of high level sport that its top practicioners earn massive wages.

Bring in a salary cap in Europe and the Chinese or Arabic Superleague will attract the best players.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Wage Caps on 13:31 - May 19 with 1121 viewsVetchitBack

Wage Caps on 13:16 - May 19 by blueytheblue

How is it ludicrous - maybe in your opinion.

Players wages are purely a business decision, contract negotiations. A player views their worth as X, a club views it as Y. Same as transfer valuations are what a seller would be happy to accept, what a buyer would be happy to spend.

You cannot apply a maximum salary on individual players. It's illegal and immoral to do so.

Clubs aren't run as community projects. Haven't been run like that for decades.


Immoral?

That reminds me of a brilliantly satirical episode of South Park where it looks at people downloading music for free on the internet.

In a parody of A Christmas Carol a ghost takes the protagonists around the houses of famous singers, musicians and rock stars.

"Look children, if you continue to download music for free Kanye West will only be able to afford 5 helicopters. Not the 8 he is used to. How will you be able to live with yourselves?"
[Post edited 19 May 2016 13:32]

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Wage Caps on 13:34 - May 19 with 1090 viewsVetchitBack

Wage Caps on 13:21 - May 19 by blueytheblue

Apples. Oranges.

English rugby can have a salary cap sure. If say the French don't, then quality players merely f*** off to France for the money.


...and all the modern "celebrities" and foreign mercenaries will fck off too!

Struggling to see a bad point in this

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Wage Caps on 13:35 - May 19 with 1086 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:29 - May 19 by shandyjack

but if Fifa made it a world wide cap then all clubs play by the same rules across the world


Which is the only way it could work.

Even then you've other tings to consider - the economies of different nations, promotion / relegation... it's a non-starter.

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Wage Caps on 13:36 - May 19 with 1077 viewsshandyjack

glad i've started a decent discussion onthis, note though that i don't think it would ever be possible to implement even if there was a desire to do so.
My next question is

what impact on the game would a cap have, would it give more teams a chance?
Does the game need it?

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Wage Caps on 13:40 - May 19 with 1067 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:31 - May 19 by VetchitBack

Immoral?

That reminds me of a brilliantly satirical episode of South Park where it looks at people downloading music for free on the internet.

In a parody of A Christmas Carol a ghost takes the protagonists around the houses of famous singers, musicians and rock stars.

"Look children, if you continue to download music for free Kanye West will only be able to afford 5 helicopters. Not the 8 he is used to. How will you be able to live with yourselves?"
[Post edited 19 May 2016 13:32]


So, it's ok for you to create something ( movie, music, whatever ) and others can then deny you recompense for your efforts... because you already have money.

That's a silly argument.

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Wage Caps on 13:44 - May 19 with 1058 viewsbuilthjack

Wage Caps on 13:31 - May 19 by VetchitBack

Immoral?

That reminds me of a brilliantly satirical episode of South Park where it looks at people downloading music for free on the internet.

In a parody of A Christmas Carol a ghost takes the protagonists around the houses of famous singers, musicians and rock stars.

"Look children, if you continue to download music for free Kanye West will only be able to afford 5 helicopters. Not the 8 he is used to. How will you be able to live with yourselves?"
[Post edited 19 May 2016 13:32]


Yes. It's ridiculous the pure greed in this world.

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Wage Caps on 13:50 - May 19 with 1047 viewsyescomeon

Wage Caps on 13:40 - May 19 by blueytheblue

So, it's ok for you to create something ( movie, music, whatever ) and others can then deny you recompense for your efforts... because you already have money.

That's a silly argument.


You are being compensated for it, £50k a week in fact. And you get to play football, make music etc for a living. Beats sweeping the streets huh?

Upthecity!

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Wage Caps on 13:55 - May 19 with 1038 viewsVetchitBack

Wage Caps on 13:40 - May 19 by blueytheblue

So, it's ok for you to create something ( movie, music, whatever ) and others can then deny you recompense for your efforts... because you already have money.

That's a silly argument.


Yeah why not deny them?

It's like Philip Green's "third" super yacht.

I struggle to associate the terms "create something" or "effort" with playing football - something many of us do or have done for leisure.

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Wage Caps on 13:57 - May 19 with 1033 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:50 - May 19 by yescomeon

You are being compensated for it, £50k a week in fact. And you get to play football, make music etc for a living. Beats sweeping the streets huh?


The point was the South Park comment about downloading for free, so that's just silly.

So because a job is deemed to be "cool" then people in that job sector should be paid less than they can negotiate, right?

The whole "sweeping the streets" argument is also silly. You can argue as to the relative benefits to society, but simply put, Wayne Rooney could sweep streets - it's a relatively low skill job. Could street sweepers play football to the level of Wayne Rooney? Absolutely not. Hence the massive pay differential to reflect the differences in skill levels and value to the employer.

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Wage Caps on 13:59 - May 19 with 1028 viewsbuilthjack

Wage Caps on 13:55 - May 19 by VetchitBack

Yeah why not deny them?

It's like Philip Green's "third" super yacht.

I struggle to associate the terms "create something" or "effort" with playing football - something many of us do or have done for leisure.


For people,like Green it becomes a power thing . Total b@llocks. He's no better, in fact he's far worse, than you or me. We wouldn't steal money off our workers. Jail the Kent.

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Wage Caps on 14:00 - May 19 with 1025 viewsyescomeon

Wage Caps on 13:57 - May 19 by blueytheblue

The point was the South Park comment about downloading for free, so that's just silly.

So because a job is deemed to be "cool" then people in that job sector should be paid less than they can negotiate, right?

The whole "sweeping the streets" argument is also silly. You can argue as to the relative benefits to society, but simply put, Wayne Rooney could sweep streets - it's a relatively low skill job. Could street sweepers play football to the level of Wayne Rooney? Absolutely not. Hence the massive pay differential to reflect the differences in skill levels and value to the employer.


Missing the point I was trying to make. The job is its own reward.

Upthecity!

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Wage Caps on 14:02 - May 19 with 1017 viewsblueytheblue

Wage Caps on 13:55 - May 19 by VetchitBack

Yeah why not deny them?

It's like Philip Green's "third" super yacht.

I struggle to associate the terms "create something" or "effort" with playing football - something many of us do or have done for leisure.


Many people play football for leisure.

They don't play it professionally for a reason.

If football isn't en effort then I'm sure players who have had health issues after retiring would really appreciate that sentiment.

Fact is, players want and get contracts based upon their perceived value to their future employers. Good luck to them on that score. When my company pitches for contracts, it's based upon a level reflecting the skills being brought to the table for the job.

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Wage Caps on 14:06 - May 19 with 1010 viewsVetchitBack

Wage Caps on 13:57 - May 19 by blueytheblue

The point was the South Park comment about downloading for free, so that's just silly.

So because a job is deemed to be "cool" then people in that job sector should be paid less than they can negotiate, right?

The whole "sweeping the streets" argument is also silly. You can argue as to the relative benefits to society, but simply put, Wayne Rooney could sweep streets - it's a relatively low skill job. Could street sweepers play football to the level of Wayne Rooney? Absolutely not. Hence the massive pay differential to reflect the differences in skill levels and value to the employer.


The point about the South Park episode was the ridiculousness in calling it immoral for someone to ONLY be paid say a maximum of 50,000 quid a week for a leisure activity.

Not that anyone should be forced to play football for free. What kind of mug would do that?

Ps just noticed no pound sign on my iPad only dollar and euro. This is Obamas doing.

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