BREXIT - the Immigration question 17:29 - Nov 3 with 2230 views | johnlangy | People voted to leave the EU in the referendum for a variety of reasons but the most contentious was the issue of immigration. When the subject was talked about during the campaign various brexiteers put the issue in the context of the population of a city the size of Cardiff coming to the UK every year. The actual figure from memory was 330,000. A lot of MP's are arguing at the moment that they should be involved/consulted/informed about the governments negotiations so they can have an input. This would mean them having an opinion on what the immigration numbers should be. So my question to anyone who voted leave, or anyone else with an opinion for that matter, is what do you think the level should be in numbers ? | | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:38 - Nov 3 with 1855 views | PozuelosSideys | Is volume really the issue anymore, given todays events? Maybe its the quality over quantity, but how would you go about that? | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:43 - Nov 3 with 1847 views | Highjack | Most immigration is from outside the EU anyway so Brexit won't do much. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:47 - Nov 3 with 1843 views | johnlangy |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:43 - Nov 3 by Highjack | Most immigration is from outside the EU anyway so Brexit won't do much. |
Well, it's roughly half and half. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:50 - Nov 3 with 1839 views | Professor | It is extremely difficult to set something like this. Other than in the local car wash there are few immigrants I run into on a day-to-day basis-even in Liverpool, yet places like Flint and Connahs Quay have a big Polish community. I am sure this is not the case in more 'prosperous' areas in the south where they do so many jobs in the service sector. There probably needs to be a level of control-but where do you draw the line? Universities need the income that non-UK students bring-so do you stop student visas? How will fruit and veg picking be done without immigrant labour? There are so many unanswered questions still. How many are needed? Do we have a moral obligation? Does this make our country richer both financially and culturally? | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:53 - Nov 3 with 1830 views | Highjack |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:50 - Nov 3 by Professor | It is extremely difficult to set something like this. Other than in the local car wash there are few immigrants I run into on a day-to-day basis-even in Liverpool, yet places like Flint and Connahs Quay have a big Polish community. I am sure this is not the case in more 'prosperous' areas in the south where they do so many jobs in the service sector. There probably needs to be a level of control-but where do you draw the line? Universities need the income that non-UK students bring-so do you stop student visas? How will fruit and veg picking be done without immigrant labour? There are so many unanswered questions still. How many are needed? Do we have a moral obligation? Does this make our country richer both financially and culturally? |
Why can't British people pick fruit and veg or work in car washes? | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:55 - Nov 3 with 1821 views | yescomeon |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:53 - Nov 3 by Highjack | Why can't British people pick fruit and veg or work in car washes? |
I guess it's because they won't. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:00 - Nov 3 with 1814 views | Highjack |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:55 - Nov 3 by yescomeon | I guess it's because they won't. |
Why is this? | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:18 - Nov 3 with 1788 views | Groo |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 17:38 - Nov 3 by PozuelosSideys | Is volume really the issue anymore, given todays events? Maybe its the quality over quantity, but how would you go about that? |
There are two types of immigration, 1. Migrants looking to move to the UK and 2. Asylum seekers. For 2. Britain should indicate how many they will take (there was mention of a promise of 20,000 by 2020). Asylum seekers which would include refugees are a World Wide problem and a burden to be shared by all Countries, each Country should have their own way of choosing, Canada for instance selects people from the camps in and around the troubled areas and the selection criteria includes things like family in Canada and a government sponsored selection system. i should think families and orphaned children should be a high priority. For 1. I believe it should be like Canada, where there is a points system, where people apply and are accepted determined by skill, the need for that skill, experience, language, etc. unfortunately a lot of people who should fall into 1 but don't have the skill or experience fight their way into number 2, muddying the waters and making it more difficult for genuine people in need. Students and temporary workers could be a third type. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:27 - Nov 3 with 1763 views | yescomeon |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:00 - Nov 3 by Highjack | Why is this? |
No idea, rather be on benefits? Just guessing anyway. I know of British people doing fruit picking. Im from a rural area though, most young people move to cities though, so I guess it's forgien labour is needed. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:31 - Nov 3 with 1755 views | yescomeon |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 18:18 - Nov 3 by Groo | There are two types of immigration, 1. Migrants looking to move to the UK and 2. Asylum seekers. For 2. Britain should indicate how many they will take (there was mention of a promise of 20,000 by 2020). Asylum seekers which would include refugees are a World Wide problem and a burden to be shared by all Countries, each Country should have their own way of choosing, Canada for instance selects people from the camps in and around the troubled areas and the selection criteria includes things like family in Canada and a government sponsored selection system. i should think families and orphaned children should be a high priority. For 1. I believe it should be like Canada, where there is a points system, where people apply and are accepted determined by skill, the need for that skill, experience, language, etc. unfortunately a lot of people who should fall into 1 but don't have the skill or experience fight their way into number 2, muddying the waters and making it more difficult for genuine people in need. Students and temporary workers could be a third type. |
Good post. Easy for Canada to cherry pick the asylum seekers they want, they are pretty far removed from the worst areas. Students shouldn't count in the figures at all, would shave ~100k of the number, I'm surprised by one has done that already and said look hoe much we've got immigration down, be the first thing I did. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:25 - Nov 3 with 1710 views | sherpajacob | There's a young Polish lad plays in my son's under 8s. He is sh1t hot. I can easily see him becoming a pro, and who knows a welsh international if his family stay in the UK. He's a nice kid and his dad is a top bloke. Plenty more like them would be welcome in my view. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:37 - Nov 3 with 1689 views | Lohengrin |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:25 - Nov 3 by sherpajacob | There's a young Polish lad plays in my son's under 8s. He is sh1t hot. I can easily see him becoming a pro, and who knows a welsh international if his family stay in the UK. He's a nice kid and his dad is a top bloke. Plenty more like them would be welcome in my view. |
I've just come home from a funeral where there was quite a heated discussion about immigration in the bar afterwards. Nobody there mentioned Poles. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks, Sherpa. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:59 - Nov 3 with 1657 views | londonlisa2001 |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:37 - Nov 3 by Lohengrin | I've just come home from a funeral where there was quite a heated discussion about immigration in the bar afterwards. Nobody there mentioned Poles. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks, Sherpa. |
I can imagine. I do hope they refuse when the immigrants they dislike are their best chance of getting a new hip or for that matter a heart operation in Morriston or Singleton. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 20:03 - Nov 3 with 1654 views | Lohengrin |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 19:59 - Nov 3 by londonlisa2001 | I can imagine. I do hope they refuse when the immigrants they dislike are their best chance of getting a new hip or for that matter a heart operation in Morriston or Singleton. |
Actually they were more concerned about heroin dealing than hip ops. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 20:14 - Nov 3 with 1639 views | Clinton | The remain argument Is that most immigrants come to work and pay more in taxes than they consume in resources. Most industrialists and employers see immigration as an unequivocally positive thing. Trendy metropolitan types with beards point out the benefits of the far superior cultural diversity. On that basis if we let in about 10 million a year, we will be a very rich country, and all sitting out in pavement cafes nibbling the latest exotic delicacies. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 21:06 - Nov 3 with 1603 views | westside | Prime Minister May said immigration would be reduced to tens of thousands. But no mention of the process of how they would determine a suitable figure for immigration or why they came up with a figure of tens of thousands or no date when they will deliver this. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 21:42 - Nov 3 with 1584 views | Swanzay | Voting for Brexit, had nothing to do with immigration for me, far more today about how we are being screwed by the EU and large corporations. If people have to leave war torn countries because of the mess the "UK" put them in for greed and lies, hey we were in most part the instigators of this,just the politicians didn't see it coming! | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 22:10 - Nov 3 with 1557 views | Nookiejack | Seems to be a lot of NEETs in our country who could work? NEET: Young People Not in Education, Employment or Training http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06705 Can't we just improve our own education system in this country.? Apparently 5 million in the UK only have a reading age of 11 or less. http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/adult_literacy/illiterate_adults_in_england Yet NHS recruits nurses from a developing country like the Philippines and hadn't contributed to any of the associated training costs - which seems scandalous. How many people do we want in UK isn't our population density already highest in Europe excluding Belgium and Holland. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/356 World population is expected to grow to 9.7 billion by 2050. http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/news/population/2015-report.html 'Most of the projected increase in the world’s population can be attributed to a short list of high-fertility countries, mainly in Africa, or countries with already large populations. During 2015-2050, half of the world’s population growth is expected to be concentrated in nine countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, United Republic of Tanzania, United States of America (USA), Indonesia and Uganda, listed according to the size of their contribution to the total growth.' So expect a lot more migration. World is becoming more crowded which is likely for less wealth to be shared around. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 22:13 - Nov 3 with 1550 views | Nookiejack |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 22:10 - Nov 3 by Nookiejack | Seems to be a lot of NEETs in our country who could work? NEET: Young People Not in Education, Employment or Training http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06705 Can't we just improve our own education system in this country.? Apparently 5 million in the UK only have a reading age of 11 or less. http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/adult_literacy/illiterate_adults_in_england Yet NHS recruits nurses from a developing country like the Philippines and hadn't contributed to any of the associated training costs - which seems scandalous. How many people do we want in UK isn't our population density already highest in Europe excluding Belgium and Holland. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/356 World population is expected to grow to 9.7 billion by 2050. http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/news/population/2015-report.html 'Most of the projected increase in the world’s population can be attributed to a short list of high-fertility countries, mainly in Africa, or countries with already large populations. During 2015-2050, half of the world’s population growth is expected to be concentrated in nine countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, United Republic of Tanzania, United States of America (USA), Indonesia and Uganda, listed according to the size of their contribution to the total growth.' So expect a lot more migration. World is becoming more crowded which is likely for less wealth to be shared around. |
.......world is being more crowded so likely to be less wealth per head. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 22:33 - Nov 3 with 1516 views | yescomeon | I tend to think of migration as like osmosis (osmosis - noun - BIOLOGY CHEMISTRY - a process by which molecules of a solvent tend to pass through a semipermeable membrane from a less concentrated solution into a more concentrated one.) where in the analogy concentration of the solution reflects wealth. So unless there is an international re-distribution of wealth, immigration has to be accepted as a fact of life, a law of nature. I'm not sure I think there should be any limit on immigration myself, a natural equilibrium will be found over time. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 23:01 - Nov 3 with 1495 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar | I believe we should only allow immigration in for people who have a job waiting for them and it is a job we are in short supply of people for. I also believe we should admit our fair share of child refugees. I am not talking about refugees from Calais. I mean the actual orphaned children from war torn countries, such as Syria, who are stuck in camps in the Middle East. Men capable of travelling on their own from Syria to Calais certainly are not in need of special assistance. The children left in those awful countries are. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 23:08 - Nov 3 with 1483 views | Highjack |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 22:33 - Nov 3 by yescomeon | I tend to think of migration as like osmosis (osmosis - noun - BIOLOGY CHEMISTRY - a process by which molecules of a solvent tend to pass through a semipermeable membrane from a less concentrated solution into a more concentrated one.) where in the analogy concentration of the solution reflects wealth. So unless there is an international re-distribution of wealth, immigration has to be accepted as a fact of life, a law of nature. I'm not sure I think there should be any limit on immigration myself, a natural equilibrium will be found over time. |
Good analogy until cytolysis occurs. | |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 13:45 - Nov 4 with 1379 views | westside |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 21:42 - Nov 3 by Swanzay | Voting for Brexit, had nothing to do with immigration for me, far more today about how we are being screwed by the EU and large corporations. If people have to leave war torn countries because of the mess the "UK" put them in for greed and lies, hey we were in most part the instigators of this,just the politicians didn't see it coming! |
We'll be screwed by big corporations and foreign governments now. Big corporations like Nissan can tell the government what they want and the Chinese government can do the same to build hinkley point. Brexit will mean less control and less influence with the big corporations and foreign governments having us over a barrel. We'll just become more isolated and a country run for big business, foreign power and the wealthy elite while everyone else will become worst off with less opportunities. | | | |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 16:20 - Nov 4 with 1328 views | Groo |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 13:45 - Nov 4 by westside | We'll be screwed by big corporations and foreign governments now. Big corporations like Nissan can tell the government what they want and the Chinese government can do the same to build hinkley point. Brexit will mean less control and less influence with the big corporations and foreign governments having us over a barrel. We'll just become more isolated and a country run for big business, foreign power and the wealthy elite while everyone else will become worst off with less opportunities. |
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BREXIT - the Immigration question on 16:57 - Nov 4 with 1302 views | Jack_Meoff |
BREXIT - the Immigration question on 13:45 - Nov 4 by westside | We'll be screwed by big corporations and foreign governments now. Big corporations like Nissan can tell the government what they want and the Chinese government can do the same to build hinkley point. Brexit will mean less control and less influence with the big corporations and foreign governments having us over a barrel. We'll just become more isolated and a country run for big business, foreign power and the wealthy elite while everyone else will become worst off with less opportunities. |
We already are those things, and have been for decades since Neoliberalism became the dominant ideology. Think Whitehall serves the best interests of the populace? | |
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