| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel 17:23 - Jan 31 with 12799 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
As I'm sure many are aware, if you have visited Israel, and have evidence of it on your passport, you cannot visit Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Meanwhile, 16 Muslim states, including Yemen, Iran, Iraq and Syria have a blanket ban on Israelis entering their countries.
Apparently this is okay though and not worthy of all these protests or continuous media reports. Where are the protests at Dubai airport, in Doha, in Riyadh? There's no protests because in those countries you'll be jailed for years for doing so. Why so many are defending these backwards countries and their medieval laws baffles me.
Does anybody know when the protest against this racist blanket ban of Jews is happening? Has Lily Allen set a date yet? |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 17:30 - Jan 31 with 4852 views | nice_to_michu |
Those countries you are referring to have enacted this travel ban with Israel because they agree with the United Nations that the Israeli govt. is breaking international law, so they have enacted these sanctions and will lift them once Israel changes its policy towards new settlements etc.
I'm not passing judgement on that, just saying how it is.
It is a completely different situation with Trump, he is not disagreeing with those countries on account of their respect or disrespect for international law. |  | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:17 - Jan 31 with 4804 views | perchrockjack |
Have to say a,great post Dwight and one that will not impress the PS stadium.
They re socialists and ergo better human beings than us |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:21 - Jan 31 with 4798 views | LeonWasGod |
Who are the "so many" who are defending them? |  | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:22 - Jan 31 with 4788 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 17:30 - Jan 31 by nice_to_michu |
Those countries you are referring to have enacted this travel ban with Israel because they agree with the United Nations that the Israeli govt. is breaking international law, so they have enacted these sanctions and will lift them once Israel changes its policy towards new settlements etc.
I'm not passing judgement on that, just saying how it is.
It is a completely different situation with Trump, he is not disagreeing with those countries on account of their respect or disrespect for international law. |
America broke international law when it bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital, when it conducted military raids in foreign countries without their permission etc. Other countries break international law all the time. Yet these countries I named have not banned citizens from other law breaking countries. They solely banned citizens of Israel, or anybody who has visited Israel (as that means they are likely Jewish). There'll be no big fuss made about that though. | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:23 - Jan 31 with 4788 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:21 - Jan 31 by LeonWasGod |
Who are the "so many" who are defending them? |
Here they are. You can't move on PS for them these days.
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:23 - Jan 31 with 4783 views | Humpty |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:17 - Jan 31 by perchrockjack |
Have to say a,great post Dwight and one that will not impress the PS stadium.
They re socialists and ergo better human beings than us |
What has criticism of Trumps travel ban got to do with socialism? |  | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:24 - Jan 31 with 4779 views | perchrockjack |
I D read some papers or watch the news but to answer your question,it's fashionable to hammer Israelis and Jews too.
No left winger would ever support Israel at anything anywhere any time. Glad to help
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:27 - Jan 31 with 4775 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:24 - Jan 31 by perchrockjack |
I D read some papers or watch the news but to answer your question,it's fashionable to hammer Israelis and Jews too.
No left winger would ever support Israel at anything anywhere any time. Glad to help
Hava nagila |
I fully support Israel's right to exist in peace as a nation. I don't support some of Israel's actions against its neighbours or some if its neighbours' actions against Israel. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 18:48]
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:30 - Jan 31 with 4761 views | perchrockjack |
Fair riposte, you re class Andrew.its a lovely here in den hage and just squabbling where to catch the swans ,Colin Scouse playing apparently | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:33 - Jan 31 with 4747 views | nice_to_michu |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:22 - Jan 31 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
America broke international law when it bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital, when it conducted military raids in foreign countries without their permission etc. Other countries break international law all the time. Yet these countries I named have not banned citizens from other law breaking countries. They solely banned citizens of Israel, or anybody who has visited Israel (as that means they are likely Jewish). There'll be no big fuss made about that though. |
That's your opinion of what an international law is or should be.
The UN has a formal position on Israeli settlements.
For what it's worth I'm very happy to call Israel an ally of Great Britain and believe that we should support their right to exist and right to defend itself etc etc. | | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:46 - Jan 31 with 4726 views | Humpty |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:24 - Jan 31 by perchrockjack |
I D read some papers or watch the news but to answer your question,it's fashionable to hammer Israelis and Jews too.
No left winger would ever support Israel at anything anywhere any time. Glad to help
Hava nagila |
"No left winger would ever support Israel at anything anywhere any time. Glad to help"
What about Labour friends of Israel?
http://www.lfi.org.uk/ | | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:51 - Jan 31 with 4713 views | Humpty |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:24 - Jan 31 by perchrockjack |
I D read some papers or watch the news but to answer your question,it's fashionable to hammer Israelis and Jews too.
No left winger would ever support Israel at anything anywhere any time. Glad to help
Hava nagila |
Or this bunch?
http://www.dsausa.org/gaza_and_israel_sorting_it_out | | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 19:11 - Jan 31 with 4697 views | builthjack |
It was a nightmare the first time I went to Israel. Strip searches, 4 hour interrogation, and kept an eye on during my stay.
Ok second time.
I didn't do the usual red sea touristy thing perhaps. |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 20:00 - Jan 31 with 4649 views | Jack_Kass |
Who would ever want to go to Israel anyway
Everyone wants to go to America. | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 23:12 - Jan 31 with 4554 views | skippyjack |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 19:11 - Jan 31 by builthjack |
It was a nightmare the first time I went to Israel. Strip searches, 4 hour interrogation, and kept an eye on during my stay.
Ok second time.
I didn't do the usual red sea touristy thing perhaps. |
Nope..the searches are done because they have been attacked by muslims for about 50 odd years.. and they have been attacking the Muslims since forever..
It's basically this..
Muslims believe that Israel's territory is their 'land' according to an ancient text that was supposedly written years ago.
Israel tend to believe their people are the chosen ones in Christ's name.. and the land is theirs by right.. according to a text that was supposedly written years ago.
Palestines and Israelites have been at it since the beginning of Christ apparently.. by some unsubstantiated ancient text.. that could've been written by some drunken fantasist..like Dylan Thomas.. look how many scholars were 'swayed' by his mutterings.
It's f*cking mental. |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 23:18 - Jan 31 with 4543 views | perchrockjack |
On this occasion ,skip is on the money | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 02:04 - Feb 1 with 4478 views | Ebo |
ok...
It would appear that Obama did take action in 2011 — though, as a direct result of finding two terrorist on US soil actively plotting to embark on attacking other humans. No such direct cause has been found for Trump's version.
It is worth noting that Obama's withdrawal of processing of visas had no affect on then current visas, and was not targeted overtly at singling out a religion — but safe guarding the country by taking stock of where things had clearly gone wrong and bad people had slipped through the net. No visa holding refugees were also permitted if they had passed the appropriate checks.
Trump’s ban, is targeted specifically at a religion — you can claim otherwise, and cherry pick, but the fact that preference is given to Christians (note, that’s a religion for those who aren’t familiar or who need to be pointed to the obvious) — means that you really can’t reasonably argue that this is not religious. It is, of course, up to you if you think that’s okay.
It’s also abundantly clear, the motivation behind this. Sure, security and such. Nice bonuses, of course.
Any person in their right mind can see the problem in radicalising people by cutting them off — regardless of their religion, or lack thereof, ostracising people has the affect of pissing them off. Angry people help terrorist. No, not because every angry Muslim is a closet terrorist — but because those people who are susceptible to being indoctrinated are more easily influenced when surrounded by the pain and suffering of people they identify with.
Those people who might become radical are helped by compassion, and education. They are helped by being part of a prosperous community, who share and experience freedom. They are helped by bonding with and connecting with strangers who are diametrically different to them, but are no less kind.
Trump said, and my words are not minced here — that he would get rid of the Muslims. Sure, this action doesn’t deliver 100% of his apparent campaign pledge — but, it stops a huge number of Muslims. Not only that, as evidenced, he gets to pin it on Obama. Him and his cronies, and various others alike get to point the finger back and claim hypocrisy.
He gets to claim that money is not the motivation — having taken advantage of the rather fortunate coincidence that those countries not on the list (that Obama made) are host to some of his businesses (lets not even get into the conflict of interest in that). It is, because these are the places where training of terrorists occurs — which is true enough. A vary advantageous truth at that.
How happy he was to have found a head-start [Post edited 1 Feb 2017 2:10]
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 11:37 - Feb 1 with 4382 views | Flashberryjack |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 20:00 - Jan 31 by Jack_Kass |
Who would ever want to go to Israel anyway
Everyone wants to go to America. |
It was quite popular back in 1967 with Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians....but they can't of liked it much, they didn't stay long. |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 12:01 - Feb 1 with 4366 views | Pegojack |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 23:12 - Jan 31 by skippyjack |
Nope..the searches are done because they have been attacked by muslims for about 50 odd years.. and they have been attacking the Muslims since forever..
It's basically this..
Muslims believe that Israel's territory is their 'land' according to an ancient text that was supposedly written years ago.
Israel tend to believe their people are the chosen ones in Christ's name.. and the land is theirs by right.. according to a text that was supposedly written years ago.
Palestines and Israelites have been at it since the beginning of Christ apparently.. by some unsubstantiated ancient text.. that could've been written by some drunken fantasist..like Dylan Thomas.. look how many scholars were 'swayed' by his mutterings.
It's f*cking mental. |
I knew Dylan Thomas would be at the bottom of it, the drunken fecker...... |  | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:35 - Feb 1 with 4266 views | DafyddHuw |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:17 - Jan 31 by perchrockjack |
Have to say a,great post Dwight and one that will not impress the PS stadium.
They re socialists and ergo better human beings than us |
I knew you'd get ther in the end, Perch. |  | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 18:58 - Feb 1 with 4246 views | perchrockjack |
There ya go, Hugh | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:02 - Feb 2 with 4175 views | Loyal |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 17:30 - Jan 31 by nice_to_michu |
Those countries you are referring to have enacted this travel ban with Israel because they agree with the United Nations that the Israeli govt. is breaking international law, so they have enacted these sanctions and will lift them once Israel changes its policy towards new settlements etc.
I'm not passing judgement on that, just saying how it is.
It is a completely different situation with Trump, he is not disagreeing with those countries on account of their respect or disrespect for international law. |
It's odd that the left have an issue with Jews.
It is very odd indeed. |  |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:12 - Feb 2 with 4159 views | blueytheblue |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:02 - Feb 2 by Loyal |
It's odd that the left have an issue with Jews.
It is very odd indeed. |
Those Arab nations aren't banning Israelis or those who visit Israel due to "settlements" or any other convenient excuse given.
They ban because they don't recognise Israel. Nothing more, nothing less.
Those believing or perpetuating the excuse of "settlements" are merely victim blaming - and if the same was applied to say seven nations having nationals temporarily banned because "terrorism" would be complaining and protecting vociferously about it. Oh wait... | |
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| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:13 - Feb 2 with 4157 views | nice_to_michu |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:02 - Feb 2 by Loyal |
It's odd that the left have an issue with Jews.
It is very odd indeed. |
I don't have an issue with Jewish people. I'm explicitly pro Israel and support their right to exist and hope that they respect international law etc. | | | |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:18 - Feb 2 with 4148 views | Flashberryjack |
| Donald Trump's travel ban is what many Muslim countries have done to Israel on 13:13 - Feb 2 by nice_to_michu |
I don't have an issue with Jewish people. I'm explicitly pro Israel and support their right to exist and hope that they respect international law etc. |
Just as the Arab countries do? | |
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