| Major Trauma Centre 09:18 - Mar 30 with 22793 views | johnlangy |
A debate has started to make the decision as to whether the Major Trauma Centre for South Wales should be based at Morriston or the Heath.
This will be well worth keeping an eye on because it's a decision that could affect the health of any of us or members of our families. The question about spread of investment by the WAG doesn't just mean new roads and jobs. |  | | |  |
| Major Trauma Centre on 08:42 - Mar 24 with 2587 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Major Trauma Centre on 11:57 - Mar 23 by union_jack |
As much as I hate the WG (is that ok Cudey😄?) And I'd abolish them today if I could, I don't think your last paragraph is in anyway accurate.
It is however to do with Cardiff must have everything and it would be ignominious for Cardiff residents to have to travel outside of their are to access an MTC. This is not tongue in cheek. The WG want Cardiff to gave one of everything if if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Having to travel from Cardiff to Swansea for pity's sake would send them into a frenzy.
WG are creating a city state and the rest of us can go to hell. It's not even disguised that much anymore.
And as to the independent expert advice. Judgement can only be made with the facts presented. So let's say a report for recommendation was commissioned by a Swansea biased government as thing are as they are today. If that's what they want to be recommended that is what will happen. Independent my fat shiny one! It's beyond a joke now and we're being laughed at. |
That's funny. Apart from the AM mentioning you're both saying exactly the same thing. Or were you being sarcastic?? |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 09:07 - Mar 24 with 2568 views | Private_Partz |
| Major Trauma Centre on 08:39 - Mar 24 by Brynmill_Jack |
This could be bad news for you Jim. You might die in the back of an ambulance while the paramedics argue which trauma center is the nearest and easiest to get to. Bristol or Cardiff???? |
Ha ha. Joking aside you make a good point. The Cardiff MTC will cover vast swathes of Bristol and it's surrounds as well so both cities will have the best coverage in the UK. |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 16:44 - Mar 29 with 2459 views | Private_Partz |
Abertawe Bro and Hywel Dda Health Boards (Swansea and Cardigan) have voted for a Cardiff MTC by a majority!!
It seems there will be Adult and Child MTCs in Cardiff thereby duplicating the Bristol services.
Morriston will have a Major Trauma Unit (MTC lite) .
It seems a very expensive overkill to me to ensure Cardiff get the cream. A complete dogs dinner with 5 Trauma establishments within 60 miles of each other.
You would almost think palms have been crossed with silver
I am open to correction on this as it seems all very cloak and dagger.
Despite getting bad press from me, Mike Hedges is one of the few to express concerns on this. Whether it is sufficent just to moan on his Twitter account is another matter..
What the other parts of Wales, who rely on Stoke and Liverpool, feel I shudder to think...... [Post edited 29 Mar 2018 16:55]
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| Major Trauma Centre on 21:17 - Mar 29 with 2406 views | Private_Partz |
For those that are interested (not many I guess) here is the WOL report. it seems pressure was put on Health Boards and the idiots that abstained because they disagreed with procedures allowed it to go through unchallenged.......
Health boards across south Wales have approved plans to site Wales' first major trauma centre in Cardiff.
The facility will be a 24-hour trauma centre for the most critically-ill casualties serving all of south and mid Wales.
Swansea, which had put in a bid to host the facillity, will have an enhanced trauma unit to support Cardiff.
There was opposition in Swansea to Cardiff winning the bid and Abertawe Bro Morgannwg health board (ABMU) only approved the Cardiff option by a majority vote after two members objected and one abstained.
North Wales is served by the major trauma network in the west Midlands.
A panel of experts had recommended the major trauma unit should be in Cardiff because of the hospital's expertise in treating head injuries.
The business case still needs to be approved by the Welsh Government.
Plaid AM Dr Dai Lloyd accused the ABMU and Hywel Dda health boards of caving into pressure.
He said: ""It is hugely disappointing that both Abertawe Bro Morgannwg and Hywel Dda Health Boards have today decided to cave in to pressure, and fail to stand up for patients in south west Wales.
"This is yet another slap in the face for people in Swansea and south west Wales who are seeing more and more services moving to Cardiff under this Labour Welsh Government."
What is a major trauma centre
Major trauma describes serious and often multiple injuries where there is a strong possibility of death or disability.
These might include serious head, chest, abdominal and skeletal injuries sustained as a result of accidents, sport or violence.
Major trauma is the main cause of death for people under the age of 45 and is a major cause of debilitating long term injuries. More than half of major trauma is caused by road traffic accidents.
A major trauma centre (MTC) is part of a major trauma network.
It is a specialist hospital responsible for the care of the most severely injured patients involved in major trauma.
It provides 24/7 emergency access to consultant-delivered care for a wide range of specialist clinical services and expertise.
A major trauma unit is a hospital that is part of the major trauma network providing care for all except the most severe major trauma patients.
International experience of implementing major trauma networks has seen a 15 - 25 percent decrease in mortality over a period of five years.
What Cardiff and Vale said
Maria Battle, chairwoman of the health board, told a board meeting today: “This is a major step forward in saving lives in our county.”
Dr Graham Shortland, medical director, told the meeting that major trauma centres have increased the survival rates of patients with the most severe forms of trauma by 15-20 per cent.
He said hospitals with major trauma centres “have seen that as a positive driver for staff recruitment.”
“I think there’s a huge benefit in terms of attracting staff into the organisation with the major trauma centre,” he said.
The meeting heard that the public has “overwhelmingly supported” the establishment of a major trauma centre.
What ABMU said
Abertawe Bro Morgannwg University (ABMU) Health Board members voted in favour, although there were two objections and one abstention.
Swansea University professor Ceri Phillips, who is a non-officer ABMU board member, abstained from voting on the Cardiff recommendation, claiming the whole process was “fundamentally flawed” because the cost of creating the centre and network was not known.
Professor Phillips said: “There will be additional costs. It seems we are deciding about where we are putting it, and then we find out about the costs.
“I can’t subscribe to establishing any major capital scheme if I don’t know what the expenditure is going to be. I think this is fundamentally flawed.
“It just smacks of politics trumping economics again, and that is fundamentally wrong as far as I am concerned.”
ABMU medical director Hamish Laing said around 1,000 patients in the region per year would benefit from the new major trauma network.
He said there were strong arguments for citing the centre in Morriston Hospital and also the University Hospital of Wales, and stressed the Cardiff recommendation had a sound clinical basis because of its co-location with neurosurgery services. Mr Laing said there was no suggestion that Morriston Hospital would lose other services as a result.
He added that Wales’ flying doctors would play an important role in treating and transporting patients who had suffered a major trauma, and that the new network would have a strong focus on patient rehabilitation.
What Hywel Dda said
The Health Board saidit will be addressing any areas of concern expressed as part of the consultation, particularly around access to the services for rural communities.
Dr Phil Kloer, the Health Board’s Medical Director and Director of Clinical Services Strategy, said: “I will be working closely with colleagues across Wales on implementation and my focus will be on ensuring our rural population here in west Wales has access to these services, with a view to moving towards establishing EMRTS as a 24/7 service; improving access to specialist rehabilitation; and on ensuring the accommodation needs of families visiting relatives is addressed.”
Cwm Taf approves the plan
Cwm Taf health board backed the plans for a new major trauma centre to be located in Cardiff after hearing it will "save lives" in the region.
Allison Williams, chief executive of Cwm Taf health board said that there was evidence that outcomes for patients are better under a network.
She said: "More patients survive and have better outcomes.
"As a health board it is our duty to make the right decision for Cwm Taf patients."
She told the board that major trauma affects 400 people a year in Wales and the vast majority who suffer head and chest injuries are transferred into Cardiff at the moment.
Ms Williams added that there had been "overwhelmingly positive" feedback from Cwm Taf residents during the 12 week consultation to the idea of a network.
Cwm Taf Community Health Council says that 71 per cent of people who responded to their consultation agreed with bringing in the network.
But concerns had been raised by Cwm Taf Community Health Council around the availability of emergency medical retrieval services such as land ambulances and air ambulances, the potential overload of Cardiff services, concerns about transport infrastructure and the financial implications of the decision.
But Ms Williams said there could possibly be less demand for ambulance transfers as a result of the network and that no capital costs had been finalised for the project yet but that indicative assessments had been carried out.
She said: "The centre is only part of the network. It is our duty to make a decision in the best interests of our population in the context of south Wales.
"To delay would continue to disadvantage patients when the evidence is very strong."
Board member Paul Griffiths said: "More patients will be saved in the major trauma network.
"South and west Wales and south Powys is the only region that doesn't have one.
"It is something that needs to be put right as quickly as possible.
"It is extremely credible and overdue.
"If we delay we would be doing a grave disservice."
Fellow board member Keiron Montague said: "This is going to save lives in Cwm Taf." | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 21:38 - Mar 29 with 2386 views | Banosswan |
| Major Trauma Centre on 21:17 - Mar 29 by Private_Partz |
For those that are interested (not many I guess) here is the WOL report. it seems pressure was put on Health Boards and the idiots that abstained because they disagreed with procedures allowed it to go through unchallenged.......
Health boards across south Wales have approved plans to site Wales' first major trauma centre in Cardiff.
The facility will be a 24-hour trauma centre for the most critically-ill casualties serving all of south and mid Wales.
Swansea, which had put in a bid to host the facillity, will have an enhanced trauma unit to support Cardiff.
There was opposition in Swansea to Cardiff winning the bid and Abertawe Bro Morgannwg health board (ABMU) only approved the Cardiff option by a majority vote after two members objected and one abstained.
North Wales is served by the major trauma network in the west Midlands.
A panel of experts had recommended the major trauma unit should be in Cardiff because of the hospital's expertise in treating head injuries.
The business case still needs to be approved by the Welsh Government.
Plaid AM Dr Dai Lloyd accused the ABMU and Hywel Dda health boards of caving into pressure.
He said: ""It is hugely disappointing that both Abertawe Bro Morgannwg and Hywel Dda Health Boards have today decided to cave in to pressure, and fail to stand up for patients in south west Wales.
"This is yet another slap in the face for people in Swansea and south west Wales who are seeing more and more services moving to Cardiff under this Labour Welsh Government."
What is a major trauma centre
Major trauma describes serious and often multiple injuries where there is a strong possibility of death or disability.
These might include serious head, chest, abdominal and skeletal injuries sustained as a result of accidents, sport or violence.
Major trauma is the main cause of death for people under the age of 45 and is a major cause of debilitating long term injuries. More than half of major trauma is caused by road traffic accidents.
A major trauma centre (MTC) is part of a major trauma network.
It is a specialist hospital responsible for the care of the most severely injured patients involved in major trauma.
It provides 24/7 emergency access to consultant-delivered care for a wide range of specialist clinical services and expertise.
A major trauma unit is a hospital that is part of the major trauma network providing care for all except the most severe major trauma patients.
International experience of implementing major trauma networks has seen a 15 - 25 percent decrease in mortality over a period of five years.
What Cardiff and Vale said
Maria Battle, chairwoman of the health board, told a board meeting today: “This is a major step forward in saving lives in our county.”
Dr Graham Shortland, medical director, told the meeting that major trauma centres have increased the survival rates of patients with the most severe forms of trauma by 15-20 per cent.
He said hospitals with major trauma centres “have seen that as a positive driver for staff recruitment.”
“I think there’s a huge benefit in terms of attracting staff into the organisation with the major trauma centre,” he said.
The meeting heard that the public has “overwhelmingly supported” the establishment of a major trauma centre.
What ABMU said
Abertawe Bro Morgannwg University (ABMU) Health Board members voted in favour, although there were two objections and one abstention.
Swansea University professor Ceri Phillips, who is a non-officer ABMU board member, abstained from voting on the Cardiff recommendation, claiming the whole process was “fundamentally flawed” because the cost of creating the centre and network was not known.
Professor Phillips said: “There will be additional costs. It seems we are deciding about where we are putting it, and then we find out about the costs.
“I can’t subscribe to establishing any major capital scheme if I don’t know what the expenditure is going to be. I think this is fundamentally flawed.
“It just smacks of politics trumping economics again, and that is fundamentally wrong as far as I am concerned.”
ABMU medical director Hamish Laing said around 1,000 patients in the region per year would benefit from the new major trauma network.
He said there were strong arguments for citing the centre in Morriston Hospital and also the University Hospital of Wales, and stressed the Cardiff recommendation had a sound clinical basis because of its co-location with neurosurgery services. Mr Laing said there was no suggestion that Morriston Hospital would lose other services as a result.
He added that Wales’ flying doctors would play an important role in treating and transporting patients who had suffered a major trauma, and that the new network would have a strong focus on patient rehabilitation.
What Hywel Dda said
The Health Board saidit will be addressing any areas of concern expressed as part of the consultation, particularly around access to the services for rural communities.
Dr Phil Kloer, the Health Board’s Medical Director and Director of Clinical Services Strategy, said: “I will be working closely with colleagues across Wales on implementation and my focus will be on ensuring our rural population here in west Wales has access to these services, with a view to moving towards establishing EMRTS as a 24/7 service; improving access to specialist rehabilitation; and on ensuring the accommodation needs of families visiting relatives is addressed.”
Cwm Taf approves the plan
Cwm Taf health board backed the plans for a new major trauma centre to be located in Cardiff after hearing it will "save lives" in the region.
Allison Williams, chief executive of Cwm Taf health board said that there was evidence that outcomes for patients are better under a network.
She said: "More patients survive and have better outcomes.
"As a health board it is our duty to make the right decision for Cwm Taf patients."
She told the board that major trauma affects 400 people a year in Wales and the vast majority who suffer head and chest injuries are transferred into Cardiff at the moment.
Ms Williams added that there had been "overwhelmingly positive" feedback from Cwm Taf residents during the 12 week consultation to the idea of a network.
Cwm Taf Community Health Council says that 71 per cent of people who responded to their consultation agreed with bringing in the network.
But concerns had been raised by Cwm Taf Community Health Council around the availability of emergency medical retrieval services such as land ambulances and air ambulances, the potential overload of Cardiff services, concerns about transport infrastructure and the financial implications of the decision.
But Ms Williams said there could possibly be less demand for ambulance transfers as a result of the network and that no capital costs had been finalised for the project yet but that indicative assessments had been carried out.
She said: "The centre is only part of the network. It is our duty to make a decision in the best interests of our population in the context of south Wales.
"To delay would continue to disadvantage patients when the evidence is very strong."
Board member Paul Griffiths said: "More patients will be saved in the major trauma network.
"South and west Wales and south Powys is the only region that doesn't have one.
"It is something that needs to be put right as quickly as possible.
"It is extremely credible and overdue.
"If we delay we would be doing a grave disservice."
Fellow board member Keiron Montague said: "This is going to save lives in Cwm Taf." |
I've had dealings with Hamish Laing and wasn't impressed. To hear he's ABMU medical director is unbelievable. |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 21:38 - Mar 29 by Banosswan |
I've had dealings with Hamish Laing and wasn't impressed. To hear he's ABMU medical director is unbelievable. |
Interesting. He forgot to mention the neurosurgery services were stolen off us previously. The main thrust of his argument for Cardiff.
I bet we don't get a MTC lite plus the Burns and Plastics Unit will head up the M4 in a few years time.
I have just asked Dai Lloyd what pressures were being put on the Health Boards, and by whom. Not sure if I will get a reply....... [Post edited 29 Mar 2018 21:45]
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| Major Trauma Centre on 01:10 - Mar 30 with 2349 views | clloy2 |
| Major Trauma Centre on 21:45 - Mar 29 by Private_Partz |
Interesting. He forgot to mention the neurosurgery services were stolen off us previously. The main thrust of his argument for Cardiff.
I bet we don't get a MTC lite plus the Burns and Plastics Unit will head up the M4 in a few years time.
I have just asked Dai Lloyd what pressures were being put on the Health Boards, and by whom. Not sure if I will get a reply....... [Post edited 29 Mar 2018 21:45]
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All good points from many posters. Once again its the drip , drip drip effect of everything must be based in Cardiff. Why because that's where all the money, power and influence is. Look at the papers today- Theresa May personally canceled the High speed link to Swansea, which was probably done so on the knowledge that it wouldn't have a negative effect on any Tory seats because this area is a staunch Labour stronghold, yet at the end of the day, Welsh Labour don't give a dam about Swansea, its all centred on growing Cardiff. My real frustration, is with the voters of Swansea who continue to vote these career labour politicians in, knowing full well they will not fight for Swansea, for fear of being ruled out of some lucrative LabourWAG cabinet post in the future.
I don't know what the political answer is, but what I do know, is that Swansea and S. West Wales is going backwards at the rate of knots, and whilst Labour govern Swansea and SW. Wales we have to watch on in total frustration. | | | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 01:10 - Mar 30 by clloy2 |
All good points from many posters. Once again its the drip , drip drip effect of everything must be based in Cardiff. Why because that's where all the money, power and influence is. Look at the papers today- Theresa May personally canceled the High speed link to Swansea, which was probably done so on the knowledge that it wouldn't have a negative effect on any Tory seats because this area is a staunch Labour stronghold, yet at the end of the day, Welsh Labour don't give a dam about Swansea, its all centred on growing Cardiff. My real frustration, is with the voters of Swansea who continue to vote these career labour politicians in, knowing full well they will not fight for Swansea, for fear of being ruled out of some lucrative LabourWAG cabinet post in the future.
I don't know what the political answer is, but what I do know, is that Swansea and S. West Wales is going backwards at the rate of knots, and whilst Labour govern Swansea and SW. Wales we have to watch on in total frustration. |
Another post right on the pulse. Pun not intended.
It's up to us to stop voting Welsh Labour. Get the activists involved in the local branches and deselect the Charlatans.
Not just Welsh Labour. I know Trampie is always trumpeting Leanne Wood but her fine words at the start of term and in Party conferences is just not good enough. The self proclaimed Party of Wales really needs to start behaving like one. Dai Lloyd is a lone voice it seems.
Don't let the local politicians, who knock your door asking about drains and street lights at election time, get away with it either. They all sit on their hands as well in the hope they too can follow Mike Hedges into Cardiff Bay with a rock solid majority...... | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 21:00 - Mar 30 with 2283 views | Banosswan |
| Major Trauma Centre on 09:00 - Mar 30 by Private_Partz |
Another post right on the pulse. Pun not intended.
It's up to us to stop voting Welsh Labour. Get the activists involved in the local branches and deselect the Charlatans.
Not just Welsh Labour. I know Trampie is always trumpeting Leanne Wood but her fine words at the start of term and in Party conferences is just not good enough. The self proclaimed Party of Wales really needs to start behaving like one. Dai Lloyd is a lone voice it seems.
Don't let the local politicians, who knock your door asking about drains and street lights at election time, get away with it either. They all sit on their hands as well in the hope they too can follow Mike Hedges into Cardiff Bay with a rock solid majority...... |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/another-slap-face-swansea-reaction
Article on Wales online not open to comments. Almost as if the media are complicit..... | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:18 - Mar 30 with 2261 views | CopperJack |
Out of curiosity, how many here have emailed/tweeted their AMs for a response? Tweeting is nice and public and we want to shame them for being complicit in endangering their constituents. Really disappointed with ABMU.
I got to be honest, it’s kind of beaten me. At some point, the cretins who voted labour will need this MTC, maybe their loved ones, and they’ll be so angry it’s so far away. And they voted for it, by electing this government. You get the government you deserve, and frankly, Swansea is so bloody thick that it deserves to have its health endangered because they continue to vote in a party that treats us with negligence. Nothing will ever change, and it makes me despair. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:19 - Mar 30 with 2260 views | Private_Partz |
Thanks for the link. I reckon this story will be pulled pdq by WOL.
It is interesting that all the protests are coming from the Tories, Lib Dems and Plaid. Calling for the resignation of the ABMU guy no less.
Not a peep from Welsh Labour. I have seen a couple of tweets from Mike Hedges but he is firmly back in Charity Coffee Morning mode now.
The timing of this announcement is interesting as well. Just before Easter thereby allowing some of the heat to die down.
SWEP have covered it though......on page 9 after the cats stuck up trees stories. This confirms for me that they are nothing more than a Cardiff based and biased rag now whose sole purpose is to serve the Centric cause. [Post edited 30 Mar 2018 22:54]
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:26 - Mar 30 with 2249 views | Dr_Winston |
The family of anyone who dies as a result of this decision need to take legal action to demand answers as to why a MTC has been set up within 20 air miles of another one leaving most of West Wales completely uncovered.
The people responsible for this decision need to be voted onto the dole queue. It won't happen though. |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:34 - Mar 30 with 2239 views | CopperJack |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:26 - Mar 30 by Dr_Winston |
The family of anyone who dies as a result of this decision need to take legal action to demand answers as to why a MTC has been set up within 20 air miles of another one leaving most of West Wales completely uncovered.
The people responsible for this decision need to be voted onto the dole queue. It won't happen though. |
We’re responsible for this. We voted them in despite the fact they’ve been doing this for 20 years. We can’t claim we didn’t see this coming. People here are too stupid to actually notice. Everyone in Swansea complains that Cardiff gets everything but do nothing about it, and vote for the party that gives Cardiff everything. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. A self-created tragedy.
As I said, beyond the usual suspects on here that share my disdain for the way Welsh Labour is destroying our country, I doubt anyone will have messaged, tweeted, or made any complaint outside this forum. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:39 - Mar 30 with 2227 views | trampie |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:34 - Mar 30 by CopperJack |
We’re responsible for this. We voted them in despite the fact they’ve been doing this for 20 years. We can’t claim we didn’t see this coming. People here are too stupid to actually notice. Everyone in Swansea complains that Cardiff gets everything but do nothing about it, and vote for the party that gives Cardiff everything. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. A self-created tragedy.
As I said, beyond the usual suspects on here that share my disdain for the way Welsh Labour is destroying our country, I doubt anyone will have messaged, tweeted, or made any complaint outside this forum. |
So you vote Plaid then do you ? |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:40 - Mar 30 with 2227 views | Dr_Winston |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:34 - Mar 30 by CopperJack |
We’re responsible for this. We voted them in despite the fact they’ve been doing this for 20 years. We can’t claim we didn’t see this coming. People here are too stupid to actually notice. Everyone in Swansea complains that Cardiff gets everything but do nothing about it, and vote for the party that gives Cardiff everything. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. A self-created tragedy.
As I said, beyond the usual suspects on here that share my disdain for the way Welsh Labour is destroying our country, I doubt anyone will have messaged, tweeted, or made any complaint outside this forum. |
Swansea Council isn't entirely innocent in the lack of development. There's plenty of things they could do to improve matters, but when an entire political establishment is working towards the betterment of one city ahead of the rest of Wales then questions must be asked. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:47 - Mar 30 with 2218 views | CopperJack |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:40 - Mar 30 by Dr_Winston |
Swansea Council isn't entirely innocent in the lack of development. There's plenty of things they could do to improve matters, but when an entire political establishment is working towards the betterment of one city ahead of the rest of Wales then questions must be asked. |
No, they’re not, but there’s not much they can do when the political establishment all share the same goal - put Wales into managed decline and turn Cardiff into a city state. We know this, it’s been happening since 1997, and the atrocious thing is, we’ll vote for them again next time.
And Trampie, yes, in the last WAG elections, I voted Plaid. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:50 - Mar 30 with 2213 views | jack_lord |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:34 - Mar 30 by CopperJack |
We’re responsible for this. We voted them in despite the fact they’ve been doing this for 20 years. We can’t claim we didn’t see this coming. People here are too stupid to actually notice. Everyone in Swansea complains that Cardiff gets everything but do nothing about it, and vote for the party that gives Cardiff everything. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. A self-created tragedy.
As I said, beyond the usual suspects on here that share my disdain for the way Welsh Labour is destroying our country, I doubt anyone will have messaged, tweeted, or made any complaint outside this forum. |
I vote nationally based on my political belief and what is best for the constituency.
What I will vote in the Welsh elections going forward will contradict that.
Cardiff is on the opposite side of the country to a lot of the towns and villages in West Wales not to mention the thousands of holiday makers that swell the areas population in the summer months. Geographically talking, it is a decision of lunacy.
It really is a drip effect. |  |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 22:51 - Mar 30 with 2212 views | Private_Partz |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:18 - Mar 30 by CopperJack |
Out of curiosity, how many here have emailed/tweeted their AMs for a response? Tweeting is nice and public and we want to shame them for being complicit in endangering their constituents. Really disappointed with ABMU.
I got to be honest, it’s kind of beaten me. At some point, the cretins who voted labour will need this MTC, maybe their loved ones, and they’ll be so angry it’s so far away. And they voted for it, by electing this government. You get the government you deserve, and frankly, Swansea is so bloody thick that it deserves to have its health endangered because they continue to vote in a party that treats us with negligence. Nothing will ever change, and it makes me despair. |
I have been dragged kicking and screaming in to the world of Twitter CJ although my tweets are getting very little response from our Welsh Labour representatives, both Local and National.
I share your despair and frustration. Overwhelming sadness in fact at this decision.
Don't give up the fight though..
I have taken the liberty of reproducing the WOL article below as it is slipping very quickly down their site and will be lost soon..........................
The decision to create Wales’ first major trauma centre in Cardiff has prompted calls for a rethink, with some politicians arguing it would better serve more people by being based in Swansea.
Health boards across south Wales this week announced they had approved plans to site a 24-hour trauma centre for the most critically-ill casualties serving all of south and mid Wales in Cardiff , while Swansea , which had put in a bid to host the facillity, will have an enhanced trauma unit to support the one in the capital.
North Wales is served by the major trauma network in the west Midlands.
There was opposition in Swansea to Cardiff winning the bid and Abertawe Bro Morgannwg University Health Board (ABMU) only approved the Cardiff option by a majority vote after two members objected and one abstained.
The recommendations were generated by an independent panel of experts and formed the basis of a 12-week public consultation exercise which ended in February
In a statement from the NHS Wales Health Collaborative, which carries out regional or national work on behalf of health boards and NHS trusts, the group said: “This represents a major step forward in improving care for those patients who suffer a major trauma and we would like to thank everyone who has been involved in this process.”
But some politicians have criticised the decision, and there have been calls for the resignation of Andrew Davies, the chairman of ABMU.
In a joint statement, leader and deputy leader of the Conservative group in Swansea, Lyndon Jones and Myles Langstone said: “We think the decision to site the major trauma centre in Cardiff is wrong, because it has to service the whole of South and West Wales and being close to the M4 and the A465 Heads of the Valley Road, with a heli-pad already in place, Morriston Hospital is better placed to do that.
“The suggestion that a small unit would be placed at Morriston, is like accepting crumbs from the table.
“By placing the centre in Cardiff, residents in Gower and Swansea, let alone areas in West Wales like Haverfordwest and Pembroke , will face a considerable journey to the trauma centre and we believe this decision could cost lives. We also understand that this decision was made before any costs were attributed.
“Andrew Davies’ top priority should have been to champion the siting of the trauma centre at Morriston, so in view of this disgraceful decision, we are calling for him to resign, to allow a new chairman to be appointed who will put the people of Swansea and Gower first.”
Swansea Lib Dem leader, and former leader of Swansea Council, Councillor Chris Holley said: “No one west of Bridgend should be surprised that the major trauma unit is going to be Cardiff.
“This is not surprising given that Swansea lost a number of major medical units over the last 10 years.
“We cannot of course question the experts or the health boards because locally elected members are not allowed to scrutinise the health service yet we are the closest to our communities.”
And doctor and Plaid AM Dai Lloyd also criticised ABMU, and Hywel Dda health boards, for failing to continue their support of the Morriston Hospital bid.
He said: “It is hugely disappointing that both ABMU and Hywel Dda Health Boards have today decided to cave in to pressure and fail to stand up for patients in South West Wales.
“This is yet another slap in the face for people in Swansea and South West Wales who are seeing more and more services moving to Cardiff under this Labour Welsh Government.
“Morriston is in a central and accessible location in South Wales, meaning that more patients are within reach of the hospital within the ‘golden hour’, and it also provides more protection against the potential loss of the service to Bristol in any future trauma review.
The political decision to move neurosurgery and paediatric neurosurgery services from Morriston Hospital to Cardiff was taken just over a decade ago by the Labour Welsh Government, and that very move is now being used to justify the establishment of the major trauma centre in Cardiff instead of Swansea.
“Unfortunately, what we have seen is ABM and Hywel Dda Health Boards giving up on that case.
“What we see under this Labour-run Welsh Government is a trickle of services towards Cardiff. The Labour Government must recognise that there is life to the West of Cardiff, and show some strategic direction.” | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 23:19 - Mar 30 with 2194 views | Private_Partz |
| Major Trauma Centre on 22:39 - Mar 30 by trampie |
So you vote Plaid then do you ? |
I voted for them as well and I will do the same at the next Assembly election but a fat lot of good it is doing me.
Plaid really need to up their game.
On this occasion Dai Lloyd is a lone voice. Where is Leanne Wood in all this?
So far she has been as silent as any other line toeing Welsh Labour politician. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 23:29 - Mar 30 with 2180 views | trampie |
| Major Trauma Centre on 23:19 - Mar 30 by Private_Partz |
I voted for them as well and I will do the same at the next Assembly election but a fat lot of good it is doing me.
Plaid really need to up their game.
On this occasion Dai Lloyd is a lone voice. Where is Leanne Wood in all this?
So far she has been as silent as any other line toeing Welsh Labour politician. |
Dr Dai Lloyd is Swansea, Leanne is Rhondda, Leanne is leader of her party and that party always champion all of Wales and highlight disparities in spend, services, jobs etc in other parts of Wales compared to Cardiff. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 23:40 - Mar 30 with 2173 views | Private_Partz |
| Major Trauma Centre on 23:29 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Dr Dai Lloyd is Swansea, Leanne is Rhondda, Leanne is leader of her party and that party always champion all of Wales and highlight disparities in spend, services, jobs etc in other parts of Wales compared to Cardiff. |
..... and what better time is there for Leanne to champion this disparity with the lives of the Welsh public being put at risk..............?? | |
| You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
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| Major Trauma Centre on 23:58 - Mar 30 with 2159 views | trampie |
| Major Trauma Centre on 23:40 - Mar 30 by Private_Partz |
..... and what better time is there for Leanne to champion this disparity with the lives of the Welsh public being put at risk..............?? |
Labour and Tories are currently dominating at the expense of the other parties more than they have done for years, Plaid need to protect the seats they have got as people are currently voting for Labour and the Conservatives in large numbers, therefore the seats that Plaid do hold those politicians in those seats need to be careful what they say as to not upset the people in their area that voted for them as it will make things even worse for Wales if Labour and the Conservatives win even more seats.
Its a strategy, I'm not saying its Plaids strategy as I'm not a member or nothing but I heard that Plaid got caught out at council level a few years ago spending on an area that needed it and a neighbouring area that had voted Plaid didn't at the next election as most of the money had gone to a neighbouring area and not theirs, so tactics come into it looking at the big picture.
Swansea people vote Labour and that is the end of it, sorry to say, therefore everything is going to be centralised same with the Conservatives its what both parties do. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 00:05 - Mar 31 with 2152 views | Private_Partz |
| Major Trauma Centre on 23:58 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Labour and Tories are currently dominating at the expense of the other parties more than they have done for years, Plaid need to protect the seats they have got as people are currently voting for Labour and the Conservatives in large numbers, therefore the seats that Plaid do hold those politicians in those seats need to be careful what they say as to not upset the people in their area that voted for them as it will make things even worse for Wales if Labour and the Conservatives win even more seats.
Its a strategy, I'm not saying its Plaids strategy as I'm not a member or nothing but I heard that Plaid got caught out at council level a few years ago spending on an area that needed it and a neighbouring area that had voted Plaid didn't at the next election as most of the money had gone to a neighbouring area and not theirs, so tactics come into it looking at the big picture.
Swansea people vote Labour and that is the end of it, sorry to say, therefore everything is going to be centralised same with the Conservatives its what both parties do. |
Sorry Tramps but that is completely laughable.
Is Dai Lloyd going to be reprimanded by Leanne for breaking ranks and upsetting Welsh Labour voters?
As much as I like you I honestly hope you never become Plaid's publicity manager.
I am now seriously considering Lib Dem next time after reading that lot. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 00:27 - Mar 31 with 2142 views | jack_lord |
| Major Trauma Centre on 00:05 - Mar 31 by Private_Partz |
Sorry Tramps but that is completely laughable.
Is Dai Lloyd going to be reprimanded by Leanne for breaking ranks and upsetting Welsh Labour voters?
As much as I like you I honestly hope you never become Plaid's publicity manager.
I am now seriously considering Lib Dem next time after reading that lot. |
We need independent candidates that will outline their beliefs and how they will work for each constituency.
This Cardiff state at all costs has to stop. | |
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| Major Trauma Centre on 00:37 - Mar 31 with 2134 views | clloy2 |
| Major Trauma Centre on 00:05 - Mar 31 by Private_Partz |
Sorry Tramps but that is completely laughable.
Is Dai Lloyd going to be reprimanded by Leanne for breaking ranks and upsetting Welsh Labour voters?
As much as I like you I honestly hope you never become Plaid's publicity manager.
I am now seriously considering Lib Dem next time after reading that lot. |
As the bare minimum, our Labour Am's should be walking out of the WAG and resigning on mass. In reality I know it ain't going to happen. But why don't Plaid take the moral high ground, and call for a walk out in protest to yet another Cardiff centric based decision. After all, in the panels response to the siting of the new trauma unit, they were quite happy to acknowledge that our friends in North Wales would be able to travel to Birmingham for trauma response, yet in the same breath, Cardiff and SE Wales couldn't travel to Bristol, because they will justify putting one in Cardiff. This complete disregard for the rest of Wales just beggars belief.
I really think something significant needs to happen, either Plaid up there game, as others have said or we push for an independent SW. Wales political independent party, which unlike Labour will actually fight for this regions cause. People should be out on the doorsteps, questioning Labour voters, in that what has the Labour WAG done for SW. Wales, absolutely nothing. Don't voters realise, that where is the investment and jobs to ensure that our children and grandchildren can stay employed in Swansea and S.W Wales, as opposed to having to move away to find work. Its as basic as that. It does really make my blood boil.
How much would it cost to advertise at the next televised Swans game and have the advertising boards at pitch side say- "Whats good for Cardiff is good for Wales NO ITS NOT"- Where are the REAL politicians who will represent us in the WAG- Swansea is waiting. ???? | | | |
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