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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? 20:24 - Mar 31 with 22269 viewsKilkennyjack

According to the Guardian ....

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:32 - Mar 31 with 1202 viewsexiledclaseboy

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:35 - Mar 31 by blueytheblue

Simply rush through devolution in Gibraltar, accept into union.

What's the modern equivalent of "Up yours, Delors"?


So you want to rush through devolution (even though Gibraltar is already self-governing) AND accept Gibraltar into the Union?

How's that work then?

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:35 - Mar 31 with 1197 viewssherpajacob

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:19 - Mar 31 by blueytheblue

Is this the mighty EU army by any chance? Not really that convinced we've much to fear on that score.


All be over by Christmas? Like all.our other continental wars.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:36 - Mar 31 with 1195 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:27 - Mar 31 by sherpajacob

who are we.due to go to war.with?

I thought that was project fear.


We are not due to go to war with anyone sherp. I was simply quoting Phils post that we would go to war before we gave up Gibraltar, which in fact yeah, i think we would if it went that far just like we went too war over The Falklands, but all a bit silly surely. Project fear? On this one, look no further than the thread title!
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:37 - Mar 31 with 1187 viewssherpajacob

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:32 - Mar 31 by exiledclaseboy

So you want to rush through devolution (even though Gibraltar is already self-governing) AND accept Gibraltar into the Union?

How's that work then?


Contradictory policy on the hoof.

Most unlike a Tory.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:37 - Mar 31 with 1187 viewsblueytheblue

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:32 - Mar 31 by exiledclaseboy

So you want to rush through devolution (even though Gibraltar is already self-governing) AND accept Gibraltar into the Union?

How's that work then?


Knew I'd hook you on that one. You've a keener intellect than some others...

EU are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:39 - Mar 31 with 1184 viewsKerouac

Utterly ridiculous.
If the EU push this they will get their "hard Brexit"...the same fecking idiots who would rather side with Spain than their own country over Gibraltar will continue to make out that such an outcome will be all Theresa May's fault...when the citizens of the EU realise that their livelihoods are being sacrificed on the altar of a corrupt elite's political project, that is when the real FUN will start.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:45 - Mar 31 with 1170 viewsblueytheblue

Too late at night for me to be arsed to do so, but it might be an interesting exercise to look at previous EU articles and treaties pertaining to Gibraltar. Wouldn't surprise me if EU acted contrary to previous articles / treaties - which could be an interesting legal issue.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:01 - Mar 31 with 1150 viewssherpajacob

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:36 - Mar 31 by morningstar

We are not due to go to war with anyone sherp. I was simply quoting Phils post that we would go to war before we gave up Gibraltar, which in fact yeah, i think we would if it went that far just like we went too war over The Falklands, but all a bit silly surely. Project fear? On this one, look no further than the thread title!
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That's my point, if we are not going to war anytime soon, why is Gibraltar important strategically or militarily?

I understand it was important in 1805 and in 1942, but now?

If the Spanish simply close the land border, then it becomes economically insignificant as well.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:09 - Mar 31 with 1135 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:01 - Mar 31 by sherpajacob

That's my point, if we are not going to war anytime soon, why is Gibraltar important strategically or militarily?

I understand it was important in 1805 and in 1942, but now?

If the Spanish simply close the land border, then it becomes economically insignificant as well.


It's down to international waters. There is only 7.7 miles between Gibraltar and Morocco. Small enough for both Spain and Morocco to claim them as their own, effectively cutting off access to the Med for both UK and US navy's.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:26 - Mar 31 with 1096 viewsKerouac

hypocrisy is always good fun; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:28 - Mar 31 with 1093 viewsHighjack

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:06 - Mar 31 by sherpajacob

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/the-rock-of-remain-why-gibralta

The good people of Gibraltar knew this would be a problem, that's why the voted over 90% to remain.

The feckwits at vote leave dismissed it as project fear. They are the ones that have sold Gibraltar down the river.


The good people of Gibraltar voted 99% to 1% to conclusively reject Spanish sovereignty although it was probably the old thick poor racists who didn't know what they were voting for.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:50 - Mar 31 with 1071 viewsLord_Bony

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:45 - Mar 31 by blueytheblue

Too late at night for me to be arsed to do so, but it might be an interesting exercise to look at previous EU articles and treaties pertaining to Gibraltar. Wouldn't surprise me if EU acted contrary to previous articles / treaties - which could be an interesting legal issue.


The EU at Brussels is out to make an example of us leaving...how dare we have a mind of our own and decide to go our own way...

Gibraltar<Northern Ireland and even Cyprus (next up our bases there) will be used as bargaining pawns to make sure they squeeze every last drop of cash out of us and put off any other countries from following suit. Hard bargaining indeed. They want £60 billion off us before we even start trade negotiations.

The bastards.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 00:03 - Apr 1 with 1057 viewslonglostjack

Tit for Tat Rosenkrieg vorbei. May would have done better to take a conciliatory approach instead of using people and security as bargaining chips. Arrogance. Not good.
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 00:11 - Apr 1 with 1054 viewsBarrySwan

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:03 - Mar 31 by Kilkennyjack

No we wont. And as Spain will have full EU backing then its our sorry backside that might getting the kicking.

I feel sorry for the people of Gib who voted 90 per cent to remain.
Completely sold out by the old English types who voted leave. Feckwits.


I had always been disgusted at the way that successive UK governments had let Spain treat Gibraltar.


However as the good old citizens of Gibralter voted massively in favour of the Lib Dems in the last Euro elections and massively in favour of staying in the EU.

They can cop for what they voted for in my opinion, more integration into Spain.

I'm sure that The Spanish will be more than touch cheesed off as we ban their trawlers from our newly reclaimed fishing grounds and hand them back to the British fishing fleet ( not that I trust May or the tories an inch in protecting the UK's rights)
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 00:12 - Apr 1 with 1050 viewsLord_Bony

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 00:03 - Apr 1 by longlostjack

Tit for Tat Rosenkrieg vorbei. May would have done better to take a conciliatory approach instead of using people and security as bargaining chips. Arrogance. Not good.
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Yeah ...give us a good trade deal or we ll let the fokkers blow you up...class.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:03 - Mar 31 by Kilkennyjack

No we wont. And as Spain will have full EU backing then its our sorry backside that might getting the kicking.

I feel sorry for the people of Gib who voted 90 per cent to remain.
Completely sold out by the old English types who voted leave. Feckwits.


N/A.
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 01:23 - Apr 1 with 1017 viewsLord_Bony

Very sad. The Gibraltarians and the rest of Brits in general
cannot expect anything good from Spain in this issue. Spain has an absurd and unhealthy obsession with Gibraltar and will use this to make life difficult for the gibraltarians at the first opportunity.
The contempt of Spain to the democratic will of Gibraltarians to remain British is incredible. Well, is incredible for anyone who does not know the little respect of Spain towards the democratic will of the people ...

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 04:02 - Apr 1 with 980 viewsLoyal

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:57 - Mar 31 by BigPhilG

Gib will never be given up. We'd go to war with them before that happens and a war against Spain would last all of 5 minutes


We could easily muster up a firm and do them on the streets of Córdoba.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 09:13 - Apr 1 with 934 viewssherpajacob

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 01:23 - Apr 1 by Lord_Bony

Very sad. The Gibraltarians and the rest of Brits in general
cannot expect anything good from Spain in this issue. Spain has an absurd and unhealthy obsession with Gibraltar and will use this to make life difficult for the gibraltarians at the first opportunity.
The contempt of Spain to the democratic will of Gibraltarians to remain British is incredible. Well, is incredible for anyone who does not know the little respect of Spain towards the democratic will of the people ...


I certainly wouldn't call Spain's views on Gibraltar absurd. Simple geography shows that it is part of the Iberian peninsula.

If the situation was reversed and a foreign power controlled a key part of Britain, such as dover or Pembroke dock, I'm certain we would look at any opportunity to get it back.

Self determination, as always, should be the deciding factor, it's just outside the EU Spain has the chance to make life very difficult for Gibraltar.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 09:27 - Apr 1 with 920 viewsKerouac

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 09:13 - Apr 1 by sherpajacob

I certainly wouldn't call Spain's views on Gibraltar absurd. Simple geography shows that it is part of the Iberian peninsula.

If the situation was reversed and a foreign power controlled a key part of Britain, such as dover or Pembroke dock, I'm certain we would look at any opportunity to get it back.

Self determination, as always, should be the deciding factor, it's just outside the EU Spain has the chance to make life very difficult for Gibraltar.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/728185/Gibraltar-choose-Britain-over-EU-for-

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:21 - Apr 1 with 890 viewsDafyddHuw

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:57 - Mar 31 by BigPhilG

Gib will never be given up. We'd go to war with them before that happens and a war against Spain would last all of 5 minutes


Nah, we'd put up more of a fight than that.
I'd say 10 minutes.
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:27 - Apr 1 with 882 viewsblueytheblue

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:21 - Apr 1 by DafyddHuw

Nah, we'd put up more of a fight than that.
I'd say 10 minutes.


Yeah that feared and famed Spanish army. Or maybe the vaunted EU army.

Maybe not.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 11:24 - Apr 1 with 855 viewsKerouac

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/786548/Gibraltar-Brexit-British-territory-Spain

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 13:59 - Apr 1 with 794 viewsunion_jack

Anyone on here thinking that Gibraltar is of no strategic importance to the UK is, at best, short-termist.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 14:22 - Apr 1 with 782 viewsHighjack

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 13:59 - Apr 1 by union_jack

Anyone on here thinking that Gibraltar is of no strategic importance to the UK is, at best, short-termist.


F uck strategic importance, the only thing that matters or should matter is that the people of Gibraltar almost universally want to stay British and don't want to be handed over to Spain.

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