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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? 20:24 - Mar 31 with 21731 viewsKilkennyjack

According to the Guardian ....

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 14:48 - Apr 1 with 1050 viewsunion_jack

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 14:22 - Apr 1 by Highjack

F uck strategic importance, the only thing that matters or should matter is that the people of Gibraltar almost universally want to stay British and don't want to be handed over to Spain.


Ideally, yes. Politically, well the govt won't really give a toss about the people, just it's geographical location.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 15:21 - Apr 1 with 1016 viewsexiledclaseboy

Let's not forget that the UK government was more than happy to hand Spain shared sovereignty of Gibraltar back about 15 years ago. I know nothing of Gibraltar's supposed strategic importance but that indicates that it may not be as vital as has been made out in this thread.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 15:25 - Apr 1 with 1010 viewsperchrockjack

It's far less strategic and more a case of people wanting to remain under the Crown


People seemingly want Spain to take it back against 99 per cent of the people s wishes.


Same as Falklands where some venal British politicians would have given to Argentina and sold the islanders down the river

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 16:01 - Apr 1 with 994 viewssherpajacob

In short it should be about self determination.

In reality, I can see May and Davis using it as a bargaining chip, they don't actually care about the rights and wrongs of it.

For the EU it's a miniscule issue, for Mrs May it's politically massive, which means the EU can use it to lever the UK where they want us.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:21 - Apr 1 with 939 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 15:25 - Apr 1 by perchrockjack

It's far less strategic and more a case of people wanting to remain under the Crown


People seemingly want Spain to take it back against 99 per cent of the people s wishes.


Same as Falklands where some venal British politicians would have given to Argentina and sold the islanders down the river


Why do you think we took Gibraltar in the first place? Because we thought the residents there wanted to be British? A tiny little tip of a peninsular that is the gateway to the whole Mediterranean! And you think we want to keep it because of the residents right? ........

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:23 - Apr 1 with 937 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 15:21 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy

Let's not forget that the UK government was more than happy to hand Spain shared sovereignty of Gibraltar back about 15 years ago. I know nothing of Gibraltar's supposed strategic importance but that indicates that it may not be as vital as has been made out in this thread.


Shared sovereignty means we still have control of the straights. What part of this don't you grasp?

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:55 - Apr 1 with 904 viewsKilkennyjack

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:23 - Apr 1 by morningstar

Shared sovereignty means we still have control of the straights. What part of this don't you grasp?


The good people of Gib have been sold down the river by the old English feckwits.
Fact.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:17 - Apr 1 with 896 viewssherpajacob

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:23 - Apr 1 by morningstar

Shared sovereignty means we still have control of the straights. What part of this don't you grasp?


Control of the straights?

What exactly does that give us?

It isn't 1942,

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:23 - Apr 1 with 883 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:17 - Apr 1 by sherpajacob

Control of the straights?

What exactly does that give us?

It isn't 1942,


No, it's 2017.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:45 - Apr 1 with 866 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:17 - Apr 1 by sherpajacob

Control of the straights?

What exactly does that give us?

It isn't 1942,


But just too clarify, as i've stated previously. There is less than 8 miles between Gibraltar and Morocco, A small enough distance for each member state to claim the waters as their own. Currently, there is an international waterway through as Morocco allows it, If they didn't, and Spain controlled the rest then no shipping would be allowed thoroughfare without permission of either country. That is why Britain will never give up Gibraltar, whether it be 1805, 1942, 2017 or 3999! It ain't going to happen!
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:27 - Apr 1 with 832 viewsexiledclaseboy

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:23 - Apr 1 by morningstar

Shared sovereignty means we still have control of the straights. What part of this don't you grasp?


Nothing. As I said "I know nothing about Gibraltar's supposed strategic importance".

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:34 - Apr 1 with 826 viewsLord_Bony

Historically it was an incredibly important military base. It is less so now. When you look at the kinds of military operations Gibraltar was involved in the past, like World War II, these were clearly enormous military operations of a scale that does not happen anymore

But the UK still has a huge military[intelligence network going on there and of course a naval base.

Strategically of course we could screw up the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea and that is why its been such a huge bargaining chip for us the last 300 years or so.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:39 - Apr 1 with 821 viewsexiledclaseboy

I've met a few Gibraltarians through work. Lovely people and immensely proud of the British link. They all sound suspiciously Spanish though.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:40 - Apr 1 with 821 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:27 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy

Nothing. As I said "I know nothing about Gibraltar's supposed strategic importance".


In that case i'm happy that i've enlightened you.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:52 - Apr 1 with 802 viewsLoyal

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:27 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy

Nothing. As I said "I know nothing about Gibraltar's supposed strategic importance".


Pretty obvious really, anywhere with a rock that is highly populated offers opportunity abound for fiddling, rummaging, tweaking and inserting. The moisture levels in the summer will enable unforced access thus no strenuous yelping will be experienced. Added to that I understand they sell fish and chips in large quantities so I can test my salt n vinegar burns your bean theory out on a variety of nationalities.
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 23:58 - Apr 1 with 794 viewsLord_Bony

Never seen so many flies in my life there in Gibraltar...trying to eat a meal outside in a restraunt in the main square in summer is horrible....swarms of flies blown over from Africa...they are everywhere...added to that back street pubs that look like something from the back streets of Bristol in the 50s it has a big down market side to it in places....dont even go into the traffic congestion and ques trying to get in and out of the place...

would not want to go back myself....

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 11:45 - Apr 2 with 718 viewssherpajacob

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/02/theresa-may-would-go-war-defend-sover

Cameron was ridiculed for saying how the EU has kept the peace in Europe for 70 years.

Article 50 is less than a week old and a Tory grandee is using the language of war against an EU member state.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 12:09 - Apr 2 with 698 viewsrock1n

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/02/theresa-may-would-go-war-defend-sover

Go to War....

Go to War......

Have we lost our collective minds over the last 12 months.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 12:17 - Apr 2 with 696 viewsexiledclaseboy

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 12:09 - Apr 2 by rock1n

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/02/theresa-may-would-go-war-defend-sover

Go to War....

Go to War......

Have we lost our collective minds over the last 12 months.


Yes is the simple answer to that.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:29 - Apr 2 with 619 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 12:17 - Apr 2 by exiledclaseboy

Yes is the simple answer to that.


We shouldn't allow this to snowball into a Falklands like situation, we should launch a preemptive strike against Spain at the earliest opportunity.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:16 - Apr 2 with 592 viewslondonlisa2001

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:29 - Apr 2 by morningstar

We shouldn't allow this to snowball into a Falklands like situation, we should launch a preemptive strike against Spain at the earliest opportunity.


Hahahaha.

That would go well for us wouldn't it.
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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:18 - Apr 2 with 588 viewsmorningstar

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:16 - Apr 2 by londonlisa2001

Hahahaha.

That would go well for us wouldn't it.


Brexit means Brexit innit!

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:22 - Apr 2 with 580 viewsexiledclaseboy

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:18 - Apr 2 by morningstar

Brexit means Brexit innit!


The added complication is that both Spain and the U.K. are NATO members, meaning we're both obliged to defend each other in the event of hostile action. So if Spain attacked us Spain would be obliged to defend the UK from its own attack. And vice versa of course. What larks.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:23 - Apr 2 with 578 viewslonglostjack

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:29 - Apr 2 by morningstar

We shouldn't allow this to snowball into a Falklands like situation, we should launch a preemptive strike against Spain at the earliest opportunity.


Spare a thought for all those pensioners from Essex living on the Costas. You know, the ones who voted for Brexit because there was too much EU immigration into the UK. They would probably be interned before hostilities started.

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Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:25 - Apr 2 with 576 viewslondonlisa2001

Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:22 - Apr 2 by exiledclaseboy

The added complication is that both Spain and the U.K. are NATO members, meaning we're both obliged to defend each other in the event of hostile action. So if Spain attacked us Spain would be obliged to defend the UK from its own attack. And vice versa of course. What larks.


Aye, I'm pretty certain that when bluey said we could take them in ten minutes he'd forgotten they were a NATO member.
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