| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? 20:24 - Mar 31 with 28597 views | Kilkennyjack |
According to the Guardian ....
Brexit - the fun has already started..... |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:34 - Apr 9 with 1534 views | rock1n |
Ruth Davidson would be a fantastic PM.
She's a One Nation pro EU tory though so it ain't going to happen. |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:39 - Apr 9 with 1528 views | rock1n |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 21:59 - Apr 4 by exiledclaseboy |
SNP got 50% of the Scottish vote in 2015 and nearly 100% of the seats.
God bless first past the post |
We do need a more proportional system, the whole irony of the EU debate is that we moan about the EU being undemocratic yet the same people advocate our system with a Monarchy and HOL.
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:43 - Apr 9 with 1523 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:39 - Apr 9 by rock1n |
We do need a more proportional system, the whole irony of the EU debate is that we moan about the EU being undemocratic yet the same people advocate our system with a Monarchy and HOL.
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And of course, elections to the European Parliament are far more democratic than those to our own at Westminster. |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:44 - Apr 9 with 1520 views | rock1n |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:43 - Apr 9 by exiledclaseboy |
And of course, elections to the European Parliament are far more democratic than those to our own at Westminster. |
Exactly.
Look how Farage has a platform, that's because whisper it quietly.....
it's quite democratic | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:18 - Apr 9 with 1480 views | Highjack |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:44 - Apr 9 by rock1n |
Exactly.
Look how Farage has a platform, that's because whisper it quietly.....
it's quite democratic |
Apart from the fact that the EU parliament has absolutely no legislative powers and is therefore just there to rubberstamp literally everything the comission sends down to it to give the illusion of democracy you're absolutely correct. |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:20 - Apr 9 with 1460 views | nice_to_michu |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:18 - Apr 9 by Highjack |
Apart from the fact that the EU parliament has absolutely no legislative powers and is therefore just there to rubberstamp literally everything the comission sends down to it to give the illusion of democracy you're absolutely correct. |
I assume you apply that same logic to anyone who is a backbencher in Westminster?
AKA the vast majority of British parliamentarians. |  | | |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:25 - Apr 9 with 1455 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:20 - Apr 9 by nice_to_michu |
I assume you apply that same logic to anyone who is a backbencher in Westminster?
AKA the vast majority of British parliamentarians. |
Westminster backbenchers can propose legislation, the European Parliament can't. But regardless, it's not true to say that the European Parliament has no legislative powers because it does. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:27 - Apr 9 with 1452 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:20 - Apr 9 by nice_to_michu |
I assume you apply that same logic to anyone who is a backbencher in Westminster?
AKA the vast majority of British parliamentarians. |
The whole thing is a farce. Any level you want to name. Give the proles the illusion and they'll fight amongst themselves about the choices they don't even have. Doesn't seem to be working that shabbily either eh... |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:01 - Apr 9 with 1396 views | Edmundo |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:03 - Mar 31 by Kilkennyjack |
No we wont. And as Spain will have full EU backing then its our sorry backside that might getting the kicking.
I feel sorry for the people of Gib who voted 90 per cent to remain.
Completely sold out by the old English types who voted leave. Feckwits. |
Most of those Feckwits who are from Swansea and all other areas of Wales other than Cardiff and Monmouth.....I wonder why that is😠|  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:07 - Apr 9 with 1385 views | nice_to_michu |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:25 - Apr 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Westminster backbenchers can propose legislation, the European Parliament can't. But regardless, it's not true to say that the European Parliament has no legislative powers because it does. |
My understanding is that MEPs can ask the Commission to propose certain legislation.
Backbenchers can introduce private members bills I suppose but they aren't that common and don't have a great likelihood of passing. It's the executive branch in westminster that proposes most legislation.
That's my I think my analogy still stands.
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:32 - Apr 9 with 1364 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:01 - Apr 9 by Edmundo |
Most of those Feckwits who are from Swansea and all other areas of Wales other than Cardiff and Monmouth.....I wonder why that is😠|
Feckwit turkeys who voted for Christmas.
The people of Scotland and Norn Iron are not feckwit turkeys. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:02 - Apr 10 with 1286 views | Highjack |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:20 - Apr 9 by nice_to_michu |
I assume you apply that same logic to anyone who is a backbencher in Westminster?
AKA the vast majority of British parliamentarians. |
We have a system (which is not perfect) here where our elected MPs propose, debate, scrutinise legislation. This is then voted on and sent to the lords who only really have the power to suggest amendments before either sending it back or accepting it. The backbenchers have a real part to play in this, outside the debates and votes in the chamber they are all inevitably part of select committees or other groups that influence policy, many of which are cross bench groups. Our system is far from perfect but we do in theory have the ways and means to remove poorly performing MPs as well as a free press that should be holding them to account. They often don't but they have in the past.
The EU on the other hand is that system turned on its head, where unelected, appointed, unaccountable people, of whom most in this country could not name a single member comes up with the legislation that is rubber stamped by the elected parliament. Imagine a situation in this country where the queen and the House of Lords came up with all the laws and the elected commons only had the power to ratify it. Would you be happy with that situation?
The EU is in no way democratic. In fact it's anti democratic. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:33 - Apr 12 with 1189 views | rock1n |
How old is British democracy? How old is the EU?
You mistake people who are positive about the EU that they agree with everything it does,
It's like immigration, the classic leave argument most remain people want limits on immigration - they're just more pragmatic and realise it will continue in or out of EU and it's way down priority list.
When we become little England, you'll soon be regretting your decision. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:58 - Apr 12 with 1179 views | Highjack |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:33 - Apr 12 by rock1n |
How old is British democracy? How old is the EU?
You mistake people who are positive about the EU that they agree with everything it does,
It's like immigration, the classic leave argument most remain people want limits on immigration - they're just more pragmatic and realise it will continue in or out of EU and it's way down priority list.
When we become little England, you'll soon be regretting your decision. |
May possibly end up regretting it, Ive never said anything different, but none of us can predict what will happen in the future. The future of the EU itself is potentially rather precarious and they may need to change the way they work to keep the whole thing together long term.
The biggest problem with this whole thing is many remainers have convinced themselves everything will now be terrible forever, whilst many leavers have convinced themselves things will be brilliant forever whereas as always the reality will lie in the middle, but people are so entrenched in their positions then a compromise will never be reached. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 17:51 - Apr 12 with 1089 views | rock1n |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 10:58 - Apr 12 by Highjack |
May possibly end up regretting it, Ive never said anything different, but none of us can predict what will happen in the future. The future of the EU itself is potentially rather precarious and they may need to change the way they work to keep the whole thing together long term.
The biggest problem with this whole thing is many remainers have convinced themselves everything will now be terrible forever, whilst many leavers have convinced themselves things will be brilliant forever whereas as always the reality will lie in the middle, but people are so entrenched in their positions then a compromise will never be reached. |
To be fair, that post makes a lot of sense. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:06 - Apr 12 with 1084 views | LeonWasGod |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 22:01 - Apr 9 by Edmundo |
Most of those Feckwits who are from Swansea and all other areas of Wales other than Cardiff and Monmouth.....I wonder why that is😠|
Trampie's got something to do with this hasn't he?
I love these arguments about the EU being non-democratic. It's just an arse about face version of our system. They have directly elected representitives and they have bureaucrats, just as we do. Both are involved in the development of legislation, both here and in the EU. Here is no moral high ground and it's a massive read herring imo - personally I couldn't give a monkeys who proposes legislation, as long as people are consulted and it works. I think I'm right in saying our govt can push a lot more through without scrutiny than the EU can.
I've never felt that anything coming out of Europe has had a negative effect. But maybe that's just me. |  | | |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:14 - Apr 12 with 1080 views | rock1n |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:06 - Apr 12 by LeonWasGod |
Trampie's got something to do with this hasn't he?
I love these arguments about the EU being non-democratic. It's just an arse about face version of our system. They have directly elected representitives and they have bureaucrats, just as we do. Both are involved in the development of legislation, both here and in the EU. Here is no moral high ground and it's a massive read herring imo - personally I couldn't give a monkeys who proposes legislation, as long as people are consulted and it works. I think I'm right in saying our govt can push a lot more through without scrutiny than the EU can.
I've never felt that anything coming out of Europe has had a negative effect. But maybe that's just me. |
Your last sentence is the absolute key to all of this.
I've asked this several times and others have asked this question several times and noone can come up with a negative. There is not one law or piece of legislation they can point to, it's almost cringe-worthy.
I'm still waiting for some kind soul to point me in the direction. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:51 - Apr 12 with 1066 views | yescomeon |
The Monarchy can feck off but isn't the HOL meritocratic (mostly)? |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:55 - Apr 12 with 1059 views | Flashberryjack |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 18:14 - Apr 12 by rock1n |
Your last sentence is the absolute key to all of this.
I've asked this several times and others have asked this question several times and noone can come up with a negative. There is not one law or piece of legislation they can point to, it's almost cringe-worthy.
I'm still waiting for some kind soul to point me in the direction. |
Bananas !! |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:08 - Apr 12 with 1047 views | Kilkennyjack |
Moronic English fans cant hold their beer again.
They shame themselves and their team.
Glad Wales stands alone.
Like the Irish, our fans were loved in Euro16.
No problems at all with our Russian friends.
How sad after last nights fans love in. | |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:35 - Apr 12 with 1017 views | Loyal |
| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 19:08 - Apr 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Moronic English fans cant hold their beer again.
They shame themselves and their team.
Glad Wales stands alone.
Like the Irish, our fans were loved in Euro16.
No problems at all with our Russian friends.
How sad after last nights fans love in. |
Horrible fckrs, deserve all they get and more.
Bigoted cnts. |  |
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| Gibraltar to be Spanish ? on 20:20 - Apr 12 with 1002 views | sherpajacob |
Singing Gibraltar is ours and carrying no surrender / brexit Gibraltar flags in the centre of Madrid.
Gibraltarians did of course vote over 90% to remain. |  |
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