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Brexit costs 20:37 - Apr 20 with 3036 viewsPelayou

"According to the text of The European Comission The United Kingdom must respond to the obligations assumed as a member of the EU and fully cover the costs related to Brexit".

Oh, dear! Before star to pay so huge amount of Pounds, would you please return to Spain Gibraltar and it´s stolen isthmus in the process? Better leaving with no hard feelings, clearing your conscience and stay close with the only trully friend you´ve got in Europe: Spain! (Germans hate you. Frenchs mistrusts you and Italy is too far).
We´ll as a member take care of you as the same time you catch a could outside and loose your ancient good image.

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Brexit costs on 10:07 - Apr 21 with 850 viewsBigPhilG

Brexit costs on 22:57 - Apr 20 by blueytheblue

Not to mention the benefits Barca and Real got by being allowed to run up large debts at state managed banks, technically illegal state subsidies...


Seeing as you've stated facts I find it impossible to disagree.

In Spanish Real means Royal and the Spanish royal family have spoken to the banks there to allow Real Madrid to have loans and have 100 years to pay them back interest free. With Barca they have a similar arrangement with Sabadell
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Brexit costs on 17:19 - Apr 21 with 803 viewsPelayou

Brexit costs on 22:51 - Apr 20 by BigPhilG

The Bank of England doesn't launder money. BNP Paribais did though and got a whopping great fine for it. Santander and Sabadell didn't but only because they were on siesta time


Well, It doesn´t need it! BoE has a lot of dwarf branches. They do the dirty job. It´s clasical Imperial hipocresy, isn´t it? Imperial metropoli only receives pure gold. That´s the way it is. Last Empire of the History but normal rules of them.
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Brexit costs on 17:20 - Apr 21 with 803 viewsPelayou

Brexit costs on 01:17 - Apr 21 by Kerouac



Benny Hill? Hey, Brits, open your big thick wall! We love him!
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Brexit costs on 17:45 - Apr 21 with 797 viewsPelayou

Brexit costs on 09:48 - Apr 21 by Private_Partz

If you swapped 'yobs' for 'jobs' you would be right. The Spanish are worried, and rightly so. We soon wil not have enough money to go on holidays abroad with, unemployment, low paid jobs, the falling pound, higher holiday insurance and stricter border controls.
Hope you like Bognor. The rich will continue to travel with impunity however so the cap doffers will be happy......


I like your post. Who´s really not worried about Brexit? We here are not far away than you. Brexit maybe means (I hope not) low payed british workers are not going to Spain? Healthy people will do, as other 60 millions who visit my beloved country every year. On the other hand, Uk should be worried too. You´re improvising every step you do, fellows! Where is British phlegm? "Declaring" war to Spain bc checking our frontier in Gibraltar? Who´s fly off the handle there? Overreacting in that way just fully opened a lot of eyes around the world, specially Europe. It means vulnerability. Many want pay back to you ancient bills. They know right now you can be deep hitted just kicking gibraltarians asses. Remember?: "I´m Iñigo Montoya. You Killed my father. Prepare to die"!
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Brexit costs on 22:40 - Apr 21 with 774 viewsJack_Meoff

Brexit costs on 22:04 - Apr 20 by Pelayou

Ouh, yes? Ah, yeah! We are The British Empire! We´got the widest and majority off-shore platforms aroud the world. Cayman Islands, Bermudas, Barbados, Gibraltar, Guernesey, Isle of Man, etc, etc. Laundering world dirty money under little British enclaves rules as the same time they are branches of Bank of England too. Go to Bank of England website (maybe they erased it!) and you will see what is lifting the Sterling. Keep laughing with another accents or even another countries or whatever, it´s your local pretty racist sense of humor but YOUR BUILDING A WALL AROUND YOUR COUNTRY. (Remember The Wall -Pink Floyd). -"Who´s going to be kicked out today? Ouh, Scotland!".


You're not wrong about the offshore scam in fairness. More shell companies than inhabitants in a lot of the places you mention. Still, we'll keep arguing amongst ourselves about the left right bollocks paradigm whilst the thieves piss themselves laughing at us. Chin chin!
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Brexit costs on 11:03 - Apr 22 with 713 viewsnice_to_michu

I'm so disappointed in Farage and Gove and Johnson, they lied to me about the UK being "first in the queue" for a trade deal with the USA.

Turns out, the EU is first in the queue. I feel let down by the leave campaign.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/795013/BREXIT-Donald-Trump-European-Union-Brita
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Brexit costs on 11:19 - Apr 22 with 711 viewsblueytheblue

Funny that none of the Washington officials are either named nor direct quotes are used, eh?

Only direct quotes used are those from a German official.

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Brexit costs on 11:24 - Apr 22 with 707 viewsnice_to_michu

Brexit costs on 11:19 - Apr 22 by blueytheblue

Funny that none of the Washington officials are either named nor direct quotes are used, eh?

Only direct quotes used are those from a German official.


Yeh, probably those leftie, remoaning news outlets the Daily Express and The Times making up stories.
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Brexit costs on 11:29 - Apr 22 with 704 viewsblueytheblue

Brexit costs on 11:24 - Apr 22 by nice_to_michu

Yeh, probably those leftie, remoaning news outlets the Daily Express and The Times making up stories.


Not at all.

Point being, headlines often don't reflect the actualities.

Actual sourcing of the story shows Trump tried to negotiate with Germany individually, was told had to deal only with EU. That bears little resemblance to the headline, which interprets that as meaning EU deal would therefore be done ahead of anything with us.

That's just an opinion, not a fact. There's nothing that means trade deals have to be conducted in a sequential manner, can easily be done in parallel. One with Uk could theoretically be concluded faster due to only having to deal with one nation rather than having to cater for the individual requirements of 27 nations - as seen over recent years, deals can be delayed by individual regions of an EU nation. How many years of talks failed to get a deal with India?

The reality could very easily be start talks with Britain, start talks with EU. Focus on deal with us due to being concluded quicker.

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Brexit costs on 17:21 - Apr 22 with 668 viewsrock1n

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times there are no BENEFITS to brexit.

It will take time, drip, drip but eventually people will realise this. Unfortunately many are still brainwashed by the sun, mail, express etc.

Now the Times is reporting the US is focussing on the EU for a trade deal, well f*ck a duck I didn't see that one coming 440m market or 60m market. What would you choose?

ECB nails the mentality, it is based on delusions of grandeur of a belief that we're superior that we had an 'Empire' - there is nothing more to the brexit argument. It is a lot of old people wishing for a time that never existed.

May has called this election for two reasons imo:

She knows the sh1t will hit the fan soon

She wants more tories in Parliament to hold her Gov to Account and not be held hostage to a bunch of old right wing duffers. Also hoping that labour will get their act together and newly reborn liberal party.

I'm hoping there is some Machiavellian genius in this and that by destroying socialist labour and causing a rebirth of liberal Britain we'll see this whole charade coming crashing down.

I live in hope.
[Post edited 22 Apr 17:23]

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Brexit costs on 20:26 - Apr 22 with 628 viewsPelayou

Brexit costs on 17:21 - Apr 22 by rock1n

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times there are no BENEFITS to brexit.

It will take time, drip, drip but eventually people will realise this. Unfortunately many are still brainwashed by the sun, mail, express etc.

Now the Times is reporting the US is focussing on the EU for a trade deal, well f*ck a duck I didn't see that one coming 440m market or 60m market. What would you choose?

ECB nails the mentality, it is based on delusions of grandeur of a belief that we're superior that we had an 'Empire' - there is nothing more to the brexit argument. It is a lot of old people wishing for a time that never existed.

May has called this election for two reasons imo:

She knows the sh1t will hit the fan soon

She wants more tories in Parliament to hold her Gov to Account and not be held hostage to a bunch of old right wing duffers. Also hoping that labour will get their act together and newly reborn liberal party.

I'm hoping there is some Machiavellian genius in this and that by destroying socialist labour and causing a rebirth of liberal Britain we'll see this whole charade coming crashing down.

I live in hope.
[Post edited 22 Apr 17:23]


Very scary your post, Mister. it´s hard to believe one nation sailing (allow me) in solitary way across this wild world. I supposse everybody there is trully happy and enjoying this come up situation. Brexit should means a future very very fruitfully. Isn´t it? I really hope you achive your goals as soon as possible. Another icon I believe you strongly got is that USA will protect UK and erect with you a way altogether for the future instead other alies as UE, ie. Do you really Mr. Trump need you so deep as you´re hoping so firmly? Lucky you!
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Brexit costs on 20:44 - Apr 22 with 615 viewsperchrockjack

Amen to that rock

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Brexit costs on 13:38 - Apr 25 with 551 viewsKerouac

Brexit costs on 20:26 - Apr 22 by Pelayou

Very scary your post, Mister. it´s hard to believe one nation sailing (allow me) in solitary way across this wild world. I supposse everybody there is trully happy and enjoying this come up situation. Brexit should means a future very very fruitfully. Isn´t it? I really hope you achive your goals as soon as possible. Another icon I believe you strongly got is that USA will protect UK and erect with you a way altogether for the future instead other alies as UE, ie. Do you really Mr. Trump need you so deep as you´re hoping so firmly? Lucky you!


http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/796223/Spanish-national-debt-GDP-figures-R


Que?

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Brexit costs on 13:43 - Apr 25 with 546 viewsblueytheblue

Interesting analysis of potential post Brexit trade by Open Europe - who are pro EU.

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/economic-policy-and-trade/global-britain-p

It's good to see a group willing to accept the result and deal with realities.

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Brexit costs on 22:13 - Apr 25 with 519 viewsKerouac

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/factory-orders-surge-in-pre-brexit-s

Booming

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Brexit costs on 07:45 - Apr 26 with 503 viewsPrivate_Partz

Brexit costs on 22:13 - Apr 25 by Kerouac

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/factory-orders-surge-in-pre-brexit-s

Booming


Not very detailed is it? Interesting that the picture shows car manufacturing which is under great threat in this country.
I don't think an economy built on domestic purchaes with one of the lowest per capita outputs in the Western world was booming even before this Brexit nonsense.
Brexit has not happened yet. The warning signs are there however. Let's see what happens if the coward May gets away with a hard Brexit.

You have mission in life to hold out your hand, To help the other guy out, Help your fellow man. Stan Ridgway

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Brexit costs on 09:43 - Apr 26 with 479 viewsblueytheblue

Brexit costs on 07:45 - Apr 26 by Private_Partz

Not very detailed is it? Interesting that the picture shows car manufacturing which is under great threat in this country.
I don't think an economy built on domestic purchaes with one of the lowest per capita outputs in the Western world was booming even before this Brexit nonsense.
Brexit has not happened yet. The warning signs are there however. Let's see what happens if the coward May gets away with a hard Brexit.


Warning signs?

Financial experts claimed the financial apocalypse would happen after a Leave vote, not after actually leaving. Which hasn't happened.

As the Open Europe report shows, there's plenty of trade outside of EU. There's plenty of trade outside EU we've not really pursued as well as we could due to being "satisfied" with the diminishing EU trade.

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Brexit costs on 10:23 - Apr 26 with 466 viewsKerouac

Brexit costs on 09:43 - Apr 26 by blueytheblue

Warning signs?

Financial experts claimed the financial apocalypse would happen after a Leave vote, not after actually leaving. Which hasn't happened.

As the Open Europe report shows, there's plenty of trade outside of EU. There's plenty of trade outside EU we've not really pursued as well as we could due to being "satisfied" with the diminishing EU trade.


Some of it is about not being able to cut trade deals while in the EU.

One of the biggest underperforming areas is our trade with Israel.
This is because of the politics between the EU and Israel...


(From Wiki, apologies to all offended "intellectuals")

The EU–Israel Association Agreement (2000)

The EU–Israel Association Agreement[2] forms the legal basis governing relations between Israel and the European Union, modeled on the network of Euro-Mediterranean Agreements between the Union and its partners in the southern flank of the Mediterranean Sea.

The agreement with Israel incorporates free trade arrangements for industrial goods and concessionary arrangements for trade in agricultural products (a new agreement here entered into force in 2004), and opens up the prospect for greater liberalisation of trade in services and farm goods from 2005. The Association Agreement was signed in Brussels on 20 November 1995, and entered into force on 1 June 2000,[3] following ratification by the 15 Member States’ Parliaments, the European Parliament and the Knesset. It replaces the earlier Co-operation Agreement of 1975.

The Association Agreement established two main bodies for the EU–Israel dialogue. The EU–Israel Association Council (held at ministerial level) and the EU–Israel Association Committee (held at the level of senior officials) meet at regular intervals to discuss political and economic issues, as well as bilateral and regional co-operation.

Article 2 of the Association Agreement states:

Relations between the Parties, as well as all the provisions of the Agreement itself, shall be based on respect for human rights and democratic principles, which guides their internal and international policy and constitutes an essential element of this Agreement.

Dispute on preferential treatment for Israeli products originating in Palestinian territories

Goods from Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are not subject to the free trade agreement, as they are not considered Israeli.

Since 1998, Israel and the EU have been in dispute over the legal treatment of products exported to the EU from the occupied Palestinian territories. Israel argues that these are produced in its customs territory and should thus be subject to the Association Agreement and benefit from preferential treatment. The EU maintains that the Territories are not part of Israel, and are illegal under international law, and such products do not therefore benefit from preferential treatment.[4]

A 2001 avis by the European Commission confirmed the lack of preferential status for such products, inducing infuriated reactions from Israel, though the economic significance of the Territories-based Israeli products is very limited (€100 mln/year over a total of €6 bln/year). Differently from the EU, the United States admit custom-free goods exported from the Territories under their 1985 free trade agreement.[4]

A solution was negotiated in 2004, whereby the Israeli authorities would specify on the certificate of origin the geographic location of the production site (e.g., Israel, Barkan), without having to specify whether the goods originated in the Territories. The EU customs authorities are then able to discern the exact origin and provide preferential treatment only to goods from Israel proper, giving de facto meaning to the EU policy of non-recognition of the Territories as part of the State of Israel[4]

The 2010 ruling of the European Court of Justice in the Brita case confirmed that products originating in the West Bank do not qualify for preferential customs treatment under the EC–Israel Agreement, and that contrary assertions by Israeli authorities are not binding upon EU customs authorities. In its reasoning, the ECJ relied on the presence of two, distinct and equal Association agreements, one with Israel, applying to the "territory of the State of Israel", and one with the PLO, applying to the territory of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and on the general principle of customary international law that an obligation cannot be imposed on a third party without its consent. The Court concluded that the EC–Israel Agreement may not be interpreted in such a way as to compel the Palestinian authorities to waive their right to exercise the competence conferred upon them by virtue of the EC–PLO Agreement and, in particular, to refrain from exercising the right to issue customs documents providing proof of origin for goods manufactured in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It follows that products originating in the West Bank do not fall within the territorial scope of the EC–Israel Agreement and, therefore, do not qualify for preferential treatment under that agreement.[5][6][7]

In 2015, the Israeli Foreign Ministry announced that "Israel is suspending its diplomatic dialogue with the EU in various forums" due to a policy passed by the EU to label products from the West Bank.[8] Israel expressed displeasure that "the EU has chosen, for political reasons, to take such an exceptional and discriminatory step, inspired by the boycott movement, particularly at this time, when Israel is confronting a wave of terrorism targeting any and all of its citizens", adding that the labelling decision would "have implications for Israel–EU relations."[9] The Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, reiterated that the decision was "hypocritical and [set] a double standard", adding that the EU "should be ashamed" of its actions.[10] The United States said it did not regard the EU move as a boycott.

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Brexit costs on 11:53 - Apr 26 with 442 viewsLeonWasGod

Brexit costs on 17:21 - Apr 22 by rock1n

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times there are no BENEFITS to brexit.

It will take time, drip, drip but eventually people will realise this. Unfortunately many are still brainwashed by the sun, mail, express etc.

Now the Times is reporting the US is focussing on the EU for a trade deal, well f*ck a duck I didn't see that one coming 440m market or 60m market. What would you choose?

ECB nails the mentality, it is based on delusions of grandeur of a belief that we're superior that we had an 'Empire' - there is nothing more to the brexit argument. It is a lot of old people wishing for a time that never existed.

May has called this election for two reasons imo:

She knows the sh1t will hit the fan soon

She wants more tories in Parliament to hold her Gov to Account and not be held hostage to a bunch of old right wing duffers. Also hoping that labour will get their act together and newly reborn liberal party.

I'm hoping there is some Machiavellian genius in this and that by destroying socialist labour and causing a rebirth of liberal Britain we'll see this whole charade coming crashing down.

I live in hope.
[Post edited 22 Apr 17:23]


Very good series running in the FT this week on the EU's response to the referendum and approach to exit negotiations. Seems they feel that there will be no winners on their side either. No point posting the link as it's behind a paywall, but for anyone who's got access it's worth a look.

It's quite an eye opener seeing how ordered and transparent they are being to the issue, compared to May's 'we won't tell you want we are doing' approach. Doesn't fill you full of confidence that the government can negotiate a good deal.

It also explains why 'Hard Brexit' is the only option now, so people hoping for a soft landing may as well stop hanging on to that hope.
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Brexit costs on 12:10 - Apr 26 with 433 viewsLeonWasGod

Brexit costs on 13:43 - Apr 25 by blueytheblue

Interesting analysis of potential post Brexit trade by Open Europe - who are pro EU.

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/economic-policy-and-trade/global-britain-p

It's good to see a group willing to accept the result and deal with realities.


I'm not surprised there is, as there has been untapped potential within our current arrangement as part of the EU. The US is our biggest export market and there's more room there I'm sure. There has always been good opportunities to do more with India, but some of the constraints on that won't change post-Brexit (bureaucracy and Indian requirements for freedom of movement, to name just a couple of examples). We export about £27bn to China, but given the size we could be doing a lot better now.

We do trade globally already, and some of the reasons we don't trade more are not tied up with EU regulations.

This isn't a black and white, suddenly 'global Britain' scenario that's being painted. And additional gains that better/closer terms may bring will have to wait until we can arrange those better terms (strike new bilateral trade deals). We've already had Trump this week state that the UK is behind the EU in trade negotiations. It's going to take time to exploit opportunities, whilst the impact of leaving the EU will be felt immediately.

it may all work out in the long run (the govt and the EU don't think it will), and let's hang on to that hope. That articles gives us something to aim for. But there will be a difficult transition period for sure. I don't think it's scaremongering to say that.
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Brexit costs on 12:11 - Apr 26 with 431 viewsLeonWasGod

Brexit costs on 11:03 - Apr 22 by nice_to_michu

I'm so disappointed in Farage and Gove and Johnson, they lied to me about the UK being "first in the queue" for a trade deal with the USA.

Turns out, the EU is first in the queue. I feel let down by the leave campaign.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/795013/BREXIT-Donald-Trump-European-Union-Brita


Don't worry - on the plus side, you'll have a new hospital soon in your area with the £350m extra a week to be given to the NHS.
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Brexit costs on 12:18 - Apr 26 with 419 viewsLeonWasGod

Brexit costs on 11:29 - Apr 22 by blueytheblue

Not at all.

Point being, headlines often don't reflect the actualities.

Actual sourcing of the story shows Trump tried to negotiate with Germany individually, was told had to deal only with EU. That bears little resemblance to the headline, which interprets that as meaning EU deal would therefore be done ahead of anything with us.

That's just an opinion, not a fact. There's nothing that means trade deals have to be conducted in a sequential manner, can easily be done in parallel. One with Uk could theoretically be concluded faster due to only having to deal with one nation rather than having to cater for the individual requirements of 27 nations - as seen over recent years, deals can be delayed by individual regions of an EU nation. How many years of talks failed to get a deal with India?

The reality could very easily be start talks with Britain, start talks with EU. Focus on deal with us due to being concluded quicker.


The "reality" as you seem to like saying to justify your supposition is that although it may be possible for deals to be done in parallel, the reporting on this issue only talks about a softening approach by Trump to sort out a deal with the EU before the UK.

You're correct that that may or may not happen. But it is what is being reported.

But anyway, Trump will respond to whoever spoke to him last. And that was Merkel. May needs to get over there again and then chances are we'll be back at the top table. If it's true that Merkel had to explain to him 10 times that he couldn't do a deal solely with Germany then he's a bigger idiot than I realised.
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