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Corbyn does not like 'shoot to kill' on principle. Fair enough. This puts him at odds with the UK public (especially during these troubled times). He could adjust his public position on this issue (and on the nuclear strike issue) in order to secure more votes for the Labour party.
It comes down to principles Vs pragmatism, and Corbyn is not prepared to sacrifice his principles on the altar of a Labour victory in the GE. To me this = Vanity
It strikes me that many of us do the same thing on the subject of Islamic terrorism. We are not prepared to sacrifice dearly held principles on the altar of our children's futures. It would seem that it is more important to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror and see somebody staring back that our younger more idealistic selves could be proud of.
Me? I think it is more important to be able to look into my children's eyes in 30 years time and be able to say; " I did everything I could to ensure that you were able to inherit the kind of safe, stable country that I (and my generation) was fortunate enough to inherit. "
1. The nuclear strike thing is bollocks. Fire first and you will go down in (what's left of history) as the person who basically wiped out mankind. In any case the vast majority of our nuclear arsenal is at sea so would not be destroyed if we are targeted first.
2. Corbyn has said today that the police should use all force that is necessary against terrorists.
Corbyn actually made a speech yesterday where he backed the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect lives and security as they did in London, i.e. lethal force. Suggests he has shifted his position to match the situation.
Here's the Corbyn speech that Sky ran in full and which BBC TV news is suppressing pic.twitter.com/8uLQlz5oVH
1. The nuclear strike thing is bollocks. Fire first and you will go down in (what's left of history) as the person who basically wiped out mankind. In any case the vast majority of our nuclear arsenal is at sea so would not be destroyed if we are targeted first.
2. Corbyn has said today that the police should use all force that is necessary against terrorists.
3. End of thread
"2. Corbyn has said today that the police should use all force that is necessary against terrorists."
He hasn't a shred of self-awareness, has he? Not one iota.
By the way, here's how his friends on the Springfield Road reacted to recent events.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Despite Corbyn's welcome comments yesterday, the Labour Party is fatally holed below the water by the presence of Diane Abbot and that famous mockery of the working class, Emily Thornberry. The presence of these electoral liabilities in prominent shadow cabinet positions will undoubtedly make most sensible, left-leaning individuals think twice about voting for Labour. I suspect that many(who like large parts of the manifesto) will be unable to trust them on immigration and will ultimately put national security before all else. However, that should not conceal that fact that the Cameron government and Theresa May specifically have a proven track record of abysmal failure in terms of both. In addition, they both contrived to decimate the police and prison service through cuts in staffing and vicious attacks on conditions of service. Tory austerity also caused severe damage to the effectiveness and morale of Britain's armed forces. I concede that Blair and, specifically Brown bear similar responsibility, but in terms of actual harm, bizarrely Corbyn and his accolites bear the least amount of blame/guilt over the current state of play in my view.
"Yossarian- the very sight of the name made him shudder.There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive" (Catch 22)
I 'd never ever vote Tory and I wouldn't trust Corbyn as far as I could throw him, so I'm fuked if I know who'll I be voting for, not that'll make one iota of a difference.
The public position of the Labour party is that they believe in the use of "necessary force". Which by implication means they accept that shoot to kill is sometimes required.
Maybe he thinks that violence isn't the way to solve violence? That's not vanity in my book, it's common sense.
I 'd never ever vote Tory and I wouldn't trust Corbyn as far as I could throw him, so I'm fuked if I know who'll I be voting for, not that'll make one iota of a difference.
But don't let that vote go to waste even if it does feel futile.
But don't let that vote go to waste even if it does feel futile.
Quite right. As I said in an earlier post, thousands of people of our parents and grandparents generation actually sacrificed their lives in the Second World War to protect our democractic rights. Not voting is an insult to them.
"2. Corbyn has said today that the police should use all force that is necessary against terrorists."
He hasn't a shred of self-awareness, has he? Not one iota.
By the way, here's how his friends on the Springfield Road reacted to recent events.
Teresa is the real enemy and you know it. How can you say that she's tough on terror when she's left the police threadbare and unable to sift through every possible threat?
Disgusting woman
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
Despite Corbyn's welcome comments yesterday, the Labour Party is fatally holed below the water by the presence of Diane Abbot and that famous mockery of the working class, Emily Thornberry. The presence of these electoral liabilities in prominent shadow cabinet positions will undoubtedly make most sensible, left-leaning individuals think twice about voting for Labour. I suspect that many(who like large parts of the manifesto) will be unable to trust them on immigration and will ultimately put national security before all else. However, that should not conceal that fact that the Cameron government and Theresa May specifically have a proven track record of abysmal failure in terms of both. In addition, they both contrived to decimate the police and prison service through cuts in staffing and vicious attacks on conditions of service. Tory austerity also caused severe damage to the effectiveness and morale of Britain's armed forces. I concede that Blair and, specifically Brown bear similar responsibility, but in terms of actual harm, bizarrely Corbyn and his accolites bear the least amount of blame/guilt over the current state of play in my view.
All the more reason to give them a chance then, don't you think?
Diane Abbot will not be part of any labour cabinet for long. Corbyn is loyal but not stupid
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
1. The nuclear strike thing is bollocks. Fire first and you will go down in (what's left of history) as the person who basically wiped out mankind. In any case the vast majority of our nuclear arsenal is at sea so would not be destroyed if we are targeted first.
2. Corbyn has said today that the police should use all force that is necessary against terrorists.
3. End of thread
Changing his position a week before the General Election in the midst of an Islamic bombing spree in the UK is not fooling anybody, people remember shiit like this...
THE VETERAN TROTSKYITE AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOLBOY UNITED BEHIND JEREMY CORBYN
(By Andrew Gilligan10:30PM GMT 12 Dec 2015)
It was the latest flashpoint between Jeremy Corbyn and his MPs, the annual Christmas party of an “anti-Western” group which most of them loathe. Yet the most interesting thing about Mr Corbyn’s appearance at Friday’s Stop the War Coalition dinner was not what he said — but who he was with. Mr Corbyn tried to hurry out through an emergency exit, but he could not escape being photographed with the man who chaired the notorious press conference at which Mohammed Emwazi, the Isil executioner known as Jihadi John, was described as a “beautiful young man”.
John Rees, a veteran Trotskyite and national officer of Stop the War, has stated his opposition to “regime change” in Syria. He also backed Russia’s annexation of Crimea, describing it as the; “Russian state defending its interests … what we are seeing now is fundamentally a response to the period after the Cold War in which Nato has moved eastwards and now, in an almost literal sense, has its tanks on the lawn of the Russian state”.
But it was his and Stop the War’s close links with the “human rights” group Cage, seen by many as apologists for terror, that first brought Mr Rees to close public attention. At the press conference last February, with Mr Rees nodding in agreement, Asim Qureshi, Cage’s director, blamed MI5 for turning the “gentle” Emwazi into a murderer. At the time, as the furore over Mr Qureshi’s remarks showed, Stop the War and its allies were marginal voices of little importance. Now, thanks in substantial part to the work of Mr Rees and Lindsey German, his partner and the group’s convener, Stop the War and the views it represents have become central to the Labour Party.
Stop the War’s chairman, Andrew Murray, told Friday’s dinner: “It is a pleasure to welcome Jeremy Corbyn, who has been part of the backbone of Stop the War from the start. He is among friends here tonight.”
Mr Corbyn praised the coalition at the dinner as a “vital force at the heart of our democracy”.
The group caused controversy by claiming after the Paris attacks that France had; “reaped the whirlwind” of supporting Western military intervention. It also alleged Isil has greater “internationalism and solidarity” than Britain’s bombing campaign.
Former backers, including Green MP Caroline Lucas and rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, have disowned the group and Mr Corbyn has faced calls from senior Labour figures such as MPs Caroline Flint and Tristram Hunt to cut his ties, too. Other leaders of Stop the War — many of them at the dinner — include patron Kamal Majid, a founder-member of the Stalin Society, created in 1991 to “defend Stalin and his work”.
At a meeting of the New Communist Party, he described Syria’s Assad regime as rulers “with a long history of resisting imperialism” who must be supported “because their defeat will pave the way for a pro-Western and pro-US regime”.
- Jeremy Corbyn critics target 100,000 new moderate members in long-term strategy to oust leader - Prime Minister Corbyn and President Trump? Only the voters can stop them In May 2013, Stop the War gave a platform to a leading pro-Assad Syrian in London, Issa Chaer, who spoke alongside Mr Majid.
A lecturer at South Bank University, he runs the Syrian Social Club regime supporters’ group and appears on Assad-friendly TV channels defending the dictator. The final speaker at that meeting was advertised as Mr Corbyn, although a diary clash meant he ended up only sending a “message of support”.
Andrew Murray is a member of the Communist Party of Britain, which argues against “tipping the military balance against President Assad’s regime” on the grounds that it would “remove a critic of US foreign policy and the illegal Israeli occupation of Syrian, Palestinian and Lebanese land”.
(Asim Qureshi (left) of CAGE, sits with John Rees (centre) of Stop the War Coalition and Cerie Bullivant, as he speaks about the person he knows as Mohammed Emwazi, who has been named as the Islamic State executioner 'Jihadi John', during a press conference at the P21 Gallery, in central London)
Another Stop the War national officer, Kate Hudson, stated as recently as 2009 that “the collapse of the Soviet Union was a catastrophe for humanity”. Ms Hudson is a member of the Trotskyite splinter group Socialist Action, which believes that “should [military action] succeed in overthrowing Assad, not only the population of Syria, but the whole Middle East, will be set back”.
“Stop the War is not anti-war,” said James Bloodworth, the former editor of the Labour-supporting blog, Left Foot Forward. “It is anti-West. It does not appear to object unduly to wars when it is the enemies of the West that are doing the killing.” The group has provided a key support mechanism for Mr Corbyn, with activists at the core of his political project to become leader. Chairman Mr Murray is chief of staff of the Unite union, Labour’s biggest donor — its support was key in Mr Corbyn becoming leader. Mr Murray’s daughter is a key activist in Momentum, the Corbyn support group seeking to oust moderate MPs. Ms German and Mr Rees organised thousands of supporters to get Mr Corbyn elected. Stop the War spokesman Chris Nineham claimed credit for “massively limiting the Labour rebellion against Jeremy” over Syria raids. It was accused of intimidating Labour MPs, but said it “condemned ... whining complaints from those MPs who apparently do not like being lobbied”. Mr Murray said: “This unity between a mass campaigning movement and the leadership of the Labour Party clearly makes some uncomfortable. Their New Year’s resolution needs to be to get used to it.”
(Update: Since this article was first posted CWU has informed us that Steve Bell, who was originally referenced in the article, ceased to be an employee of the union in early 2015. We are happy to make this clear and have amended the article accordingly.)
Teresa is the real enemy and you know it. How can you say that she's tough on terror when she's left the police threadbare and unable to sift through every possible threat?
Disgusting woman
Come on now, Brynnie, you know it's more important to give the rich tax breaks and reduce the rate of corporation tax than to staff the security and public services properly. It's austerity, mun.
I 'd never ever vote Tory and I wouldn't trust Corbyn as far as I could throw him, so I'm fuked if I know who'll I be voting for, not that'll make one iota of a difference.
If you vote tactically, we may get a hung parliament and Green MPs , amongst others, having a crucial say in the way forward.
For the many like yourself disillusioned with ya boo, party politics, and campaigns based on "never mind me, look at the other side" Tactical voting is the only way to change things.
Come on now, Brynnie, you know it's more important to give the rich tax breaks and reduce the rate of corporation tax than to staff the security and public services properly. It's austerity, mun.
Yes. But all of the Corbyn badgers , where have they gone? Has the penny finally dropped?
I find it sad that they won't offer a defence of Teresa May now her criminal incompetence has been laid bare. Fifth columnists.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
I 'd never ever vote Tory and I wouldn't trust Corbyn as far as I could throw him, so I'm fuked if I know who'll I be voting for, not that'll make one iota of a difference.
Spoil your ballot paper then.. write none of the above or draw a massive cock, it doesnt matter. If every disillusioned or non voter did that then the giant cock party would be the biggest party in terms of votes. Might not win any seats but the giant cock would have a mandate to force a change in our politics.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Come on now, Brynnie, you know it's more important to give the rich tax breaks and reduce the rate of corporation tax than to staff the security and public services properly. It's austerity, mun.
The answer lay somewhere in the middle - sort out tax evasion schemes, remove stupid systems such as tax credits and rise the threshold first. That's critical, but neither the swivel eyed loons nor the Commies from Islington are prepared to do that
Spoil your ballot paper then.. write none of the above or draw a massive cock, it doesnt matter. If every disillusioned or non voter did that then the giant cock party would be the biggest party in terms of votes. Might not win any seats but the giant cock would have a mandate to force a change in our politics.
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