| Chris Leslie MP 10:18 - Jun 10 with 2403 views | Private_Partz |
Just seen an interview with this treacherous Blairite. Refusing to recognise Labour''s achievements. Saying they should have done better
Well Mr Leslie. One of the main reasons Labour did not win was that you and your ilk have sat on the side sniping at JC since he became leader.
I hope this git gets deselected asap. The tw@t is sorry Labour have become an effective opposition after being branded as no hopers.
I detest this lot more than the Tories. At least they do what is said on the tin. |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 10:22 - Jun 10 with 1825 views | Highjack |
He's got a point though. The tories were there for the taking after the weakest most pathetic election campaign in memory. If I were a labour supporter I'd be disappointed not to have at least matched their seats. |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 10:32 - Jun 10 with 1797 views | Headmaster |
They need to get a grip and get behind Corbyn if they have any chance of success in the next election. |  | | |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:36 - Jun 10 with 1787 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:22 - Jun 10 by Highjack |
He's got a point though. The tories were there for the taking after the weakest most pathetic election campaign in memory. If I were a labour supporter I'd be disappointed not to have at least matched their seats. |
Don't agree. Labour was on its as$, 22 points behind with snipers like Leslie, a venous Murdock press and a BBC that had no interest in what Labour was all about. Fortunately the election forced the latter to concentrate on policies rather than disagreements within the party.
The ungrateful tw@t Leslie won his seat with 71.5 % of the vote. Did he expect 100%?
If May lasts a few months then a large part of JC''s time should be ridding the Party of these Charlatans.
They are holding it back. Not Corbyn. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 10:41 - Jun 10 with 1773 views | WarwickHunt |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:36 - Jun 10 by Private_Partz |
Don't agree. Labour was on its as$, 22 points behind with snipers like Leslie, a venous Murdock press and a BBC that had no interest in what Labour was all about. Fortunately the election forced the latter to concentrate on policies rather than disagreements within the party.
The ungrateful tw@t Leslie won his seat with 71.5 % of the vote. Did he expect 100%?
If May lasts a few months then a large part of JC''s time should be ridding the Party of these Charlatans.
They are holding it back. Not Corbyn. |
"a BBC that had no interest in what Labour was all about."
You have no fücking idea. Embarrassing. |  | | |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:49 - Jun 10 with 1752 views | Darran |
We've got a huge problem involved here with people not recognising the difference between winning and losing.
Labour did better than anyone thought they'd do. They lost. |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 10:59 - Jun 10 with 1735 views | raynor94 |
The reason Labour didn't win was JC, now if David Miliband had been leading the party they would have romped home against such weak opposition |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:03 - Jun 10 with 1732 views | Highjack |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:49 - Jun 10 by Darran |
We've got a huge problem involved here with people not recognising the difference between winning and losing.
Labour did better than anyone thought they'd do. They lost. |
Yeah it's like a non league team celebrating because they've only lost 4:0 to Chelsea when everyone was expecting them to lose 10:0.
It's embarrassing. Labour should be aiming to win and shouldn't be celebrating the fact they've lost by only fifty odd seats. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:05 - Jun 10 with 1722 views | Darran |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:03 - Jun 10 by Highjack |
Yeah it's like a non league team celebrating because they've only lost 4:0 to Chelsea when everyone was expecting them to lose 10:0.
It's embarrassing. Labour should be aiming to win and shouldn't be celebrating the fact they've lost by only fifty odd seats. |
I couldn't agree more Hije the only thing they've done is surprise people. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:07 - Jun 10 with 1714 views | Headmaster |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:59 - Jun 10 by raynor94 |
The reason Labour didn't win was JC, now if David Miliband had been leading the party they would have romped home against such weak opposition |
I seriously doubt it. Corbyn was a complete rejection of centrist New Labour. That's why there was such a large turn out among young people. The reason they did better than expected was because of Corbyn's populist campaigning and the manifesto, which wouldn't have been so radical had it not been for Corbyn. You can also add other factors like Remainers who didn't want Brexit in the first place ect...
If the Labour MPs can get behind Corbyn and not distract people with infighting and unnecessary leadership elections, then that obviously creates an image of a united party that can be electable. Having said that, if they lose the next election, then Corbyn should be held accountable just like any other party leader. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 11:10]
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:18 - Jun 10 with 1688 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:41 - Jun 10 by WarwickHunt |
"a BBC that had no interest in what Labour was all about."
You have no fücking idea. Embarrassing. |
What a great argument. May would love someone like you. Or maybe not if she has learned any lessons ;-)
Ok I will I play and rewrite. The BBC knew what Labour was about but concentrated on splits within the Party rather than the message Corbyn was trying to get out. He did not get a fair hearing. Even worse for Lib Dems etc who got the square root of eff all.
Even Dimbleby said as such in relation to Labour. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:25 - Jun 10 with 1665 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:49 - Jun 10 by Darran |
We've got a huge problem involved here with people not recognising the difference between winning and losing.
Labour did better than anyone thought they'd do. They lost. |
That is not a huge problem other than May being still in power. I agree with you.
What I am saying is it is a massive achievement nonetheless given the starting point when May went for her snap election and the odds were stacked against Corbyn and Labour.
My other point is he would have not started from such a low bar had the treacherous not been sniping and having Leadership challenges. Fortunately many are backing down now. Even one of the challengers, Oily Owen, admits he was wrong. I hope the crying woman does the same.
Jacob Rhys Mogg must be very happy at not having decent opposition when he cried his crocodile tears. By eff he has one now ;-)
If you are looking for huge problems walk a mile in the Maybot shoes. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:33 - Jun 10 with 1650 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:59 - Jun 10 by raynor94 |
The reason Labour didn't win was JC, now if David Miliband had been leading the party they would have romped home against such weak opposition |
Old hat. It never happened. We live in the here and now. JC got to the top of the pile as a result of Tory austerity. If David was so sure he was in with a shout he should have stuck to his guns. The treacherous and the Murdock press have held Labour back since.
The good news is we might have in future a real choice at elections with a true right , left and centre choice therby giving the Voter some control.
It won't happen for a while though and May will not call another snap election. Now that she is exposed for the fragile and weak person she is she would lose comfortably in 7 weeks. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 11:35 - Jun 10 with 1645 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:07 - Jun 10 by Headmaster |
I seriously doubt it. Corbyn was a complete rejection of centrist New Labour. That's why there was such a large turn out among young people. The reason they did better than expected was because of Corbyn's populist campaigning and the manifesto, which wouldn't have been so radical had it not been for Corbyn. You can also add other factors like Remainers who didn't want Brexit in the first place ect...
If the Labour MPs can get behind Corbyn and not distract people with infighting and unnecessary leadership elections, then that obviously creates an image of a united party that can be electable. Having said that, if they lose the next election, then Corbyn should be held accountable just like any other party leader. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 11:10]
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Have an up arrow. I have to go out shopping so I will leave you to carry the flag, comfortable that it is in good hands ;-) | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 12:42 - Jun 10 with 1585 views | ploppy |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:07 - Jun 10 by Headmaster |
I seriously doubt it. Corbyn was a complete rejection of centrist New Labour. That's why there was such a large turn out among young people. The reason they did better than expected was because of Corbyn's populist campaigning and the manifesto, which wouldn't have been so radical had it not been for Corbyn. You can also add other factors like Remainers who didn't want Brexit in the first place ect...
If the Labour MPs can get behind Corbyn and not distract people with infighting and unnecessary leadership elections, then that obviously creates an image of a united party that can be electable. Having said that, if they lose the next election, then Corbyn should be held accountable just like any other party leader. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 11:10]
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Corbyn will be Labour leader for as long as Momentum want hime to be, regardless of his performance in GEs. |  | | |
| Chris Leslie MP on 13:41 - Jun 10 with 1531 views | Glyn1 |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:03 - Jun 10 by Highjack |
Yeah it's like a non league team celebrating because they've only lost 4:0 to Chelsea when everyone was expecting them to lose 10:0.
It's embarrassing. Labour should be aiming to win and shouldn't be celebrating the fact they've lost by only fifty odd seats. |
They're celebrating that they gained 30 more MPs than they had at the start of the day, which may not be enough but it's still a victory.
Personally, I'm celebrating the fact that my own MP - who is decent, hard-working and also anti-Corbyn - turned a marginal 450 majority into a 12,000 majority (Brentford and Isleworth, west London).
It's a sunny day, allow us some satisfaction for the weekend at least. |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 13:50 - Jun 10 with 1519 views | Glyn1 |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:07 - Jun 10 by Headmaster |
I seriously doubt it. Corbyn was a complete rejection of centrist New Labour. That's why there was such a large turn out among young people. The reason they did better than expected was because of Corbyn's populist campaigning and the manifesto, which wouldn't have been so radical had it not been for Corbyn. You can also add other factors like Remainers who didn't want Brexit in the first place ect...
If the Labour MPs can get behind Corbyn and not distract people with infighting and unnecessary leadership elections, then that obviously creates an image of a united party that can be electable. Having said that, if they lose the next election, then Corbyn should be held accountable just like any other party leader. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 11:10]
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It's a bit of a myth that this manifesto was particularly radical from the Labour supporters' viewpoint. It certainly wasn't as radical as Tony Blair's in 1997 which brought in a windfall tax on the privatised utility companies that raised £5 billion that was then spent on the New Deal welfare-to-work project for those on long-term unemployment, as well as providing capital investment for schools and universities.
The fact that centrist/right wing Labour supporters such as the Guardian's Polly Toynbee really liked this year's manifesto means that it wasn't that radical which I presume is evidence of Corbyn trying to unify the party. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 14:07 - Jun 10 with 1490 views | Highjack |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:35 - Jun 10 by Private_Partz |
Have an up arrow. I have to go out shopping so I will leave you to carry the flag, comfortable that it is in good hands ;-) |
Shopping? You capitalist pigdog. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 15:40 - Jun 10 with 1451 views | WarwickHunt |
| Chris Leslie MP on 11:18 - Jun 10 by Private_Partz |
What a great argument. May would love someone like you. Or maybe not if she has learned any lessons ;-)
Ok I will I play and rewrite. The BBC knew what Labour was about but concentrated on splits within the Party rather than the message Corbyn was trying to get out. He did not get a fair hearing. Even worse for Lib Dems etc who got the square root of eff all.
Even Dimbleby said as such in relation to Labour. |
What do you mean by “the BBC” FFS - Graham Norton, Eastenders, Blue Peter, Antiques Roadshow...?
If anyone’s to blame for not getting anything across on mainstream media then it’s Seamus Milne. It’s up to the parties to create the news agenda - or have you been in a coma for the last 30 years?
Did you say splits? What - like the mob-handed Momentum rabble shouting down anyone who didn’t toe the Corbyn line and calling them “Blairite scum”? A brick through Angela Eagle’s window after she criticised Corbyn? Hardly newsworthy at all really - nothing to see here...
Here’s the view of the BBC from the other side -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4590454/Why-did-BBC-refuse-tell-truth-
You’re two cheeks of the same arse. | | | |
| Chris Leslie MP on 15:57 - Jun 10 with 1403 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 14:07 - Jun 10 by Highjack |
Shopping? You capitalist pigdog. |
:-)) that deserves an up arrow as well but for entirely different reasons. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 16:00 - Jun 10 with 1396 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 15:40 - Jun 10 by WarwickHunt |
What do you mean by “the BBC” FFS - Graham Norton, Eastenders, Blue Peter, Antiques Roadshow...?
If anyone’s to blame for not getting anything across on mainstream media then it’s Seamus Milne. It’s up to the parties to create the news agenda - or have you been in a coma for the last 30 years?
Did you say splits? What - like the mob-handed Momentum rabble shouting down anyone who didn’t toe the Corbyn line and calling them “Blairite scum”? A brick through Angela Eagle’s window after she criticised Corbyn? Hardly newsworthy at all really - nothing to see here...
Here’s the view of the BBC from the other side -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4590454/Why-did-BBC-refuse-tell-truth-
You’re two cheeks of the same arse. |
There are bad buggers on both sides
Not getting into mud slinging there. People have died as a tesult. I meant BBC news as well. Does not take Einstein to work that one out.
Quoting from the Daily Jackboot as well mmm. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 16:01]
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| Chris Leslie MP on 16:38 - Jun 10 with 1362 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Chris Leslie MP on 10:22 - Jun 10 by Highjack |
He's got a point though. The tories were there for the taking after the weakest most pathetic election campaign in memory. If I were a labour supporter I'd be disappointed not to have at least matched their seats. |
This is nonsense and takes no account of the realities of this election. |  |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 16:42 - Jun 10 with 1350 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Chris Leslie MP on 15:40 - Jun 10 by WarwickHunt |
What do you mean by “the BBC” FFS - Graham Norton, Eastenders, Blue Peter, Antiques Roadshow...?
If anyone’s to blame for not getting anything across on mainstream media then it’s Seamus Milne. It’s up to the parties to create the news agenda - or have you been in a coma for the last 30 years?
Did you say splits? What - like the mob-handed Momentum rabble shouting down anyone who didn’t toe the Corbyn line and calling them “Blairite scum”? A brick through Angela Eagle’s window after she criticised Corbyn? Hardly newsworthy at all really - nothing to see here...
Here’s the view of the BBC from the other side -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4590454/Why-did-BBC-refuse-tell-truth-
You’re two cheeks of the same arse. |
That's why I love the BBC. Criticsed incessantly by both sides of the spectrum, only proving that it's as balanced as any new organisation can possibly be. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 17:05 - Jun 10 with 1331 views | WarwickHunt |
| Chris Leslie MP on 16:00 - Jun 10 by Private_Partz |
There are bad buggers on both sides
Not getting into mud slinging there. People have died as a tesult. I meant BBC news as well. Does not take Einstein to work that one out.
Quoting from the Daily Jackboot as well mmm. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 16:01]
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| Chris Leslie MP on 17:34 - Jun 10 with 1306 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 13:41 - Jun 10 by Glyn1 |
They're celebrating that they gained 30 more MPs than they had at the start of the day, which may not be enough but it's still a victory.
Personally, I'm celebrating the fact that my own MP - who is decent, hard-working and also anti-Corbyn - turned a marginal 450 majority into a 12,000 majority (Brentford and Isleworth, west London).
It's a sunny day, allow us some satisfaction for the weekend at least. |
Sorry Glyn. I down arrows you by mistake. I meant to say I hope Ruthy is greatful to JC for her massively increased majority and will now support him in future. | |
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| Chris Leslie MP on 17:40 - Jun 10 with 1297 views | Private_Partz |
| Chris Leslie MP on 13:50 - Jun 10 by Glyn1 |
It's a bit of a myth that this manifesto was particularly radical from the Labour supporters' viewpoint. It certainly wasn't as radical as Tony Blair's in 1997 which brought in a windfall tax on the privatised utility companies that raised £5 billion that was then spent on the New Deal welfare-to-work project for those on long-term unemployment, as well as providing capital investment for schools and universities.
The fact that centrist/right wing Labour supporters such as the Guardian's Polly Toynbee really liked this year's manifesto means that it wasn't that radical which I presume is evidence of Corbyn trying to unify the party. |
It is radical in this day and age. But I take your point. The Blarite argument has always been is that they don't think JC is electable. The annoying thing for me was, had they supported him from the off, he probably would be PM now.
They are the main reasons for Labour not shifting enough seats despite presiding over the greatest vote increase since Clem Atlee in 1945. [Post edited 10 Jun 2017 17:40]
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