| Brexit boom on 10:15 - Jul 22 with 2407 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Brexit boom on 22:56 - Jul 21 by longlostjack |
For example if you applied for a job in Germany and you were Brazilian the local job centres would check whether there was anybody on their books from Germany or an EU state who could do the job. They would take priority. Bureaucratic nightmare for the employer who may want the Brazilian and negative for the Brazilian who would love that job in Germany. "Going forward" hate that phrase too ;-) substitute Brazilian for Brit. [Post edited 21 Jul 2017 23:02]
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Are you sure about this?
There are ways around it. Ive seen my previous company hire an Intern (yes, a fcking 21 yr old intern to do basic stuff) in Brazil and ship them over to the UK using internal assignee processes.
Are we really saying this is positive for the UK? That there are no 21 yr olds here who can do these jobs?
I see your point, but its swings and roundabouts surely? Positives and negatives |  |
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| Brexit boom on 10:16 - Jul 22 with 2407 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 09:33 - Jul 22 by Highjack |
Well that's impossible to say really as our elected parliament are unable to have a vote on them as they automatically supersede British law. If our elected parliament were able to reject things handed down by the unelected commission then we may have turned quite a few away but we shall never know. |
Surely you can name at least one? After all this was a big vote leave argument.
I always understood that the UK had the power to veto any EU law and we also had elected officials like Nigel farage who would fight our case in creating these law. |  | | |
| Brexit boom on 10:23 - Jul 22 with 2399 views | felixstowe_jack |
The veto was removed many years under one of the treaties.
The EU parliament does not make EU laws the unelected commissioners make EU laws which the EU parliament only rubber stamps.
The EU parliament votes to reject the EU accounts every year but the commissioners carry on anyway. The last couple of years the EU parliament had voted against the EU budget but the commissioners just used their powers to overrule them.
As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament" | |
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| Brexit boom on 10:24 - Jul 22 with 2396 views | Kerouac |
Some things to think about...
- The UK is the 2nd largest contributor (out of only 8 contributors).
- The only country that contributes more money is Germany, but they have a much higher population.
- Despite our generosity the UK receives the least from the EU in terms of 'per head of population'
- When we leave the price of food, clothes, wine etc. will come down by up to 20%. Why? Because there are EU tariffs in place designed to protect EU based suppliers from competition based outside the EU .
e.g. American, Australian, Kiwi and South African wine would be a lot cheaper at the supermarket but we are paying to be part of a club whose main aim, in this instance, is to protect French, Spanish and Italian producers from the competition.
- More money in people's pockets (especially the low paid whose income is most affected by expensive food and clothes) = more spending in the economy (growth) and more paying down of personal debt.
- Trade deals, read this blog he is 100% correct...
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/brexit-and-free-trade-agreements/
- The EU's insistence that the ECJ oversee EU citizens in the UK going forward (meaning that they have the same rights as they would when residing in the EU) is a political calculation....they want UK citizens to get the idea into our head that we will have less rights than EU citzens post Brexit.
This is outrageous from the EU, what they are proposing is akin to 'the Capitulations' (see the fall of the Ottoman Empire...how Europeans doing business and living in the Ottoman empire were still treated as citizens of France, Germany, Italy, the UK etc.)
All it actually betrays is the mindset of politicians and bureaucrats in Brussels...they think they are a great empire imposing their rules on their neighbours at will...and fundamentally proves that those remainers who claimed that our sovereignty was never compromised as members of the EU were talking out of their arse. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 10:31 - Jul 22 with 2383 views | felixstowe_jack |
What a great summary!!!!!!! | |
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| Brexit boom on 15:24 - Jul 22 with 2342 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit boom on 09:33 - Jul 22 by Highjack |
Well that's impossible to say really as our elected parliament are unable to have a vote on them as they automatically supersede British law. If our elected parliament were able to reject things handed down by the unelected commission then we may have turned quite a few away but we shall never know. |
You miss my point. The UK is a full and influential member of the EU and is fully involved in the lawmaking process. It's not as if it's just a bunch of Johnny Foreigners sitting in darkened rooms thinking up laws specifically to piss the UK off. The UK is represented at all levels of the EU lawmaking process. The UK is represented on the EU Commission, UK Ministers are on the EU Council of Ministers where our voting rights are worth about 13% of the total and there are 73 UK MEPs.
So my question again, how many of the regulations we've apparently been "force fed" did the UK actively oppose during thr EU lawmaking process?
On top of all that, successive UK parliaments have ratified the treaties and passed the legislation that gives EU regulations legal effect in the UK.
And of course while EU regulations are directly applicable to all EU member states, directives require domestic law to be changed to transpose them, giving national parliaments more scrutiny. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 17:02 - Jul 22 with 2317 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Brexit boom on 15:24 - Jul 22 by exiledclaseboy |
You miss my point. The UK is a full and influential member of the EU and is fully involved in the lawmaking process. It's not as if it's just a bunch of Johnny Foreigners sitting in darkened rooms thinking up laws specifically to piss the UK off. The UK is represented at all levels of the EU lawmaking process. The UK is represented on the EU Commission, UK Ministers are on the EU Council of Ministers where our voting rights are worth about 13% of the total and there are 73 UK MEPs.
So my question again, how many of the regulations we've apparently been "force fed" did the UK actively oppose during thr EU lawmaking process?
On top of all that, successive UK parliaments have ratified the treaties and passed the legislation that gives EU regulations legal effect in the UK.
And of course while EU regulations are directly applicable to all EU member states, directives require domestic law to be changed to transpose them, giving national parliaments more scrutiny. |
The veto was removed many years under one of the treaties.
The EU parliament does not make EU laws the unelected commissioners make EU laws which the EU parliament only rubber stamps.
The EU parliament votes to reject the EU accounts every year but the commissioners carry on anyway. The last couple of years the EU parliament had voted against the EU budget but the commissioners just used their powers to overrule them.
As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament" | |
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| Brexit boom on 17:10 - Jul 22 with 2308 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit boom on 17:02 - Jul 22 by felixstowe_jack |
The veto was removed many years under one of the treaties.
The EU parliament does not make EU laws the unelected commissioners make EU laws which the EU parliament only rubber stamps.
The EU parliament votes to reject the EU accounts every year but the commissioners carry on anyway. The last couple of years the EU parliament had voted against the EU budget but the commissioners just used their powers to overrule them.
As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament" |
Yeah that's a repeat if your earlier post but it has no relevance to my point. And I never mentioned the veto. | |
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| Brexit boom on 17:10 - Jul 22 with 2306 views | deanscfc |
Seen the £ to euro exchange rates? Sorry but anyone still unable to accept that they made a mistake in voting for Brexit by now needs to take a good look at themself. British people are poorer both at home and much poorer abroad. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 17:15 - Jul 22 with 2299 views | ploppy |
| Brexit boom on 17:10 - Jul 22 by deanscfc |
Seen the £ to euro exchange rates? Sorry but anyone still unable to accept that they made a mistake in voting for Brexit by now needs to take a good look at themself. British people are poorer both at home and much poorer abroad. |
But companies that export to the EU are doing better.
Besides, exchange rates tend to go in cycles. Five years ago it was 1.27, 2 years ago it was 1.44. In the early 90s the pound was $2. For a long time it was around $1.50. Now it's about $1.30. Take the rough with smooth and over the long term you'll be OK. Unless you've got major expenses in a foreign currency I wouldn't worry. And if you do, you should be hedging against fluctuations. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 17:28]
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| Brexit boom on 17:19 - Jul 22 with 2296 views | felixstowe_jack |
Most of that drop was caused by the Bank of England panicking and cutting interest rates and printing more pounds after Brexit.
An interesting quote from Mr Barnier made to the House of Lords Select committee.
"There are thousands of town halls, municipalities, businesses and universities that have undertaken projects on the basis of those undertakings and commitments. IF we to cut 15%, that is the UK Share, there will be an explosion everywhere across board."
Sound like the EU might implode without UK money.
The UK receives less per head at 107 Euros than per person than any other EU Country. Luxembourg by the way gets 2,993 Euros per person. | |
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| Brexit boom on 17:26 - Jul 22 with 2288 views | longlostjack |
| Brexit boom on 17:19 - Jul 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Most of that drop was caused by the Bank of England panicking and cutting interest rates and printing more pounds after Brexit.
An interesting quote from Mr Barnier made to the House of Lords Select committee.
"There are thousands of town halls, municipalities, businesses and universities that have undertaken projects on the basis of those undertakings and commitments. IF we to cut 15%, that is the UK Share, there will be an explosion everywhere across board."
Sound like the EU might implode without UK money.
The UK receives less per head at 107 Euros than per person than any other EU Country. Luxembourg by the way gets 2,993 Euros per person. |
Fog in Channel- Europe cut off. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 17:33 - Jul 22 with 2278 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Brexit boom on 17:19 - Jul 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Most of that drop was caused by the Bank of England panicking and cutting interest rates and printing more pounds after Brexit.
An interesting quote from Mr Barnier made to the House of Lords Select committee.
"There are thousands of town halls, municipalities, businesses and universities that have undertaken projects on the basis of those undertakings and commitments. IF we to cut 15%, that is the UK Share, there will be an explosion everywhere across board."
Sound like the EU might implode without UK money.
The UK receives less per head at 107 Euros than per person than any other EU Country. Luxembourg by the way gets 2,993 Euros per person. |
Much like yourself, im very much pro-Brexit. However, think there needs to be some perspective and pragmastism around the concept of "the EU will fall apart without our contributions".
We contribute around £17bn p.a. before rebate of £4bn and and another £4bn of returned spend. Net contributions work out at about £9bn p.a. In the grand scheme of things, that is backpocket change. Royal Mail has a turnover figure of that size.
The EU will plug that hole easily enough with funding by cuts elsewhere, or maybe with new money through improved performance.
The bigger fishies are the trade deals and the like | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Brexit boom on 17:41 - Jul 22 with 2267 views | DJack |
| Brexit boom on 17:02 - Jul 22 by felixstowe_jack |
The veto was removed many years under one of the treaties.
The EU parliament does not make EU laws the unelected commissioners make EU laws which the EU parliament only rubber stamps.
The EU parliament votes to reject the EU accounts every year but the commissioners carry on anyway. The last couple of years the EU parliament had voted against the EU budget but the commissioners just used their powers to overrule them.
As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament" |
"As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament""
I call BullshÃt
It was for an address from Malta's Prime minster (Muscat) and Muscat ,gently, put junker in his box. Here is the actual event with the actual quotes and not your Fake News...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-juncker-idUSKBN19P17D?il=0
Also it ends with a quote from Muscat which you may find interesting... or totally ignore. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 17:46 - Jul 22 with 2257 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Brexit boom on 17:41 - Jul 22 by DJack |
"As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament""
I call BullshÃt
It was for an address from Malta's Prime minster (Muscat) and Muscat ,gently, put junker in his box. Here is the actual event with the actual quotes and not your Fake News...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-juncker-idUSKBN19P17D?il=0
Also it ends with a quote from Muscat which you may find interesting... or totally ignore. |
I agree Junker did say it thanks for your confirmation.
STRASBOURG (Reuters) - EU chief executive Jean-Claude Juncker called European lawmakers "ridiculous" on Tuesday for failing to turn up to an address by Malta's prime minister, saying they should show more respect for smaller members of the bloc.
Juncker, himself from the small Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, was visibly annoyed as he watched the proceedings in the near empty parliamentary chamber in Strasbourg.
"You are ridiculous," the European Commission president told the gathering called to listen to a speech by Malta's Joseph Muscat, in a blunt public rebuke of another EU institution. | |
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| Brexit boom on 17:47 - Jul 22 with 2257 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Brexit boom on 17:41 - Jul 22 by DJack |
"As Mr Junker said recently when only 30 Euro MPs out of 780 turned up for his speech "What is the point of the EU parliament""
I call BullshÃt
It was for an address from Malta's Prime minster (Muscat) and Muscat ,gently, put junker in his box. Here is the actual event with the actual quotes and not your Fake News...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-juncker-idUSKBN19P17D?il=0
Also it ends with a quote from Muscat which you may find interesting... or totally ignore. |
Oooph. Bit of irony there. Juncker and the like trying to show that all the nations are united whilst trying to keep the smaller nations onside, but nobody bothered to turn up to listen to one of them.
Probably all on their summer breaks. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Brexit boom on 17:48 - Jul 22 with 2256 views | DJack |
| Brexit boom on 17:33 - Jul 22 by PozuelosSideys |
Much like yourself, im very much pro-Brexit. However, think there needs to be some perspective and pragmastism around the concept of "the EU will fall apart without our contributions".
We contribute around £17bn p.a. before rebate of £4bn and and another £4bn of returned spend. Net contributions work out at about £9bn p.a. In the grand scheme of things, that is backpocket change. Royal Mail has a turnover figure of that size.
The EU will plug that hole easily enough with funding by cuts elsewhere, or maybe with new money through improved performance.
The bigger fishies are the trade deals and the like |
A good post. I disagree with your pro_Brexit view but fully agree with the use of perspective. Even more importantly to us as a nation, as you point out, the trade deals are the major issues. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Brexit boom on 17:52 - Jul 22 with 2252 views | felixstowe_jack |
Trade with EU a deficit of £71 billion per year
Trade with the rest of the World a surplus of £34 billion per year.
It clearly makes senses to do more trade with the rest of the World and less with the EU to reduce our deficit. | |
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| Brexit boom on 19:23 - Jul 22 with 2218 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit boom on 17:15 - Jul 22 by ploppy |
But companies that export to the EU are doing better.
Besides, exchange rates tend to go in cycles. Five years ago it was 1.27, 2 years ago it was 1.44. In the early 90s the pound was $2. For a long time it was around $1.50. Now it's about $1.30. Take the rough with smooth and over the long term you'll be OK. Unless you've got major expenses in a foreign currency I wouldn't worry. And if you do, you should be hedging against fluctuations. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 17:28]
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In currency exchanges British people are getting parity for euros to the £, some are getting less. The reasons for it are blindingly obvious...what has happened to the £ in the last year is no ordinary 'fluctuation'...you and other leave voters need to be honest with yourselves.
As for exporters...last time i checked our trade deficit had actually grown. What i care about is that British people are poorer at home with prices rising faster than wages and abroad we are much poorer because our £ crashed so significantly. As for 'i wouldn't worry about it'..what does that even mean? Those of us who do like to get away or see the world every so often end up paying hundreds more on top of the extra we pay at home in price rises. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 19:24 - Jul 22 with 2216 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit boom on 17:52 - Jul 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Trade with EU a deficit of £71 billion per year
Trade with the rest of the World a surplus of £34 billion per year.
It clearly makes senses to do more trade with the rest of the World and less with the EU to reduce our deficit. |
Our trade deficit grew recently despite claims of our crashed currency being great for exporters.
People need to stop b*llshitting. There never was and isn't anything good about the UK having less buying power in the world due to the £ losing so much worth. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 19:48 - Jul 22 with 2197 views | DJack |
What's funnier is that he uses "headline" statements without any detail or context (as it would undermine the statement) and then occasionally he finds an article which supports his statement in a limited fashion and he provides us with said link or excerpt as a fait accompli. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Brexit boom on 19:53 - Jul 22 with 2195 views | ploppy |
| Brexit boom on 19:23 - Jul 22 by deanscfc |
In currency exchanges British people are getting parity for euros to the £, some are getting less. The reasons for it are blindingly obvious...what has happened to the £ in the last year is no ordinary 'fluctuation'...you and other leave voters need to be honest with yourselves.
As for exporters...last time i checked our trade deficit had actually grown. What i care about is that British people are poorer at home with prices rising faster than wages and abroad we are much poorer because our £ crashed so significantly. As for 'i wouldn't worry about it'..what does that even mean? Those of us who do like to get away or see the world every so often end up paying hundreds more on top of the extra we pay at home in price rises. |
What does it even mean? If you can afford it, go. If you can't afford it, don't go. Or go somewhere cheaper (I know someone who's just booked a flight to Bulgaria for £15). If you've booked and paid then it's only spends you have to worry about.
Or go somewhere in the UK.
Where are people getting less than a euro for a pound? If they are, they're doing it wrong. Best way in these circumstances is always to use credit/debit cards abroad and get euros there. But don't just blindly use any card. Check Martin Lewis' website for the best cards. Halifax Clarity card consistently comes top, or close to. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 19:59]
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| Brexit boom on 02:46 - Jul 23 with 2138 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit boom on 19:53 - Jul 22 by ploppy |
What does it even mean? If you can afford it, go. If you can't afford it, don't go. Or go somewhere cheaper (I know someone who's just booked a flight to Bulgaria for £15). If you've booked and paid then it's only spends you have to worry about.
Or go somewhere in the UK.
Where are people getting less than a euro for a pound? If they are, they're doing it wrong. Best way in these circumstances is always to use credit/debit cards abroad and get euros there. But don't just blindly use any card. Check Martin Lewis' website for the best cards. Halifax Clarity card consistently comes top, or close to. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 19:59]
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Funnily enough I recently went to Bulgaria and yes it was cheap.
At cardiff airport, the rate was just 88 cents to the euro:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pound-euro-88-cents-exchange-rate
Now obviously changing currency at an airport is a bad idea but the point is that this a new low figure and why? Because Brexit is damaging the UK more. | | | |
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