| Brexit boom on 21:58 - Jul 6 with 1989 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit boom on 21:35 - Jul 6 by Swans777 |
It is a different discussion altogether. We have also had poor inward investment before Brexit too. If we stick to the question that was asked and not move the goalposts to suit, would be great. 👠[Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:36]
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With so much great news around, then please can you confirm that - the NHS will get its £350 million per week, and the structural funds from the nice European people to Wales will be covered by UK govt ?
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| Brexit boom on 22:05 - Jul 6 with 1980 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 21:58 - Jul 6 by Kilkennyjack |
With so much great news around, then please can you confirm that - the NHS will get its £350 million per week, and the structural funds from the nice European people to Wales will be covered by UK govt ?
Only kidding. |
Ah the £350 million question the remain side like to throw about. Very easy to answer and that is that by leaving the EU the U.K. Will save billions of £ by not paying the annual subscription fees. That money can then be spend on whatever the government at the time decides to spend it on. The NHS is one likely area, so I'd say education, infrastructure projects and many others. |  | | |
| Brexit boom on 22:09 - Jul 6 with 1972 views | Swans777 |
I'm sorry but the F.I.D for HPC was not approved pre Brexit, and that my friend is a fact. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 22:10 - Jul 6 with 1970 views | the_oracle |
| Brexit boom on 21:22 - Jul 6 by Swans777 |
A few other investments since Brexit into the U.K. :- Australian company Peak resources have invested £100m in a new minerals refinery in the tees valley.
DONG Energy , a Danish company have also committed £12 billion to renewable energy projects in the U.K. By 2020.
Chinese firm CNBM has also committed to investing £2.5 billion into development of 25000 modular homes in the U.K..
This Brexit ain't nowhere near as bad as the EU loving zealots are making it out to be.
I'm more optimistic now than before the Brexit vote. [Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:51]
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Looks like pre brexit vote to me. http://www.dongenergy.co.uk/news/press-releases/articles/worlds-largest-ever-off |  | | |
| Brexit boom on 22:19 - Jul 6 with 1959 views | Swans777 |
I think you are clutching at straws my friend, inward investment is still continuing post Brexit.
The saddest part about Brexit is that some on the remain side, want to see the country struggle, but it ain't going to happen. Yes there maybe a realignment in the economy, but Brexit will prove to be a total success. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 22:23 - Jul 6 with 1952 views | the_oracle |
| Brexit boom on 22:09 - Jul 6 by Swans777 |
I'm sorry but the F.I.D for HPC was not approved pre Brexit, and that my friend is a fact. |
The FID was due to be approved before the referendum but was held up because of concern ( pointed out earlier) about costs. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 22:34 - Jul 6 with 1940 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 22:23 - Jul 6 by the_oracle |
The FID was due to be approved before the referendum but was held up because of concern ( pointed out earlier) about costs. |
It was not approved before Brexit and if EDF & CGN were that concerned regarding Brexit, they had the opportunity not to carry on with the project.
The Fact that HPC now has over 2000 already working there and up to 6000 eventually, proves that EDF & CGN were happy to proceed post Brexit and also answers your question that you asked regarding inward investment. [Post edited 6 Jul 2017 22:44]
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| Brexit boom on 22:42 - Jul 6 with 1934 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 22:23 - Jul 6 by the_oracle |
The FID was due to be approved before the referendum but was held up because of concern ( pointed out earlier) about costs. |
Unions in France threatening legal action against EDF, along with negotiations with CGN were the main reasons why the FID took a long time to be approved.
Anyway HPC is a sideshow in this Brexit debate. The truth is inward investment is still continuing post Brexit, or do you disagree?. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 23:46 - Jul 6 with 1914 views | Kerouac |
Here is something else to look forward too;
A report by the think tank Civitas showed that EU exporters would pay £13 billion in tariffs under WTO rules to the UK while Britain would be only liable for £5 billion to the EU.
So we could compensate those companies the £5bn they will pay in tariffs and still be £8bn up.
We could spend that all on the NHS if we like. It will be up to the government of the day.
....and no leaving bill
...and we would still have our £10bn+ a year that we would no longer be paying into the EU to invest in GROWING THE PRIVATE SECTOR (which is kind of the pressing need at this moment in time)
...or you could vote Corbyn and he could spend it all on milkybars for everybody.
Actually we would be morally right to stop all UK taxpayer cash flowing to the EU tomorrow morning (after all, despite still paying for full membership we are currently at the sh*tty end of the stick regarding the Transport budget...the EU Commission announced a £2.4 bn funding package for 152 “key transport projects that support competitive, clean and connected mobility in Europe”.
£1.6bn was earmarked for the 15 poorest EU states.
£900m for the 13 wealthiest states.
Q. How much did the UK get do you reckon?
A. £3.3m (and half of that money has been put aside for a road between Belfast and Dublin).
Q. How much did Germany get?
A. £87.1m
...and how about the EU excluding UK representatives where deemed appropriate because of sensitive information re: Brexit negotiations.
No taxation without representation has always seemed a good principle too me.
...but before we get to that point when we walk, let the whole world and all of the citizens of the EU see just how incompetent and reckless these feckers in Brussels are. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 00:33 - Jul 7 with 1906 views | DJack |
| Brexit boom on 21:25 - Jul 6 by LeonWasGod |
Fair enough. I'd be more interested in whether they're good investments, but that sounds like a different discussion. |
Balls , hit the wrong arrow...sorry. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 00:36 - Jul 7 with 1905 views | DJack |
| Brexit boom on 21:35 - Jul 6 by Swans777 |
It is a different discussion altogether. We have also had poor inward investment before Brexit too. If we stick to the question that was asked and not move the goalposts to suit, would be great. 👠[Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:36]
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..."move the goalposts"..."Strong and stable", "don't deal with terrorists"
Have you not noticed that the financial sector is starting to set up elsewhere in Europe in preparation to leave the UK. The very sector which is propping up our economy. You are deluded. | |
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| Brexit boom on 01:12 - Jul 7 with 1899 views | Kerouac |
| Brexit boom on 00:36 - Jul 7 by DJack |
..."move the goalposts"..."Strong and stable", "don't deal with terrorists"
Have you not noticed that the financial sector is starting to set up elsewhere in Europe in preparation to leave the UK. The very sector which is propping up our economy. You are deluded. |
go on...(details) | |
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| Brexit boom on 04:32 - Jul 7 with 1881 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 00:36 - Jul 7 by DJack |
..."move the goalposts"..."Strong and stable", "don't deal with terrorists"
Have you not noticed that the financial sector is starting to set up elsewhere in Europe in preparation to leave the UK. The very sector which is propping up our economy. You are deluded. |
No I haven't noticed, could you show some concrete evidence that the financial services sector is leaving the U.K., and moving across the channel. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:47 - Jul 7 with 1835 views | longlostjack |
| Brexit boom on 04:32 - Jul 7 by Swans777 |
No I haven't noticed, could you show some concrete evidence that the financial services sector is leaving the U.K., and moving across the channel. |
The financial markets are more concerned with potential restrictions on movement of labour at the moment - Euro clearing business aside. They have difficulty enough finding IT specialists. At the moment it's hassle free to attract people with the necessary skills from the Baltic states for example. There is a real concern that having to apply for work permits will create major problems. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 10:53 - Jul 7 with 1820 views | LeonWasGod |
Here's the report from the pro-Leave Telegraph (to try and cut off accusations of bias)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/03/japanese-banking-giant-sumitomo-m
Not that I'm keen on these individual cases; I'd rather see a broader picture but I guess this is all we've got to go on for now.
edit - EU positioning itself nicely with Japan it seems. Major Japanese companies making Germany their home and a new free trade deal just signed. Our loss will be Germany's gain in this case. [Post edited 7 Jul 2017 10:56]
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| Brexit boom on 11:10 - Jul 7 with 1804 views | longlostjack |
| Brexit boom on 10:53 - Jul 7 by LeonWasGod |
Here's the report from the pro-Leave Telegraph (to try and cut off accusations of bias)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/03/japanese-banking-giant-sumitomo-m
Not that I'm keen on these individual cases; I'd rather see a broader picture but I guess this is all we've got to go on for now.
edit - EU positioning itself nicely with Japan it seems. Major Japanese companies making Germany their home and a new free trade deal just signed. Our loss will be Germany's gain in this case. [Post edited 7 Jul 2017 10:56]
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Yes but the UK will sign an even bigger and better deal with Japan once we are set free from those nasty Brussels bureaucrats who are out to destroy us. Keep up ;-) | |
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| Brexit boom on 11:14 - Jul 7 with 1799 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 23:46 - Jul 6 by Kerouac |
Here is something else to look forward too;
A report by the think tank Civitas showed that EU exporters would pay £13 billion in tariffs under WTO rules to the UK while Britain would be only liable for £5 billion to the EU.
So we could compensate those companies the £5bn they will pay in tariffs and still be £8bn up.
We could spend that all on the NHS if we like. It will be up to the government of the day.
....and no leaving bill
...and we would still have our £10bn+ a year that we would no longer be paying into the EU to invest in GROWING THE PRIVATE SECTOR (which is kind of the pressing need at this moment in time)
...or you could vote Corbyn and he could spend it all on milkybars for everybody.
Actually we would be morally right to stop all UK taxpayer cash flowing to the EU tomorrow morning (after all, despite still paying for full membership we are currently at the sh*tty end of the stick regarding the Transport budget...the EU Commission announced a £2.4 bn funding package for 152 “key transport projects that support competitive, clean and connected mobility in Europe”.
£1.6bn was earmarked for the 15 poorest EU states.
£900m for the 13 wealthiest states.
Q. How much did the UK get do you reckon?
A. £3.3m (and half of that money has been put aside for a road between Belfast and Dublin).
Q. How much did Germany get?
A. £87.1m
...and how about the EU excluding UK representatives where deemed appropriate because of sensitive information re: Brexit negotiations.
No taxation without representation has always seemed a good principle too me.
...but before we get to that point when we walk, let the whole world and all of the citizens of the EU see just how incompetent and reckless these feckers in Brussels are. |
If the EU exporters will have to pay £13m in tariffs to export to us, who do you think will pick up the bill? They're not going to drop their prices to soak up the export costs which is currently free. Its more likely they will add the export cost on top of their wholesale cost. It will be us consumers picking up this bill. It will be made even worse by the fall in the value if the £.
With regards to it being morally right to stop paying what we're due to the EU tomorrow, well that's wrong too as we agreed to pay these whilst we're in the EU. Try cancelling your 2 year mobile phone deal half way through the contract if you don't believe me. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 13:28 - Jul 7 with 1748 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 19:03 - Jul 6 by Kerouac |
You say it is the Brexiteers who are lusting for the empire of the past and yet it is those who believe in the EU who long for a seat at the top table jousting with the US, China, Russia and India (who you missed out but who will also be at that table by mid century).
I've got news for you. We haven't been at the top table since WWII and in the context of the EU were sidelined by France and Germany from the start.
They have steadfastly ripped us off and ignored our wishes for the EU's direction of travel ALL THE WAY ALONG.
That is what is so laughable whenever some politician claims that he wants to stay in but reform it from the inside...that hasn't worked.
It used to be France and Germany who called the shots but now it is just Germany who wields all the power.
That is reality.
Evidence?
Here is two examples;
- Reform of the CAP...Tony Blair gave up billions (more!) of UK taxpayers cash on the promise it would be reformed. They soft soaked us. Around 40% of the EU budget still gets spent on CAP and French farmers still take most of it.
- Completion of the Single Market in services....we have been arguing for this since the late 80s (30 f-u-c-k-i-n-g years). It hasn't happened because it would be good for the UK and bad for the Germans and the French. Plain and simple, naked protectionism...which is what the EU is all about of course.
....and by the way your desire to be a leading player in an EU that competes with the likes of China is pure fantasy.
China is unified. It's citizens share a language, a culture, a history. It is successful economically. It's influence and power is growing. They have the largest standing army in the World. They are the world's 3rd military power and hope to one day be number one. Their citizens would die for China.
They are dominating their neighbours and see South East Asia as their sphere of influence, they think they will set the rules in that part of the World and there is nothing to suggest that they have got that one wrong.
The EU?
Is a shambles, different factions, they can't agree on anything...a multitude of languages, cultures...a shared history of war with each other.
A currency that serves only one of it's states, Germany...zombie banks, debt laden states that can't or won't stick to the fiscal rules of the EU...mass unemployment...unelected unaccountable socialists stymying the economy...it's share of the World economy shrinking, it's population shrinking.
It hasn't invested in armed forces (happy to take the free ride on the Americans under the Nato umbrella..while simultaneously its left wing political parties openly dissent against US "imperialism" and chip away at that alliance to the extent where the The Us and their military are like dirty words among the chattering classes and the student population...despite the US riding to their rescue in two world wars)...it hopes to have an EU army one day but has to use clandestine tactics to get there as the idea is so unpopular. Outside Brussels nobody would die for the idea of the EU, I'm not even sure some of the fanatical "believers" who work in their civil service would to be honest. No backbone.
The EU is being chipped away at and threatened on all sides. Russia, Turkey, Islamic terrorists of the Middle East and North Africa...they are slowly managing to turn the US against them also.
The EU cannot even defend it's borders.
The EU would like to dictate the rules to everyone else in the region but they can't even get their own member states to comply, frankly...
and now the state who is their 2nd biggest contributor, the UK...the architects of the single market and their strongest military partner have had enough of not being listened too...had enough of having the p*ss taken out of us and have had enough of being dictated to by people who have NO democratic authority...are walking.
The EU is a joke.
Only the remaining believers in "the faith" can't see it and it is you lot who are "lusting for the past".
Brexiters are for moving on and branching out. |
We were a main player in the EU. We have the power to veto any legislation that gets passed. We are/were also members at favorable terms (no schengen, keep the pound etc) Trouble is, as a nation we kept electing complete burks like Nigel Farage to represent us on the European stage. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 13:51 - Jul 7 with 1731 views | LeonWasGod |
| Brexit boom on 11:10 - Jul 7 by longlostjack |
Yes but the UK will sign an even bigger and better deal with Japan once we are set free from those nasty Brussels bureaucrats who are out to destroy us. Keep up ;-) |
And I'd forgotten Boris watched Tenko when he was a kid. Should be fine  | | | |
| Brexit boom on 14:55 - Jul 7 with 1717 views | Highjack |
| Brexit boom on 13:28 - Jul 7 by Batterseajack |
We were a main player in the EU. We have the power to veto any legislation that gets passed. We are/were also members at favorable terms (no schengen, keep the pound etc) Trouble is, as a nation we kept electing complete burks like Nigel Farage to represent us on the European stage. |
The writing was on the wall when the only euro sceptic party, who btw are an irrelevance in general elections actually won the European election. "Burks" like Farage were elected specifically for the reason of sticking two fingers up at the EU and saying we don't want you, we want out, and he's done a pretty decent job of doing what he was elected to do which is more than you can say about most politicians of any colour. |  |
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| Brexit boom on 16:29 - Jul 7 with 1696 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 14:55 - Jul 7 by Highjack |
The writing was on the wall when the only euro sceptic party, who btw are an irrelevance in general elections actually won the European election. "Burks" like Farage were elected specifically for the reason of sticking two fingers up at the EU and saying we don't want you, we want out, and he's done a pretty decent job of doing what he was elected to do which is more than you can say about most politicians of any colour. |
It becomes self for filling once they got elected. Instead of representing the UK's interests in Europe, participating in the rules that govern us, they sabotaged it by not getting involved, then coming back to our shores complaining that the UK was not being represented properly in Europe. Well no sh!t!
Still our fishermen should be better off or something | | | |
| Brexit boom on 18:04 - Jul 7 with 1664 views | Highjack |
| Brexit boom on 16:29 - Jul 7 by Batterseajack |
It becomes self for filling once they got elected. Instead of representing the UK's interests in Europe, participating in the rules that govern us, they sabotaged it by not getting involved, then coming back to our shores complaining that the UK was not being represented properly in Europe. Well no sh!t!
Still our fishermen should be better off or something |
That's exactly what they were elected for. The SNP do a similar thing in Westminster. As do Sinn Fein who get elected on an absentia platform.
In any case it doesn't matter if they were joining in or not because the European Parliament is just there to rubber stamp everything and give the illusion of a democratic process which isn't actually there but that's another thread. | |
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