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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? 19:03 - Aug 10 with 3234 viewsGowerjack

Interesting piece here from Criminal Law and Justice weekly.

In essence the referendum was only ever advisory invoking article 50 may have been illegal and May and her team are fully aware of this.

https://www.docdroid.net/EyjQhLM/clj-181-27-wolchover-5-final-approved-1.pdf

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 22:49 - Aug 10 with 403 viewsLoyal

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 20:07 - Aug 10 by waynekerr55

So a top legal voice is pointless and nonsense? Ever heard of analysing all sides of an argument?


Wasting your time mate.

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 22:49 - Aug 10 with 403 viewsr0ckin

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 22:41 - Aug 10 by oh_tommy_tommy

Kick em out was the word at the voting box

What a f ucking shambles


We all know this is what swung it, the belief that in 2 years time 'they'd all be sent packing'

In reality, it was genius brand management. There will be negligible differences in migration policy and this will cause A LOT of resentment, especially if as I suspect things get difficult on the economic score.

People bought into so many of the lies, project fear was basically exaggerations but not out and out lies like the leave campaign.

They swung it on fooling people into believing all this money would come back and immigrants would be sent packing. No way would they have won on hypothetical trade deals and so called losses of sovereignty.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 07:01 - Aug 11 with 356 viewsSwans777

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 22:49 - Aug 10 by r0ckin

We all know this is what swung it, the belief that in 2 years time 'they'd all be sent packing'

In reality, it was genius brand management. There will be negligible differences in migration policy and this will cause A LOT of resentment, especially if as I suspect things get difficult on the economic score.

People bought into so many of the lies, project fear was basically exaggerations but not out and out lies like the leave campaign.

They swung it on fooling people into believing all this money would come back and immigrants would be sent packing. No way would they have won on hypothetical trade deals and so called losses of sovereignty.


What makes me laugh is remoaners telling everyone why people voted to leave.
If there was another referendum tomorrow (there won't be) I'd still vote to leave and haven't met or spoken to anyone who voted to leave that has changed their mind.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 07:24 - Aug 11 with 347 viewsLeonWasGod

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 20:21 - Aug 10 by exiledclaseboy

That article is nonsense. An Act of Parliament was required to authorise the government to trigger withdrawal and such an Act was passed.


It seems as though it's not as simple as that, and that the devil is in the detail of the wording of the Act. Sounds like clutching at straws to me, but if lawyers can argue semantics and get paid a fortune for doing so then this won't go away any time soon:

http://www.businessinsider.com/theory-article-50-not-triggered-eu-notification-w
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 08:40 - Aug 11 with 335 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The house of Parliament and the House of Lords both voted on the Bill to enact article 50. There it is totally legal in UK law. It is also the wish of the majority of the UK voters. This seems another fake news story from the remainers and democracy denyers.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 09:28 - Aug 11 with 320 viewswestwalesed

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 07:01 - Aug 11 by Swans777

What makes me laugh is remoaners telling everyone why people voted to leave.
If there was another referendum tomorrow (there won't be) I'd still vote to leave and haven't met or spoken to anyone who voted to leave that has changed their mind.


This post 1000 times over. The arrogance of those who voted to remain is breathtaking. I voted leave and I don't know a single person who voted leave to "send them packing" in relation to mass immigration.

What I do know is that people voted leave for the following reasons in general order of importance:

1) The basic principle of sovereignty - we were not a sovereign country and were subject to foreign (unelected) politicians imposing laws upon us; a "feeling" that this was simply not right;
2) Uncontrolled immigration - we were part of an immigration system which facilitated uncontrolled, low skilled workers from half a billion people. This has been catastrophic to working class communities across the UK. As a result the only part which we could control (immigration from outside the EU) was tight. We therefore discriminated against the rest of the world and were unable to prioritise skill sets WHICH WE ACTUALLY NEED. Not once did hear a single racist statement in relation to this. That includes my middle class professional friends and my anecdotal chats down the pub in Newcastle Emlyn with SO CALLED ORDINARY people.
3) Re-patriation of money. Actually the £350 million a week is FACTUALLY CORRECT.
We do send £350 million a week to the EU.
Yes we get some back in a rebate.
BUT THAT REBATE COULD BE CHALLENGED AND REMOVED AT ANY TIME BY THE OTHER 27 EU COUNTRIES.

On a side note, EVERY ELECTION IN THE UK IS ADVISORY. That's because the Monarch, as a result of any given General Election GRANTS the victorious leader from the victorious political party the opportunity to form a Government. Should I challenge every election result that ends in a left wing victory on the basis I don't like it? It's utterly, utterly, pathetic and my Grandfather who RAN AT BULLETS ON FRENCH BEACHES for our freedoms would be utterly ashamed .
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 10:04 - Aug 11 with 306 viewsHighjack

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 20:07 - Aug 10 by waynekerr55

So a top legal voice is pointless and nonsense? Ever heard of analysing all sides of an argument?


I do hope this top legal expert who has uncovered criminal behaviour has taken all his evidence to the police who can investigate and prosecute those who have broken the law of the land.

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 10:39 - Aug 11 with 292 viewsAnotherJohn

Probably won't interest many, but a counter-argument is set out here:

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2017/06/14/kenneth-armstrong-has-article-50-real
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 11:19 - Aug 11 with 274 viewsr0ckin

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 07:01 - Aug 11 by Swans777

What makes me laugh is remoaners telling everyone why people voted to leave.
If there was another referendum tomorrow (there won't be) I'd still vote to leave and haven't met or spoken to anyone who voted to leave that has changed their mind.


If there was a referendum tomorrow, remain would win convincingly and that's why leave 'democrats' are scared sh1tless about the prospect of another one with the public more knowledgeable about the subject.

Leave supporters can't argue points, all they do is shout slogans and use terms like remoaner. I dare you to answer the points I made regarding immigration for instance.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 11:25 - Aug 11 with 269 viewsr0ckin

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 09:28 - Aug 11 by westwalesed

This post 1000 times over. The arrogance of those who voted to remain is breathtaking. I voted leave and I don't know a single person who voted leave to "send them packing" in relation to mass immigration.

What I do know is that people voted leave for the following reasons in general order of importance:

1) The basic principle of sovereignty - we were not a sovereign country and were subject to foreign (unelected) politicians imposing laws upon us; a "feeling" that this was simply not right;
2) Uncontrolled immigration - we were part of an immigration system which facilitated uncontrolled, low skilled workers from half a billion people. This has been catastrophic to working class communities across the UK. As a result the only part which we could control (immigration from outside the EU) was tight. We therefore discriminated against the rest of the world and were unable to prioritise skill sets WHICH WE ACTUALLY NEED. Not once did hear a single racist statement in relation to this. That includes my middle class professional friends and my anecdotal chats down the pub in Newcastle Emlyn with SO CALLED ORDINARY people.
3) Re-patriation of money. Actually the £350 million a week is FACTUALLY CORRECT.
We do send £350 million a week to the EU.
Yes we get some back in a rebate.
BUT THAT REBATE COULD BE CHALLENGED AND REMOVED AT ANY TIME BY THE OTHER 27 EU COUNTRIES.

On a side note, EVERY ELECTION IN THE UK IS ADVISORY. That's because the Monarch, as a result of any given General Election GRANTS the victorious leader from the victorious political party the opportunity to form a Government. Should I challenge every election result that ends in a left wing victory on the basis I don't like it? It's utterly, utterly, pathetic and my Grandfather who RAN AT BULLETS ON FRENCH BEACHES for our freedoms would be utterly ashamed .


1) Name me a law that you have an issue with, go on ONE law, just one.

2) I've already talked about this, in previous posts and surprise surprise no one has responded to the points.

3) Again already spoken about this.

350m is the gross figure, which was naughty is was far more dramatic and they knew this that's why they used it. Like a private sector business saying a headline sales pitch and then putting T's & C's in place.

Not to repeat myself but this is 0.6% of GDP to be a member of the largest single market in the World on our door step. As I've already said, even leavers admit growth will be slower and that parity in terms of growth will take a decade so if you're an optimist on this front we won't see any benefits in this area for YEARS. I've already stated we're borrowing billions more already.

Please I dare you to question the figures not repeat the tired old victimhood assertion that we're all arrogant tw@s we just happen to care about our Country and are p1ssed off that we're embarking on an unnecessary course of action which will have no tangible benefits.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 11:59 - Aug 11 with 257 viewsAnotherJohn

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 11:25 - Aug 11 by r0ckin

1) Name me a law that you have an issue with, go on ONE law, just one.

2) I've already talked about this, in previous posts and surprise surprise no one has responded to the points.

3) Again already spoken about this.

350m is the gross figure, which was naughty is was far more dramatic and they knew this that's why they used it. Like a private sector business saying a headline sales pitch and then putting T's & C's in place.

Not to repeat myself but this is 0.6% of GDP to be a member of the largest single market in the World on our door step. As I've already said, even leavers admit growth will be slower and that parity in terms of growth will take a decade so if you're an optimist on this front we won't see any benefits in this area for YEARS. I've already stated we're borrowing billions more already.

Please I dare you to question the figures not repeat the tired old victimhood assertion that we're all arrogant tw@s we just happen to care about our Country and are p1ssed off that we're embarking on an unnecessary course of action which will have no tangible benefits.


EU law centres on the provisions of the treaties, as well as case law. The bits that sceptics do not like, especially from the Lexit side, are the various rules on economic governance that constrain national economic policy. This would include the 2011 EU Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance (the 'Six Pack'), as well as the 'Stability and Growth Pact' (include Medium-term Budgetary Objectives and the Excessive Deficit Procedure),. The latter was brought into EU law by Articles 121 and 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU). Taken together these provisions affect the public expenditure deficits that governments are allowed to run, put limits on public ownership, and according to some mean that austerity is here to stay. See what a Eurosceptic Remainer says:

http://www.flassbeck-economics.com/european-economic-governance-the-brexit-and-t

This could be why Jeremy is steering a course that some find puzzling.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:05 - Aug 11 with 246 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 09:28 - Aug 11 by westwalesed

This post 1000 times over. The arrogance of those who voted to remain is breathtaking. I voted leave and I don't know a single person who voted leave to "send them packing" in relation to mass immigration.

What I do know is that people voted leave for the following reasons in general order of importance:

1) The basic principle of sovereignty - we were not a sovereign country and were subject to foreign (unelected) politicians imposing laws upon us; a "feeling" that this was simply not right;
2) Uncontrolled immigration - we were part of an immigration system which facilitated uncontrolled, low skilled workers from half a billion people. This has been catastrophic to working class communities across the UK. As a result the only part which we could control (immigration from outside the EU) was tight. We therefore discriminated against the rest of the world and were unable to prioritise skill sets WHICH WE ACTUALLY NEED. Not once did hear a single racist statement in relation to this. That includes my middle class professional friends and my anecdotal chats down the pub in Newcastle Emlyn with SO CALLED ORDINARY people.
3) Re-patriation of money. Actually the £350 million a week is FACTUALLY CORRECT.
We do send £350 million a week to the EU.
Yes we get some back in a rebate.
BUT THAT REBATE COULD BE CHALLENGED AND REMOVED AT ANY TIME BY THE OTHER 27 EU COUNTRIES.

On a side note, EVERY ELECTION IN THE UK IS ADVISORY. That's because the Monarch, as a result of any given General Election GRANTS the victorious leader from the victorious political party the opportunity to form a Government. Should I challenge every election result that ends in a left wing victory on the basis I don't like it? It's utterly, utterly, pathetic and my Grandfather who RAN AT BULLETS ON FRENCH BEACHES for our freedoms would be utterly ashamed .


I can tell you now 100%

The most people I know voted to leave to close the borders and kick them out.

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:10 - Aug 11 with 242 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:05 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

I can tell you now 100%

The most people I know voted to leave to close the borders and kick them out.


How many people do you know, Tom?

And why do you hobnob with such racist bigots?
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:12 - Aug 11 with 236 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:10 - Aug 11 by Mo_Wives

How many people do you know, Tom?

And why do you hobnob with such racist bigots?
[Post edited 11 Aug 12:11]


Not as many as you've had usernames 😉

Everyone is a bigot of some sort
[Post edited 11 Aug 12:15]

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:12 - Aug 11 with 234 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:12 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

Not as many as you've had usernames 😉

Everyone is a bigot of some sort
[Post edited 11 Aug 12:15]




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[Post edited 11 Aug 12:14]

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:23 - Aug 11 with 220 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:12 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

Not as many as you've had usernames 😉

Everyone is a bigot of some sort
[Post edited 11 Aug 12:15]


Speak for yourself you bigot.

Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Na Na Nah...Who's bride is she?...

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:42 - Aug 11 with 201 viewsploppy

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:05 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

I can tell you now 100%

The most people I know voted to leave to close the borders and kick them out.


I can tell you now 100%. Everyone I know who voted to leave did so for other reasons.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:44 - Aug 11 with 199 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:42 - Aug 11 by ploppy

I can tell you now 100%. Everyone I know who voted to leave did so for other reasons.


Maybe your friends are not racist like Tom's

Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Na Na Nah...Who's bride is she?...

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:10 - Aug 11 with 189 viewsr0ckin

This has gone off down a semantic path, the point being made is that many if not most voted to lower immigration no's and not hypothetical trade deals which we have now put in the hands of unelected (laugh) civil servants and right wing tory politicians.

Fine if you believe in that and many do, many believe believe our heart beat is towards the States and the Commonwealth but the reality is I don't believe there was anywhere near a majority for that.

On the lexist post, for me the best reply I've had yet and yes there is an economic case for socialism. I've never doubted that. This is why as someone who believes in a market economy, with a good regulatory framework I believe in the EU. I don't believe in rampant capitalism that the likes of Redwood, Jacob Rees Mogg, farage etc believe in. Just as I don't believe in the Corbynista bankruptcy approach. The EU has been a benign force for peace and prosperity and we're leaving this to move towards extremes. That I don't believe ever had a mandate,
[Post edited 11 Aug 13:10]
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:13 - Aug 11 with 180 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 12:44 - Aug 11 by Mo_Wives

Maybe your friends are not racist like Tom's


Where have I mentioned my friends ?

Take some time out

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:15 - Aug 11 with 177 viewsSwans777

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:10 - Aug 11 by r0ckin

This has gone off down a semantic path, the point being made is that many if not most voted to lower immigration no's and not hypothetical trade deals which we have now put in the hands of unelected (laugh) civil servants and right wing tory politicians.

Fine if you believe in that and many do, many believe believe our heart beat is towards the States and the Commonwealth but the reality is I don't believe there was anywhere near a majority for that.

On the lexist post, for me the best reply I've had yet and yes there is an economic case for socialism. I've never doubted that. This is why as someone who believes in a market economy, with a good regulatory framework I believe in the EU. I don't believe in rampant capitalism that the likes of Redwood, Jacob Rees Mogg, farage etc believe in. Just as I don't believe in the Corbynista bankruptcy approach. The EU has been a benign force for peace and prosperity and we're leaving this to move towards extremes. That I don't believe ever had a mandate,
[Post edited 11 Aug 13:10]


Where was the mandate to even be in the EU.
The vote in 1972 , was to join the EEC.
Lies then and lies today.
The aim is to create a United States of Europe, through stealth and deception.
It's not what the majority in this country want, when will people like you listen ?. Probably never.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:18 - Aug 11 with 175 viewsr0ckin

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:13 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

Where have I mentioned my friends ?

Take some time out


I totally understand where Tommy is coming from we all have friends who hold opinions we don't like but we don't disown them because of it. If you're a decent friend you'll challenge them and hope to change their mind.

There is a lot of spin since the referendum to try and paint this as a result based on sovereignty and free trade when we all know that would never won in a million years. A month before the referendum remain was ahead in the polls by around 20% people were getting complacent. The change occurred when the Net immigration figures came out and after that the rest is history. It wasn't the only reason but it swung it no question and much of it was down to ignorance of the EU and FOM. We have literally voted to reduce our rights, it's quite a bizarre turn of events.
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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:19 - Aug 11 with 175 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:13 - Aug 11 by oh_tommy_tommy

Where have I mentioned my friends ?

Take some time out


Sorry, I apologise. Your friends are not racists...they're just bigots.
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Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Na Na Nah...Who's bride is she?...

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:21 - Aug 11 with 169 viewsMo_Wives

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:18 - Aug 11 by r0ckin

I totally understand where Tommy is coming from we all have friends who hold opinions we don't like but we don't disown them because of it. If you're a decent friend you'll challenge them and hope to change their mind.

There is a lot of spin since the referendum to try and paint this as a result based on sovereignty and free trade when we all know that would never won in a million years. A month before the referendum remain was ahead in the polls by around 20% people were getting complacent. The change occurred when the Net immigration figures came out and after that the rest is history. It wasn't the only reason but it swung it no question and much of it was down to ignorance of the EU and FOM. We have literally voted to reduce our rights, it's quite a bizarre turn of events.


TBF, I don't think Tom was saying he has racist or bigoted friends...it was just me playing word games with him. I shall take Tom's advice and take a time out.

Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Nah, Na Na Na Na Na Nah...Who's bride is she?...

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Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:26 - Aug 11 with 163 viewsr0ckin

Brexit result not legally binding - Has the PM committed a criminal act? on 13:15 - Aug 11 by Swans777

Where was the mandate to even be in the EU.
The vote in 1972 , was to join the EEC.
Lies then and lies today.
The aim is to create a United States of Europe, through stealth and deception.
It's not what the majority in this country want, when will people like you listen ?. Probably never.


Yes, you're correct.

I'm very pro EU, I haven't always been believe it or not I voted UKIP around 12 years ago. I have just grown to realise the error of my ways through reading both sides of the argument and listening to people over that period.

Yes when we joined the 'common market' it was a different entity but how many times do you hear old duffers say 'I voted to join a common market not a political union' yet what we're now advocating is leaving the common market and basically ripping up everything.

That is where the fault line lies and why the referendum was too binary and not nuanced. Poll after poll shows people favour being in single market and if you did a poll regarding 'common market' they would no doubt approve. We are embarking on an extreme exit.

I personally don't want a soft brexit, I want to remain and become a leading member of the EU driving through change but overall I'm probably a minority just like I believe you are. The majority in the Country is for an end to the political Union not the economic Union.
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