| Southampton Match Analysis 17:02 - Aug 12 with 4669 views | Nirvana |
Overall, very poor performance but good result. I think the stats speak for themselves:
Southampton - 28 shots/2 on target/60% possession
Swans - 4 shots/0 on target/40% possession
We clearly missed the quality of Siggy/Llorente in our overall play, and especially in terms of end product. Clement went with his now-trusted diamond with Routledge behind Abraham/Ayew up top, for roughly the opening half-hour.
Southampton attacked relentlessly down the left wing to great success, and then PC switched to his formerly-trusted 451 with Ayew/Routledge out wide. It stopped some of the onslaught, but Southampton missed so many clear chances I can't even remember them all.
(EDIT: PC brought on Bartley, went three at the back to shut up shop, and that was that.)
Overall, though, we got a draw away at Southampton, a good team. Success. That is how PC viewed it, obviously. Maybe we'll have Siggy/Llorente next weekend, and we'll get the win against Man U. Here's hoping. To the players... [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 17:49]
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:09 - Aug 12 with 1237 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 17:52 - Aug 12 by tomdickharry |
An inept performance in front of goal by the home team saved us from a hammering,if we play like we did today next week Utd will reach double figures. |
Excellent point, TomDickHarry.
Man U will not be so wasteful, even though that's been an issue of theirs, as well.
I hope we'll have some end product next week, at least.
If The Americans needed any reason to place a "DO NOT SALE" sign on Siggy, this performance was it.
Hopefully, they'll agree. [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 18:25]
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:10 - Aug 12 with 1232 views | TheResurrection |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:06 - Aug 12 by E20Jack |
Don't be silly, stating the formations followed by posting the match stats is a wonderfully in depth insightful analysis... even if the stats were wrong... twice. |
He'll be telling us next Clement quoted us all he was Viera's biggest fan and he was his number 1 target.
Who the fack is this clown??????
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:12 - Aug 12 with 1215 views | E20Jack |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:10 - Aug 12 by TheResurrection |
He'll be telling us next Clement quoted us all he was Viera's biggest fan and he was his number 1 target.
Who the fack is this clown??????
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Clement was ''looking forward to him'' apparently, remember. I notice that comment was quickly edited after you picked up on it. Embarrassing. |  |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:12 - Aug 12 with 1230 views | raynor94 |
We were Shit full stop! |  |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:14 - Aug 12 with 1219 views | awayjack |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 17:11 - Aug 12 by Oldjack |
i felt had we shown a more attacking intent instead of inviting trouble nearly all game ,we might have got a goal or two |
Yup it was odd to see the number of times we broke away, then just stopped and turned back to defence. Not sure if was tactics but Routs was more of Wingback. No AM therfore no outlet or creative and clear from KO we're playing for a draw. Oh for Siggy as there defence knew Routs, Fer, Ayew and Carrol can't shoot from range, so piss easy to close our few attacks down. |  | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:17 - Aug 12 with 1215 views | Nirvana |
And the "troll" is who again?
You can have the last word, Dimi and res, everything's always about you too anyway.
I see your jealousy and obsession has combined with rage tonight, and made for quite the trolling behavior.
I'll be the bigger man, as always.
Have at it, you miserable 'facks'. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:30 - Aug 12 with 1186 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:19 - Aug 12 by TheResurrection |
""Man U wi not be so wasteful, even though that's been an issue of theirs, as well. ""
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Correct, res.
Man U have problems finishing, but Lukaku/Mkhitaryan/Martial/Rashford are miles better than Gabbiadini/Redmond/Tadic.
I see you struggle to grasp even the most basic of ideas.
That's okay.
Your thread not going so well, huh?
Talk football, 'mun'.
You know you can't keep up. Nice smileys, by the way. | | | |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:34 - Aug 12 with 1173 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:14 - Aug 12 by awayjack |
Yup it was odd to see the number of times we broke away, then just stopped and turned back to defence. Not sure if was tactics but Routs was more of Wingback. No AM therfore no outlet or creative and clear from KO we're playing for a draw. Oh for Siggy as there defence knew Routs, Fer, Ayew and Carrol can't shoot from range, so piss easy to close our few attacks down. |
Great post, Away.
I would say that if we had Siggy/Llorente on the pitch, and Southampton played that poorly, that we would've gotten the win.
Set-piece, maybe. The football on offer was far from "free-flowing" as it was.
But win regardless.
Either way, we got a point unexpectedly and we move on. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:44 - Aug 12 with 1141 views | scruffyjack |
Dear me, if anybody can glean any optimism from that performance it will beggar belief, that was pitiful. And some clowns on here think that Siggy leaving will make us a better team, you couldn't make it up! |  | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:45 - Aug 12 with 1137 views | TheResurrection |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:44 - Aug 12 by scruffyjack |
Dear me, if anybody can glean any optimism from that performance it will beggar belief, that was pitiful. And some clowns on here think that Siggy leaving will make us a better team, you couldn't make it up! |
Great post Scruff | |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:45 - Aug 12 with 1138 views | EasternJack |
Good result
Poor performance
A lot of work to be done.
Starting the understand the renewed interest in Joey and Bony. [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 18:47]
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:47 - Aug 12 with 1129 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:04 - Aug 12 by Nirvana |
Thanks for the response, Lisa. Much more my style.
Fernández may have been stretched a bit due to other, inferior players in front of him, but he was poor regardless. I still think he's miles above Bartley, and certainly VDH, so I don't hate the guy. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Routledge did a great job covering the right flank, but Naughton is not a starter in the PL. I've been saying it for a long time. There are quality options out there, some on the cheap like Roberto Rosales from Malaga, that would turn that glaring weakness into a strength.
It wouldn't take us selling Siggy to improve the squad, we could move Montero and Bartley, and afford to pay for a few quality options to come in. And if Jenkins was actually good at his job, we'd already have Roberts here on loan with an affordable purchase option if we so desired.
But, back to the game. Llorente would've, at minimum, buried one of the two wonderful headers Abraham missed in this match. Not his fault, he's young, and was outmuscled all match, but it's true either way. That might have been the real difference in the game, when you think about it.
Put Siggy in Routledge's spot, and we'd have seen a lot of his vision on display, thanks to Abraham's movement and pace. He can get in behind the defence, and for all of Llorente's class he cannot. Routledge nor Fer have the ability to play balls in behind like Siggy, and we would've seen that here. As for Carroll's free kicks, they were very poor. Enough said.
I hope we'll be much better next weekend, and I think you'd agree with that. |
Routledge wasn't supposed to be covering the right flank though, until we switched from a diamond to a 451. That left us with no central point to the diamond. Which is why everything broke down.
If we move Bartley on we will have to invest in another centre back, so we don't benefit the rest of the team. And Montero we are talking c. £4m (and even then teams are balking at it due to him being almost permanently injured). How are we going to improve the team with that?
Abraham didn't get behind their defence in order to be found. Largely because their midfield was so dominant we were 15 yards further back and their defence could sit quite comfortably rather than step forward to take us on. The space between our midfield and Tammy was gaping, and that's not the set up that leads to clever through balls.
Fer is a problem in the right side of the diamond as he isn't disciplined and doesn't cover the full back. Carroll is much better at it, which is why Olsson can play with more freedom.
I think Fer has to be point in a diamond in order to work. We could try Mesa on the right, but we are always using a sub for Leon as he can't last a game.
Ideally we have Mesa at the base, Carroll on the left, AN Other on the right (possibly Ki) and AN Other on the tip. We then have Fer, Britton, Fulton as back up. If we are going to play with wide players instead, Ayew can take up one position, we have no one for the other unless Narsingh has improved.
Get shot of Montero and Dyer. keep Routs. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:48 - Aug 12 with 1128 views | scruffyjack |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:45 - Aug 12 by TheResurrection |
Great post Scruff |
Thanks | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:07 - Aug 12 with 1102 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:47 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Routledge wasn't supposed to be covering the right flank though, until we switched from a diamond to a 451. That left us with no central point to the diamond. Which is why everything broke down.
If we move Bartley on we will have to invest in another centre back, so we don't benefit the rest of the team. And Montero we are talking c. £4m (and even then teams are balking at it due to him being almost permanently injured). How are we going to improve the team with that?
Abraham didn't get behind their defence in order to be found. Largely because their midfield was so dominant we were 15 yards further back and their defence could sit quite comfortably rather than step forward to take us on. The space between our midfield and Tammy was gaping, and that's not the set up that leads to clever through balls.
Fer is a problem in the right side of the diamond as he isn't disciplined and doesn't cover the full back. Carroll is much better at it, which is why Olsson can play with more freedom.
I think Fer has to be point in a diamond in order to work. We could try Mesa on the right, but we are always using a sub for Leon as he can't last a game.
Ideally we have Mesa at the base, Carroll on the left, AN Other on the right (possibly Ki) and AN Other on the tip. We then have Fer, Britton, Fulton as back up. If we are going to play with wide players instead, Ayew can take up one position, we have no one for the other unless Narsingh has improved.
Get shot of Montero and Dyer. keep Routs. |
Thanks for the civil response, Lisa.
To the money situation:
- sell Bartley/Montero for at least £10m
- bring in RB (Rosales) at £5m or less
- bring in CB (Florentin Pogba/Neven Subotic) at £5m or less
- bring in a young winger on loan (Roberts/Munir) with option to buy
That's obviously a bit simplistic, but that's how it works. It doesn't seem like we've done the work behind the scenes talking to a lot of these guys, and that falls on Jenkins. I'm sure if Altman gets his job we'll see a change in recruitment, though.
Anyway, you are correct on Routledge leaving a hole, because it exposed Abraham's poor (i.e. still developing) hold-up play. He's pretty confident once he turns and faces the opposing goal, but looks uncomfortable with his back to it. He's also very skinny, and PL defenders are not. He'll get better, but Llorente is proven quality. It's an easy choice for me, unless Llorente struggles.
In terms of the clever through balls, what was missing was quality like Siggy's. He's proven time and time again that with a mobile striker and/or intelligent wingers, he can play a killer ball. Routledge is smart enough, but his pace has left him and he can't get in behind nor play a through ball.
Swap him for Siggy in this game, and Tammy would've had far more chances. But again, that's my opinion. You have yours. Thank you for the content, and I agree with everything in your last four paragraphs.
Cheers, Lisa. Hope it's nice in London for you. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:11 - Aug 12 with 1093 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:44 - Aug 12 by scruffyjack |
Dear me, if anybody can glean any optimism from that performance it will beggar belief, that was pitiful. And some clowns on here think that Siggy leaving will make us a better team, you couldn't make it up! |
Great post, Scruffy.
It's clear how much Siggy/Llorente mean to us.
We need to keep them at all costs.
I understand that's not likely, but it's true regardless.
The only optimism is that we got a point, and for that I am happy. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:14 - Aug 12 with 1083 views | TheResurrection |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:07 - Aug 12 by Nirvana |
Thanks for the civil response, Lisa.
To the money situation:
- sell Bartley/Montero for at least £10m
- bring in RB (Rosales) at £5m or less
- bring in CB (Florentin Pogba/Neven Subotic) at £5m or less
- bring in a young winger on loan (Roberts/Munir) with option to buy
That's obviously a bit simplistic, but that's how it works. It doesn't seem like we've done the work behind the scenes talking to a lot of these guys, and that falls on Jenkins. I'm sure if Altman gets his job we'll see a change in recruitment, though.
Anyway, you are correct on Routledge leaving a hole, because it exposed Abraham's poor (i.e. still developing) hold-up play. He's pretty confident once he turns and faces the opposing goal, but looks uncomfortable with his back to it. He's also very skinny, and PL defenders are not. He'll get better, but Llorente is proven quality. It's an easy choice for me, unless Llorente struggles.
In terms of the clever through balls, what was missing was quality like Siggy's. He's proven time and time again that with a mobile striker and/or intelligent wingers, he can play a killer ball. Routledge is smart enough, but his pace has left him and he can't get in behind nor play a through ball.
Swap him for Siggy in this game, and Tammy would've had far more chances. But again, that's my opinion. You have yours. Thank you for the content, and I agree with everything in your last four paragraphs.
Cheers, Lisa. Hope it's nice in London for you. |
- sell Bartley/Montero for at least £10m
- bring in RB (Rosales) at £5m or less
- bring in CB (Florentin Pogba/Neven Subotic) at £5m or less
- bring in a young winger on loan (Roberts/Munir) with option to buy
That's obviously a bit simplistic
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:16 - Aug 12 with 1078 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:45 - Aug 12 by EasternJack |
Good result
Poor performance
A lot of work to be done.
Starting the understand the renewed interest in Joey and Bony. [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 18:47]
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Agreed, Eastern.
I love them both and would love to see them back (Joey much more than Wilf, though), but if it's essentially a straight swap for Siggy/Llorente that would be awful.
I can't see how we can afford them otherwise, so I'd prefer it if we kept the quality we already have. And, honestly, I rate Siggy/Llorente much higher than Allen/Bony. No offence meant.
Would love for Allen to come in exchange for Ki, though, like we could've and should've done last summer. Royally ffukkedd that one up Jenkins. Let's try and not do it again. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:18 - Aug 12 with 1063 views | E20Jack |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:14 - Aug 12 by TheResurrection |
- sell Bartley/Montero for at least £10m
- bring in RB (Rosales) at £5m or less
- bring in CB (Florentin Pogba/Neven Subotic) at £5m or less
- bring in a young winger on loan (Roberts/Munir) with option to buy
That's obviously a bit simplistic
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Unbelievable really isn't it.
I hope this isn't going to be inflicted on us after every match this season. | |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:21 - Aug 12 with 1060 views | Nirvana |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:14 - Aug 12 by TheResurrection |
- sell Bartley/Montero for at least £10m
- bring in RB (Rosales) at £5m or less
- bring in CB (Florentin Pogba/Neven Subotic) at £5m or less
- bring in a young winger on loan (Roberts/Munir) with option to buy
That's obviously a bit simplistic
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You can't read, can you?
Makes sense.
But, in case you can, my quote reads:
"That's obviously a bit simplistic, but that's how it works."
Notice the bit after the comma?
Okay then.
I know your steaming that you look a complete and utterly clueless 'fack' right now, but take it somewhere else. | | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:38 - Aug 12 with 1025 views | Fireboy2 |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:18 - Aug 12 by E20Jack |
Unbelievable really isn't it.
I hope this isn't going to be inflicted on us after every match this season. |
Well you don't HAVE to reply do you  |  | | |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 20:41 - Aug 12 with 967 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 18:12 - Aug 12 by raynor94 |
We were Shit full stop! |
Fair enough |  |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 21:50 - Aug 12 with 919 views | E20Jack |
| Southampton Match Analysis on 19:38 - Aug 12 by Fireboy2 |
Well you don't HAVE to reply do you |
I didn't reply to it.
I replied to The Res who made a similar observation. | |
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| Southampton Match Analysis on 01:24 - Aug 13 with 846 views | JackSkellington |
Anyone else concerned by the fact we got through three - THREE - captains in the course of a single match today? How the fuk is anyone supposed to show leadership and drag us up for the fight if they keep getting subbed, and by the end of the game we're reduced to Fernandez supposedly in that role? I wonder if any of our transfer targets are potential captain material? |  | | |
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