| Routledge 21:26 - Aug 12 with 8732 views | Jackfath |
I've said it before, he's cack.
There are people on here who fawn over him. How the fcuk he makes a living as an attacking footballer when he cannot use one of his legs I've no idea.
Can someone who knows more than me let me know what he brings to this side? |  |
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| Routledge on 18:11 - Aug 13 with 2574 views | raynor94 |
| Routledge on 23:58 - Aug 12 by blackpooljack |
Your spelling is atrocious mate. |
What has that got to do with Routledge |  |
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| Routledge on 18:32 - Aug 13 with 2530 views | pencoedjack |
| Routledge on 22:30 - Aug 12 by Swansea93 |
So we had Naughton and Routledge on the same side today, horrific. |
I thought during the game the Southampton manager had been reading this forum and told his players to mainly attack that side
I have thought Routs was an OK squad player but no way should he be starting. |  | | |
| Routledge on 18:39 - Aug 13 with 2518 views | Flashberryjack |
What choice did they have ? |  |
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| Routledge on 19:16 - Aug 13 with 2485 views | awayjack |
| Routledge on 18:39 - Aug 13 by Flashberryjack |
What choice did they have ? |
Dyer and Barrow. Great options!! |  | | |
| Routledge on 19:22 - Aug 13 with 2465 views | Flashberryjack |
| Routledge on 19:16 - Aug 13 by awayjack |
Dyer and Barrow. Great options!! |
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| Routledge on 20:08 - Aug 13 with 2430 views | Davillin |
| Routledge on 18:03 - Aug 13 by Al_Bundy |
Based on yesterday alone..
In his position he needs to offer Naughton an outlet.. he didn't make himself available
He bottled out of headed challenges
He lost all 50/50 challenges
And was caught in possession many times and lost it.
On the flip side.. he did put a decent cross in for Tammy. |
Finally, an opinion with explanations. Thanks, Al.
One question on your post. How many other players yesterday "put in a decent cross for Tammy," or for anyone else for that matter? [I saw only the second half on TV, plus first half highlights, which were of little value in this matter.]
That said, I don't agree with all of the Routledge nay-sayers. He does put in a shift. He understands his responsibility at defending and satisfies it well enough to be picked [very few players can be superior at everything they are called upon to do, so the manager selects players who do what he needs to be done].
I do agree with ECB that Routledge is being unfairly chastized, and with posters who point out that managers keep selecting him. I'll take managers' opinions over several years . . . while admitting that he might not have been the perfect choice for them.
I suspect that he might be, as suggested earlier, our 2017 Scapegoat of the Year. |  |
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| Routledge on 20:23 - Aug 13 with 2404 views | jacabertawe |
| Routledge on 23:34 - Aug 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Good player. Past his best. The fact that he's still a starter isn't his fault. Unfairly maligned. |
I have to concur with you, but reluctantly. Routledge never gives less than 100% of what he is capable. Trouble is, that is just not good enough these days. |  |
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| Routledge on 20:27 - Aug 13 with 2393 views | Jackfath |
| Routledge on 20:23 - Aug 13 by jacabertawe |
I have to concur with you, but reluctantly. Routledge never gives less than 100% of what he is capable. Trouble is, that is just not good enough these days. |
16 goals in 180 odd appearances would suggest as an attacking player he's never been up to it. But he does defend well, apparently. | |
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| Routledge on 20:28 - Aug 13 with 2392 views | Jango |
| Routledge on 20:08 - Aug 13 by Davillin |
Finally, an opinion with explanations. Thanks, Al.
One question on your post. How many other players yesterday "put in a decent cross for Tammy," or for anyone else for that matter? [I saw only the second half on TV, plus first half highlights, which were of little value in this matter.]
That said, I don't agree with all of the Routledge nay-sayers. He does put in a shift. He understands his responsibility at defending and satisfies it well enough to be picked [very few players can be superior at everything they are called upon to do, so the manager selects players who do what he needs to be done].
I do agree with ECB that Routledge is being unfairly chastized, and with posters who point out that managers keep selecting him. I'll take managers' opinions over several years . . . while admitting that he might not have been the perfect choice for them.
I suspect that he might be, as suggested earlier, our 2017 Scapegoat of the Year. |
I'm sorry but when you're an attacking midfielder/winger and you're only decent attributes are defensive then you're not very good. He's been my scapegoat for 3 seasons because hes hopeless. Even when he was at his best for us he wasn't very good. |  | | |
| Routledge on 20:34 - Aug 13 with 2377 views | karnataka |
| Routledge on 20:28 - Aug 13 by Jango |
I'm sorry but when you're an attacking midfielder/winger and you're only decent attributes are defensive then you're not very good. He's been my scapegoat for 3 seasons because hes hopeless. Even when he was at his best for us he wasn't very good. |
Think that's extremely harsh. At his best, he was an integral part of arguably the best Swansea City side ever. |  | | |
| Routledge on 20:36 - Aug 13 with 2373 views | Dr_Winston |
We had to improve on Routledge, Barrow and Montero this summer. So far we haven't improved on Routledge, Barrow or Montero.
This Siggy situation hasn't made things easy, but we sorely need to add pace and creativity in the final third before the window closes. I'm not seeing how spending £20m+ on yet another central midfielder achieves that aim. |  |
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| Routledge on 20:49 - Aug 13 with 2344 views | karnataka |
| Routledge on 20:36 - Aug 13 by Dr_Winston |
We had to improve on Routledge, Barrow and Montero this summer. So far we haven't improved on Routledge, Barrow or Montero.
This Siggy situation hasn't made things easy, but we sorely need to add pace and creativity in the final third before the window closes. I'm not seeing how spending £20m+ on yet another central midfielder achieves that aim. |
I' m sure I've said this before in response to your calls for replacements for Routs, Montero & Barrow but I'm still not convinced wide players are an integral part of PC's first 11 plans and maybe he sees them more as options to bring on when either chasing a game or when negating the opposition's attacking plan is better achieved by bringing on a specialist wide player. If that's the case, then it's unlikely we would spend a big wedge on a top class wide man or 2 if they are unlikely to start and he may consider what he's currently got as adequate for those purposes. | | | |
| Routledge on 20:50 - Aug 13 with 2344 views | Jango |
| Routledge on 20:34 - Aug 13 by karnataka |
Think that's extremely harsh. At his best, he was an integral part of arguably the best Swansea City side ever. |
Averaged less than 3 assists a season and less than 2 goals a season. He's never been a player for us who hasn't needed upgrading. That's the harsh reality of it, not his fault. He couldn't get in the team ahead of Sinclair yet he's starting for us 5 years on, it's a joke. | | | |
| Routledge on 20:53 - Aug 13 with 2338 views | Al_Bundy |
| Routledge on 20:08 - Aug 13 by Davillin |
Finally, an opinion with explanations. Thanks, Al.
One question on your post. How many other players yesterday "put in a decent cross for Tammy," or for anyone else for that matter? [I saw only the second half on TV, plus first half highlights, which were of little value in this matter.]
That said, I don't agree with all of the Routledge nay-sayers. He does put in a shift. He understands his responsibility at defending and satisfies it well enough to be picked [very few players can be superior at everything they are called upon to do, so the manager selects players who do what he needs to be done].
I do agree with ECB that Routledge is being unfairly chastized, and with posters who point out that managers keep selecting him. I'll take managers' opinions over several years . . . while admitting that he might not have been the perfect choice for them.
I suspect that he might be, as suggested earlier, our 2017 Scapegoat of the Year. |
I only recall one cross from the right first half and none in the second.
Ollson had opportunities both half to get crosses in earlier but decided to take a few more touches and slow the play down.
One of the funniest moments when Tadic had the ball on the touchline.. Ayew races over and we all shout don't dive in.. he dives in and Tadic eases past him. | | | |
| Routledge on 20:56 - Aug 13 with 2331 views | karnataka |
| Routledge on 20:50 - Aug 13 by Jango |
Averaged less than 3 assists a season and less than 2 goals a season. He's never been a player for us who hasn't needed upgrading. That's the harsh reality of it, not his fault. He couldn't get in the team ahead of Sinclair yet he's starting for us 5 years on, it's a joke. |
The only reason he couldn't get in the team ahead of Sinclair was because Brenda would never drop or sub Sinclair, even when his performances were consistently below par. As soon as both had gone, Routledge became a fixture in what was arguably the best ever Swansea City side. Nothing to do with whether or not he was better or worse than Sinclair. Scotty was Brendan's favourite, simple as that. | | | |
| Routledge on 21:03 - Aug 13 with 2315 views | Dewi1jack |
| Routledge on 20:36 - Aug 13 by Dr_Winston |
We had to improve on Routledge, Barrow and Montero this summer. So far we haven't improved on Routledge, Barrow or Montero.
This Siggy situation hasn't made things easy, but we sorely need to add pace and creativity in the final third before the window closes. I'm not seeing how spending £20m+ on yet another central midfielder achieves that aim. |
We needed to have replaced Angel with a good, starting RB a few years ago.
Needed to find a 'new' Leon about the same time.
Could have done with replacing Tabanou and NGog as well.
Could have substituted a road cone and seen an improvement there.
Definitely should have replaced Capt Beaky with someone with the slightest skill as a scout last summer at the latest as well |  |
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| Routledge on 21:04 - Aug 13 with 2314 views | Dr_Winston |
| Routledge on 20:49 - Aug 13 by karnataka |
I' m sure I've said this before in response to your calls for replacements for Routs, Montero & Barrow but I'm still not convinced wide players are an integral part of PC's first 11 plans and maybe he sees them more as options to bring on when either chasing a game or when negating the opposition's attacking plan is better achieved by bringing on a specialist wide player. If that's the case, then it's unlikely we would spend a big wedge on a top class wide man or 2 if they are unlikely to start and he may consider what he's currently got as adequate for those purposes. |
Maybe, but they don't necessarily need to be wingers in the traditional sense. Ayew is an example of what I mean. Call them wide forwards.
Routs has been an excellent signing pound for pound but is a good two years past his best. As others have said, when the best you can say for an attacking player is that he's good defensively then something's gone wrong somewhere. | |
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| Routledge on 21:13 - Aug 13 with 2291 views | Jango |
| Routledge on 20:56 - Aug 13 by karnataka |
The only reason he couldn't get in the team ahead of Sinclair was because Brenda would never drop or sub Sinclair, even when his performances were consistently below par. As soon as both had gone, Routledge became a fixture in what was arguably the best ever Swansea City side. Nothing to do with whether or not he was better or worse than Sinclair. Scotty was Brendan's favourite, simple as that. |
Nothing do with the fact that Sinclair is a much better winger than Routledge then? | | | |
| Routledge on 21:30 - Aug 13 with 2261 views | Swanzay |
No disrespect to Routledge, he has been a great servant, but the fact that he starts in 2017 highlights the lack of investment and activity in the transfer market.
What the feck is Huw thinking with these 4 year contracts he hands out....
PC must be livid! |  | | |
| Routledge on 21:35 - Aug 13 with 2254 views | karnataka |
| Routledge on 21:13 - Aug 13 by Jango |
Nothing do with the fact that Sinclair is a much better winger than Routledge then? |
At his best, Sinclair was a good winger but in our first Prem season, particularly the latter half, he went though several periods when he was ineffective at best and downright poor at worst but Brendan still wouldn't drop or sub him. | | | |
| Routledge on 05:13 - Aug 14 with 2156 views | Nirvana |
| Routledge on 23:35 - Aug 12 by awayjack |
Way past his sell by date. Had a few odd chats with some of our fans who thought he was our MOM today. Couldn't work out if they were too drunk to watch the game (quite a few of our fans didn't leave the bar for the stands!) or just on a wind up. |
Is that true, Away?
My brain says it can't be, but my heart knows it must be.
I understand you were probably in a bit of shock when they said this, but did you happen to ask them why they thought that?
Other than putting in a great cross for Abraham early on and playing double-RB with Naughton, he didn't really do anything at all.
Would love to know if there's a secret way of looking at the game that I've been missing out on all this time. |  | | |
| Routledge on 05:20 - Aug 14 with 2153 views | Nirvana |
| Routledge on 20:53 - Aug 13 by Al_Bundy |
I only recall one cross from the right first half and none in the second.
Ollson had opportunities both half to get crosses in earlier but decided to take a few more touches and slow the play down.
One of the funniest moments when Tadic had the ball on the touchline.. Ayew races over and we all shout don't dive in.. he dives in and Tadic eases past him. |
Olsson whipped in at least three or four really good crosses throughout the game, Al.
I think Abraham whiffed on two of them, but they were all put into excellent areas with plenty of pace. I believe Siggy/Llorente would've put one or two away if they were playing.
Olsson has consistently been one of our best players, particularly in attack, and it was no different against Southampton. | | | |
| Routledge on 07:45 - Aug 14 with 2097 views | jack247 |
First off, I didn't see the game Saturday, only motd. General consensus is that he was abysmal.
He is never going to work in a game the midfield is getting dominated in. He does (usually) protect his fullback well, but you need your wingers to do more in that kind of game, they need to be an outlet, capable of breaking on their own or at least holding the ball up. Give the opposition something to at least think about. Routledge is never going to do that, we'd be far better off with Narsingh in that situation.
He works well when our midfield is competing and we are playing with a dynamic front line. If we have decent possession and he is able to interchange with the other winger, striker and tip of the diamond, he will still be effective.
Games when we are getting battered though, he'd be one of the first I'd sub. Hopefully we will get one or two in and he will be starting on the bench anyway. | | | |
| Routledge on 07:57 - Aug 14 with 2076 views | Smellyplumz |
| Routledge on 20:49 - Aug 13 by karnataka |
I' m sure I've said this before in response to your calls for replacements for Routs, Montero & Barrow but I'm still not convinced wide players are an integral part of PC's first 11 plans and maybe he sees them more as options to bring on when either chasing a game or when negating the opposition's attacking plan is better achieved by bringing on a specialist wide player. If that's the case, then it's unlikely we would spend a big wedge on a top class wide man or 2 if they are unlikely to start and he may consider what he's currently got as adequate for those purposes. |
Well quite frankly having listen to PC in pre season on the blue print for the style of play for this season he wanted and then seeing that style of play in action on Saturday I'll take what pc thinks with a pinch of salt. Routs is league one at best, Barrow is Sunday league. |  |
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| Routledge on 07:58 - Aug 14 with 2076 views | awayjack |
| Routledge on 05:13 - Aug 14 by Nirvana |
Is that true, Away?
My brain says it can't be, but my heart knows it must be.
I understand you were probably in a bit of shock when they said this, but did you happen to ask them why they thought that?
Other than putting in a great cross for Abraham early on and playing double-RB with Naughton, he didn't really do anything at all.
Would love to know if there's a secret way of looking at the game that I've been missing out on all this time. |
Yup. I honestly think some fans have spent a few years defending him so lose all objectivity, praise his good qualities and ignore the fact he's a shadow of the player he was 3 seasons ago. He's been a great servant of the Club, but even at his prime his goals/assists record are poor. | | | |
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