| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 19:45 - Aug 21 with 11526 views | Morganator100 |
0-0 at HT
Man Utd missed a penalty after 10 min. They also have Ashley Young and Luke Shaw in the team.
George Byers looks a creative midfielder but seems to undersell his pass and has a poor workrate. Jac Evans has been very hardworking for us and is our best player. Really getting stuck in.
Harries at the back after an unsteady start is now looking very assured with Rodon. Baker Richardson up front has worked hard but is isolated.
The down side, Gorre and Garlick have done nothing. |  | | |  |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:11 - Aug 21 with 2790 views | Garyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 21:54 - Aug 21 by Neath_Jack |
But for a bit of balance, they were not competing with all the foreign players that we have in todays game. |
Granted, but you've missed the point. All of those appearances were in the lower leagues yet they still progressed. Some of these 'youngsters' can't even make it at lge1 level despite being in their early 20's . Yet here they are making the under 23's look great! Pah! |  | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:20 - Aug 21 with 2754 views | longlostjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:11 - Aug 21 by Garyjack |
Granted, but you've missed the point. All of those appearances were in the lower leagues yet they still progressed. Some of these 'youngsters' can't even make it at lge1 level despite being in their early 20's . Yet here they are making the under 23's look great! Pah! |
U23 teams in Germany can compete in third and fourth divisions so they get proper competitive football. Maybe that's better than keeping them in cotton wool or loaning them out. |  |
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| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:26 - Aug 21 with 2731 views | Garyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 21:59 - Aug 21 by NeathJack |
And at that point those appearances were mostly made in the lower leagues. |
And that's where they stayed? | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:28 - Aug 21 with 2716 views | jasper_T |
The lower leagues are a bit better than they were in the old days. |  | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:34 - Aug 21 with 2701 views | Garyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:20 - Aug 21 by longlostjack |
U23 teams in Germany can compete in third and fourth divisions so they get proper competitive football. Maybe that's better than keeping them in cotton wool or loaning them out. |
Indeed, or maybe if their not knocking on the first team door by the time their 21, then get rid! This ain't the old combination league, some of them are on a couple of grand a week i'd imagine! | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:39 - Aug 21 with 2677 views | NeathJack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:26 - Aug 21 by Garyjack |
And that's where they stayed? |
No but the point being that if we were in the 3rd or 4th tier than several of the current u23s would probably be in the side, like Curt & Robbie were. |  | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:41 - Aug 21 with 2667 views | Garyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:28 - Aug 21 by jasper_T |
The lower leagues are a bit better than they were in the old days. |
The principle is the same though surely? If your not looking at first team football by the time you're in your early 20's then in general you're not going to make it? | | | |
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| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:50 - Aug 21 with 2636 views | jasper_T |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:41 - Aug 21 by Garyjack |
The principle is the same though surely? If your not looking at first team football by the time you're in your early 20's then in general you're not going to make it? |
Probably not. Which is why we've tended to give out 1 or 2 year contracts to players coming to the end of their youth deals, and if they don't look like pushing on they get released (e.g. Owain jones, Liam Shephard this summer).
Gorre got an extension because it looked like he could progress. A few others got an extra year due to injuries curtailing their development. There's not a big pile of 20 year olds on long deals clogging up our u23s this season. It's a very inexperienced (and pretty poor) team.
Saying we should bin the lot and spend more on the first team misses the fact that doing so would in total save maybe half a Rangel in wages per week. You're not signing a first team Premier League player on that sort of money. | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 23:15 - Aug 21 with 2562 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 22:50 - Aug 21 by jasper_T |
Probably not. Which is why we've tended to give out 1 or 2 year contracts to players coming to the end of their youth deals, and if they don't look like pushing on they get released (e.g. Owain jones, Liam Shephard this summer).
Gorre got an extension because it looked like he could progress. A few others got an extra year due to injuries curtailing their development. There's not a big pile of 20 year olds on long deals clogging up our u23s this season. It's a very inexperienced (and pretty poor) team.
Saying we should bin the lot and spend more on the first team misses the fact that doing so would in total save maybe half a Rangel in wages per week. You're not signing a first team Premier League player on that sort of money. |
Work hard with local lads, win or lose, produce ben, Joey, maccs, and jazz. All premiership and International players.
Or Be lazy and smug and sign other peoples produced players - like Kenji, james, Bray, Rory, Grimes, Holland, Scotland x8, sheps, irelandx1, norwayx2 etc etc, waste millions, and contribute nothing meaningful to our first team, nor sold for anything of note. Plus blocks the development path for our pre apprentice age groups.
The u23s did a lap of honour last year like the u9's do. Ffs.
Tammy is 19 for ease of comparison. |  |
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| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 23:21 - Aug 21 with 2547 views | Garyjack |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 23:15 - Aug 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Work hard with local lads, win or lose, produce ben, Joey, maccs, and jazz. All premiership and International players.
Or Be lazy and smug and sign other peoples produced players - like Kenji, james, Bray, Rory, Grimes, Holland, Scotland x8, sheps, irelandx1, norwayx2 etc etc, waste millions, and contribute nothing meaningful to our first team, nor sold for anything of note. Plus blocks the development path for our pre apprentice age groups.
The u23s did a lap of honour last year like the u9's do. Ffs.
Tammy is 19 for ease of comparison. |
Exactly, the only players who have come through our youth set up and been a success have been local boys! We've brought in no one from outside who have added anything to the club! | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 10:51 - Aug 22 with 2404 views | jasper_T |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 23:15 - Aug 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Work hard with local lads, win or lose, produce ben, Joey, maccs, and jazz. All premiership and International players.
Or Be lazy and smug and sign other peoples produced players - like Kenji, james, Bray, Rory, Grimes, Holland, Scotland x8, sheps, irelandx1, norwayx2 etc etc, waste millions, and contribute nothing meaningful to our first team, nor sold for anything of note. Plus blocks the development path for our pre apprentice age groups.
The u23s did a lap of honour last year like the u9's do. Ffs.
Tammy is 19 for ease of comparison. |
You don't think we should be bringing in players from the Cardiff area like Liam Shephard (one senior appearance) on basic youth contracts? Swansea postcode only, is it?
The only "millions" wasted in that list were on Grimes and Donolly. We've probably just about got value out of the Scots (if you lump them all together) with Kingsley, Fulton and King's loan fees. Improvements to the facilities have cost far more than the players, and they obviously benefit local prospects.
There aren't any academy players being blocked in terms of development. The talented local 17-19 year olds (Cullen, Rodon, Lewis) have all been getting regular football over the last few seasons. Having a competitive, quality youth team helps their development. They're not going to get better playing with a bunch of kids from the local park, and they're not going to want to. They'll go elsewhere.
Tom Holland wouldn't have earned millions with us if we'd handed him a 50 year contract. He was a useful squad-filler so that we didn't have to forfeit games or make 15 year olds play against senior cloggers in the checkatrade. | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 11:57 - Aug 22 with 2353 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 21:59 - Aug 21 by NeathJack |
And at that point those appearances were mostly made in the lower leagues. |
Precisely, not in the Prem. | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 12:13 - Aug 22 with 2334 views | DafyddHuw |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 21:05 - Aug 21 by Jackfath |
They should be out on loan learning their trade in leagues 1 &2, championship if capable. If they can handle it then give them another year. If not, get shot. |
Get shot of who? If we don't have an Academy, as you advocate, then we've got no yougsters playing any football, so who would we put out on loan?
Or do we stop at, say, U16? U18?
I agree it's a monumental waste of money. Nobody looks good enough to come through to the 1st team. Saw them a few times last season and Tyler Ried is the only one good enough for a EFL place. But it only takes one for us to make a profit. It's not so much the fact that we've got an Academy, it's the players that we hang on to that aren't good enough. As Lisa says, look at Southampton. Works a treat for them. That set up they've got pays for itself over and over.
We need to be far more selective over who we want to nurse along. |  | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 12:35 - Aug 22 with 2307 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 12:13 - Aug 22 by DafyddHuw |
Get shot of who? If we don't have an Academy, as you advocate, then we've got no yougsters playing any football, so who would we put out on loan?
Or do we stop at, say, U16? U18?
I agree it's a monumental waste of money. Nobody looks good enough to come through to the 1st team. Saw them a few times last season and Tyler Ried is the only one good enough for a EFL place. But it only takes one for us to make a profit. It's not so much the fact that we've got an Academy, it's the players that we hang on to that aren't good enough. As Lisa says, look at Southampton. Works a treat for them. That set up they've got pays for itself over and over.
We need to be far more selective over who we want to nurse along. |
Yes, it is the decision making process (like the rest of the club's decisions) that define the problem.
Even selling on at a couple of million to the Championship would make money on the players.
But recognising the dead wood and off loading them is just as critical a part as much as recognising the real talent.
One thing it has done is raise the awareness of youth players to what we can now offer, winning the League 2 shows that we play at the high levels and drawing away at ManU with a much reduced team really demonstates that point.
That should attract a better class of player to the club (fingers crossed) for the future. | | | |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 13:08 - Aug 22 with 2278 views | jasper_T |
| Man Utd U23 v Swansea U23 on 12:13 - Aug 22 by DafyddHuw |
Get shot of who? If we don't have an Academy, as you advocate, then we've got no yougsters playing any football, so who would we put out on loan?
Or do we stop at, say, U16? U18?
I agree it's a monumental waste of money. Nobody looks good enough to come through to the 1st team. Saw them a few times last season and Tyler Ried is the only one good enough for a EFL place. But it only takes one for us to make a profit. It's not so much the fact that we've got an Academy, it's the players that we hang on to that aren't good enough. As Lisa says, look at Southampton. Works a treat for them. That set up they've got pays for itself over and over.
We need to be far more selective over who we want to nurse along. |
We can't be as selective as Southampton because they have a reputation that allows them to attract far more players.
They also "waste" more millions than we do paying for them.
Holding on to players has been a bit of an issue in the past but I don't know how anyone can look at the current u23s squad and think we're hoarding a big pile of no-hopers. Apart from Zabret, Gorre and maybe Maric no one else in the side against United has been with the u21s/u23s for more than 2 years. We're still finding out what most of them are about at reserve level. | | | |
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