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Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:03 - Sep 20 by ItchySphincter
I'm not asking you to take anything in to consideration or speak on behalf of others.
You have been thoroughly exposed and should f*ck off to lick your wounds before coming back with a better thought out effort next time.
You would certainly like to think that however the evidence suggests otherwise. Saying something is one thing, actually saying it and it having substance is completely another.
I and others have given first hand accounts of Jason Price receiving awful abuse, some of it racial. This cannot be disputed as the only argument against it is a handful of people didn't hear it. That isn't evidence against anything other than them not hearing it.
You have decided you do not wish to believe it. That is fine on the surface but if explored, again the evidence disagrees with you.
No matter which way you look at this, I have come out utterly correct on this matter. You and your trolls have had to dance around and go to ridiculous degrees to even try and get a workable standpoint, to which you have failed to establish even once.
I didn't want to be the one to point that out to you but you do need to know., you know, just on the off chance you actually did believe what you typed - which I hope for your sake you don't.
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:08 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
You would certainly like to think that however the evidence suggests otherwise. Saying something is one thing, actually saying it and it having substance is completely another.
I and others have given first hand accounts of Jason Price receiving awful abuse, some of it racial. This cannot be disputed as the only argument against it is a handful of people didn't hear it. That isn't evidence against anything other than them not hearing it.
You have decided you do not wish to believe it. That is fine on the surface but if explored, again the evidence disagrees with you.
No matter which way you look at this, I have come out utterly correct on this matter. You and your trolls have had to dance around and go to ridiculous degrees to even try and get a workable standpoint, to which you have failed to establish even once.
I didn't want to be the one to point that out to you but you do need to know., you know, just on the off chance you actually did believe what you typed - which I hope for your sake you don't.
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First playing the race card, then the troll card......
It seems you've been handed your arse on a plate little man.
Carry on.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:14 - Sep 20 by ItchySphincter
First playing the race card, then the troll card......
It seems you've been handed your arse on a plate little man.
Carry on.
I can think no other reason for your ridiculous responses. I have done you a service by saying it is down to your urge to troll a situation. Whether that is based on your allegiance to other posters or more likely your penchant to oppose anything I say is not for me to decide. I hope it has nothing to do with your mental capacity, but have given you the benefit of the doubt on that front.
But either way I have schooled you.
If you do wish to follow through with your convictions and show me and everyone else where you have proved that all of these first hand accounts are incorrect then I will re-evaluate, but until that time your words seem nothing more than the desperate flailing of a dying man.
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:08 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
You would certainly like to think that however the evidence suggests otherwise. Saying something is one thing, actually saying it and it having substance is completely another.
I and others have given first hand accounts of Jason Price receiving awful abuse, some of it racial. This cannot be disputed as the only argument against it is a handful of people didn't hear it. That isn't evidence against anything other than them not hearing it.
You have decided you do not wish to believe it. That is fine on the surface but if explored, again the evidence disagrees with you.
No matter which way you look at this, I have come out utterly correct on this matter. You and your trolls have had to dance around and go to ridiculous degrees to even try and get a workable standpoint, to which you have failed to establish even once.
I didn't want to be the one to point that out to you but you do need to know., you know, just on the off chance you actually did believe what you typed - which I hope for your sake you don't.
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But you have discounted the evidence of people who say they were there and heard it first hand! Such evidence actually works against you.
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Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:19 - Sep 20 with 707 views
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:18 - Sep 20 by Garyjack
But you have discounted the evidence of people who say they were there and heard it first hand! Such evidence actually works against you.
No I have not. I have most certainly counted that evidence and it very much works in my favour, not against.
Although last time you were incorrect and misunderstood you said your post wasn't meant to make any sense. I assume you may take a similar stance to your latest effort?
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:16 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
I can think no other reason for your ridiculous responses. I have done you a service by saying it is down to your urge to troll a situation. Whether that is based on your allegiance to other posters or more likely your penchant to oppose anything I say is not for me to decide. I hope it has nothing to do with your mental capacity, but have given you the benefit of the doubt on that front.
But either way I have schooled you.
If you do wish to follow through with your convictions and show me and everyone else where you have proved that all of these first hand accounts are incorrect then I will re-evaluate, but until that time your words seem nothing more than the desperate flailing of a dying man.
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Grow up you tit. You have considerably altered your assertion since first deciding to disputed my account of the NB's response to JJ in the Sanches thread, even invoking evidence of mystery posters who agree with you, of which there a f*ck all to none. Read the thread and see who the mug is. "Schooled".
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Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 12:01 - Sep 17 by EasternJack
Interesting. I was a regular on the NB during that period and I can't recall that abuse consistently levied at him.
Some frustration, yes - and the headless chicken remark rings a bell. More of a sprinter than a footballer. But he did win us a lot of penalties.
Perhaps E20 remebers it so well because he was his abuser... I can't recall hearing it and I was on the NB most home games and I can't remember hearing it away too. At least not the racial element. I did hear horrible chants aimmed at Terry Connor away at Bristol Rovers once. It was mortifying, had my dad with me and god knows what he thought. At the time we were targetted for infiltration by combat 18 so I think it was just them
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Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:19 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
No I have not. I have most certainly counted that evidence and it very much works in my favour, not against.
Although last time you were incorrect and misunderstood you said your post wasn't meant to make any sense. I assume you may take a similar stance to your latest effort?
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Look at this way. We were pretty shit in those days ye? But every single person who has ever posted on these forums from way back in the Jackarmy.net days claimed to have been there every game through thick and thin. They can't all be telling the truth surely! Therefore it's quite evident that people tell fibs on football message boards, meaning that any statements or testimonies given would be inadmissible as evidence and the case would be thrown out of court.
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Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:25 - Sep 20 with 676 views
Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:24 - Sep 20 by Brynmill_Jack
Perhaps E20 remebers it so well because he was his abuser... I can't recall hearing it and I was on the NB most home games and I can't remember hearing it away too. At least not the racial element. I did hear horrible chants aimmed at Terry Connor away at Bristol Rovers once. It was mortifying, had my dad with me and god knows what he thought. At the time we were targetted for infiltration by combat 18 so I think it was just them
That was a joke by the way E20, before you get on your high horse. (if you ever got off it that is)
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Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:26 - Sep 20 with 674 views
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:22 - Sep 20 by ItchySphincter
Grow up you tit. You have considerably altered your assertion since first deciding to disputed my account of the NB's response to JJ in the Sanches thread, even invoking evidence of mystery posters who agree with you, of which there a f*ck all to none. Read the thread and see who the mug is. "Schooled".
Nothing has been altered in the slightest, just your level of comprehension post by post. There are 5 or 6 first hand separate accounts here supporting what I have said. The opposite is a handful of people that have just stated they did not hear it. So on the balance of evidence it would suggest that the events described indeed happened. Unless you have proved otherwise then you have indeed been schooled. No amount of smileys and temper tantrum playground insults can change that or save you.
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:25 - Sep 20 by Garyjack
Look at this way. We were pretty shit in those days ye? But every single person who has ever posted on these forums from way back in the Jackarmy.net days claimed to have been there every game through thick and thin. They can't all be telling the truth surely! Therefore it's quite evident that people tell fibs on football message boards, meaning that any statements or testimonies given would be inadmissible as evidence and the case would be thrown out of court.
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True, same applies to the Cyril Regis/banana story/Hull game.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:25 - Sep 20 by Garyjack
Look at this way. We were pretty shit in those days ye? But every single person who has ever posted on these forums from way back in the Jackarmy.net days claimed to have been there every game through thick and thin. They can't all be telling the truth surely! Therefore it's quite evident that people tell fibs on football message boards, meaning that any statements or testimonies given would be inadmissible as evidence and the case would be thrown out of court.
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:26 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
Nothing has been altered in the slightest, just your level of comprehension post by post. There are 5 or 6 first hand separate accounts here supporting what I have said. The opposite is a handful of people that have just stated they did not hear it. So on the balance of evidence it would suggest that the events described indeed happened. Unless you have proved otherwise then you have indeed been schooled. No amount of smileys and temper tantrum playground insults can change that or save you.
I'm starting to feel pity. Please stop this diservice you are doing to people of your type, it's not fair on them, or you.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 19:30 - Sep 20 by ItchySphincter
I'm starting to feel pity. Please stop this diservice you are doing to people of your type, it's not fair on them, or you.
Well maybe empathy is the first step for you. After this maybe your understanding of situations will also appear to improve and before you know it you will realise how amazingly wrong you have been and send me a bottle of wine from Morrisons as an apology.
Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 12:08 - Sep 17 by E20Jack
There was never any chants. That would signify a coordinated and pre meditated attack (which is why people in the Center Stand wouldnt know).
The abuse he received, regularly, was spontaneous singling out from many quarters of the North Bank. The majority being the right hand corner of course. Granted this was an era where monkey noises and shouts of "zulu!" would be made when opposing black players got the ball (also game by game basis) - although that doesnt excuse it.
Nicer to forget, but reality doesnt often like to be forgotton.
If you're saying monkey noises were made down the Vetch as the norm during the late 90' early 2000's you're a f*cking liar mate. Utter boll*cks.
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Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:37 - Sep 20 with 633 views
Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:36 - Sep 20 by Brynmill_Jack
If you're saying monkey noises were made down the Vetch as the norm during the late 90' early 2000's you're a f*cking liar mate. Utter boll*cks.
Monkey noises, calls of ''zulu'' were absolutely common place in the 90's era and probably well before. late nineties pushing it (it started to die out), mid nineties most certainly. Not sure why you have made a date up of late nineties to early 00's and attributed it to me in order to get angry about, only you can answer that. Thankfully football started to go in the right direction then, even though a Swansea fan then threw a banana at Bassong.
You can swear and stamp your feet but that's just the truth of it.
Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 15:13 - Sep 17 by Dewi1jack
Remember bananas being slung on the pitch and songs like "he's got a pineapple on his head" Seem to remember a player (Fashanu?) picking a banana up and eating it as well. Those days the NF etc used to be trying to get new members whilst they were stood promoting that sh1te outside the NB as well.
Most of the racist comments seemed to come from the LH side of the NB but apart from certain songs, seemed to be a small number. Different days indeed back then.
That was the 70's and early 80's. Attitudes changed as the decade worn on. Perhaps I was standing in the wrong place but I never heard Price being racially abused. Just for the record I'm no apologist and went to the vetch from the mid 70's (when racial abuse was commonplace and loudly chanted) through the 80's (where things started to change) and beyond.
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Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:55 - Sep 20 with 595 views
Serious question for people they went to the Vetch on 19:50 - Sep 20 by Brynmill_Jack
That was the 70's and early 80's. Attitudes changed as the decade worn on. Perhaps I was standing in the wrong place but I never heard Price being racially abused. Just for the record I'm no apologist and went to the vetch from the mid 70's (when racial abuse was commonplace and loudly chanted) through the 80's (where things started to change) and beyond.
I didn't watch football in the 80's. So from the 90's onwards is when my experience with football began and the racism was widespread on the North Bank to opposition players, it is something that has stuck with me to this day.
I think it only started to change 4 or 5 years after the Kick it Out campaign began. So it must have still been widespread up until 1997 or 1998. There was still a period of open racism after that but certainly could no longer be described as widespread and certainly frowned upon, we are talking then about individual calls rather than group calls as it were before.
As some accounts have stated there was even open racism by some individuals deep into the 00's with Gueret being the target and also the Bassong incident.
Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 11:35 - Sep 20 by E20Jack
Or you change your level of comprehension?
My posts have not waivered and most certainly will not.
Your posts haven't waivered? So that means you MUST be right then. But only in your world. You can tell a lie a million times but that doesn't make it the truth.
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