| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch 10:53 - Sep 17 with 36126 views | Darran |
Did any of you hear Jason Price being called a lazy black bastard with sheer regularity?
It's a no from me. [Post edited 17 Sep 2017 17:27]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 23:57 - Sep 20 with 1017 views | TNT |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 23:49 - Sep 20 by E20Jack |
Then you are wholly oblivious to your surroundings, I would say him and Michael Howard have been singled out for more abuse from supporters in the last 25 years.
Describing what sort of a player he was is irrelevant. |
You saying, " Michael Howard has been singled out for more abuse from supporters in the last 25 years," is equally irrelevant. |  |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:01 - Sep 21 with 1012 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 23:54 - Sep 20 by Garyjack |
I like your posts, as i'm sure most on here do. In fact, you're one of my fav posters! However, for years now you have come on here with your debating skills under various usernames and turned a thread worthy of 4 or 5 posts into 15 pagers. Good on you for that, it's been fun. Unfortunately, you have one major flaw in that you have no sense of humour, and cannot see that a lot of posters are pulling your plonker! You have to accept that people will eventually find a way to counteract your debating skills and it seems like they have. If that upsets you, then maybe you should find another site to post on?  |
I have not been on here for years but looking past that I am glad I am one of your fav posters, richly deserved. However what you see as a flaw, I see as a great strength. In order to get me to laugh then you by definition have to be funny, can you point to any post in this whole 12 page thread in which I should have found amusing?
People can convince themselves that can counteract my debating skills by doing a multitude of things, but unless one of them is proving what I am saying to be incorrect then it is largely irrelevant. Who on earth said I am upset by anything? This is wonderful light entertainment, I don't think any other medium of communication can obvious common sense views be met with such vehement opposition regardless of the level of content (or lack of) they have to muster in order to even make a slightest of counters. Its a wonderful spectacle. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:10]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:04 - Sep 21 with 1005 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 23:57 - Sep 20 by TNT |
You saying, " Michael Howard has been singled out for more abuse from supporters in the last 25 years," is equally irrelevant. |
Not to me. I put them on almost an equal, Price coming off the worse due to some of the dark comtent, no pun intended. There was a clear comparison from one player to another. How he plays means nothing. | |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:06 - Sep 21 with 1004 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:03 - Sep 21 by TNT |
You're the only one with 'sheer stupidity' on every page though.  [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:08]
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Only in your dreams my man. Suggesting that first hand accounts are excellent sources of evidence is far from stupid. But I guess actually exploring what has been said is not really what you wanted, its far more fun to be able to call names without actually exploring it.
Wise edit too. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:35]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:08 - Sep 21 with 999 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:07 - Sep 21 by Garyjack |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:11 - Sep 21 with 992 views | TNT |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:06 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
Only in your dreams my man. Suggesting that first hand accounts are excellent sources of evidence is far from stupid. But I guess actually exploring what has been said is not really what you wanted, its far more fun to be able to call names without actually exploring it.
Wise edit too. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:35]
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'Sheer stupidity', your words, hence the punctuation marks. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:14]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:15 - Sep 21 with 988 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:11 - Sep 21 by TNT |
'Sheer stupidity', your words, hence the punctuation marks. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:14]
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I don't own any words (and you would use quotation marks not punctuation marks), if you are completely quoting me then you may use what I have said. To take a partial quote and direct it not in its original context, then those words become yours.
And I thus digress to my initial point.
Another wise edit TNT. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:18]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:18 - Sep 21 with 978 views | TNT |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:15 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
I don't own any words (and you would use quotation marks not punctuation marks), if you are completely quoting me then you may use what I have said. To take a partial quote and direct it not in its original context, then those words become yours.
And I thus digress to my initial point.
Another wise edit TNT. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 0:18]
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And to digress, is irrelevance epitomised. | |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:20 - Sep 21 with 977 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:18 - Sep 21 by TNT |
And to digress, is irrelevance epitomised. |
Not when the digressing was to respond to an irrelevant point. As surely the source of the irrelevance if far more irrelevant than the effect. | |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:48 - Sep 21 with 961 views | TNT |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:20 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
Not when the digressing was to respond to an irrelevant point. As surely the source of the irrelevance if far more irrelevant than the effect. |
Also, your posts clearly suggest that you need help with the use of its / it's.
There is currently a book in Waterstones called:
'THE FU*KING APOSTROPHE'
The title will appear in full, and in capitals, on the book's cover for you.
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 06:22 - Sep 21 with 915 views | EasternJack |
12 pages on whether some or most sang songs about JJ's hairdo
God help this forum if anyone brings up Molby's drinking habits |  |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 07:05 - Sep 21 with 897 views | jack247 |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:57 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
No help needed. Bit slow on the uptake there, I have stated previously that on mediums such as this - I actively choose not to use them - but entirely acknowledge I should.
I just refuse to out of sheer laziness. I believe my content is allowing of this luxury. A bit like giving the best player in the team a day off training on a Tuesday.
But Im glad your level of perception (although slow) doesnt match your level of compression skills. So we have something to build on with regards to your progress at least.
Every cloud. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 1:14]
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I'm such a good poster I don't bother with grammar. I'm essentially the Zlatan of this forum.
Fair play E20, you don't make me laugh often, but that was class. | | | |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 08:37 - Sep 21 with 852 views | costalotta |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 00:57 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
No help needed. Bit slow on the uptake there, I have stated previously that on mediums such as this - I actively choose not to use them - but entirely acknowledge I should.
I just refuse to out of sheer laziness. I believe my content is allowing of this luxury. A bit like giving the best player in the team a day off training on a Tuesday.
But Im glad your level of perception (although slow) doesnt match your level of compression skills. So we have something to build on with regards to your progress at least.
Every cloud. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 1:14]
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Do you think you are the best player in the team? I wonder what team that is.
#meknownothing. #yougotnothing
I know you don't care and in a way that's good but your content is 95% self perpetuating boring rubbish. Your still wrong on everything apart from your observations you had 20 years ago. You and your 5 other 'first hand accounts' which is according to you historically important is a minority of approx 0.05% (basing it on 4000) people in attendance. You got nothing in terms of evidence other than your claim and hearsay. To continue suggesting you have proof really means you also got nothing between ears as well. You wrong! And still wrong! [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 8:38]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:30 - Sep 21 with 838 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 08:37 - Sep 21 by costalotta |
Do you think you are the best player in the team? I wonder what team that is.
#meknownothing. #yougotnothing
I know you don't care and in a way that's good but your content is 95% self perpetuating boring rubbish. Your still wrong on everything apart from your observations you had 20 years ago. You and your 5 other 'first hand accounts' which is according to you historically important is a minority of approx 0.05% (basing it on 4000) people in attendance. You got nothing in terms of evidence other than your claim and hearsay. To continue suggesting you have proof really means you also got nothing between ears as well. You wrong! And still wrong! [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 8:38]
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Well if this thread is a microcosm of a team and each individual poster is a player then yes, I am your proverbial pele.
Boring and rubbish are both very much descriptive words based on personal preference, a bit like tasty and bland. Getting battered by logic is never the most entertaining thing to have done to you so completely understand why you may feel they are boring and rubbish.
Still definitely not wrong however, but I am sure I dont actually have to tell you that, I am sure you have figured that out by now. There was certainly not 4000 people on the North Bank, our attendances were roughly 5,500. I would suggest there was 2,500 on the North bank, and of that 2500 maybe 1000 of which were down the "noisy end".
At the moment we have around 5 out of 15 (not 5 out of 4000) which is an incredible ratio given the impossibilities of everyone hearing the same voices at a match, in fact that ratio is astonishingly high considering the length of time it was ago. The other important bit is that the other side is not conflicting the ones that confirm, they are not differing versions of events, they are personal accounts of simply not hearing.
If a bag was snatched/pocket was picked on the street of 4000 people you were walking on, the majority wont see it and will say so if asked (this would not be used as evidence against those that did hiwever, due to the obvious circumstances why someone wouldnt see it, they are not saying it did not happen, just that that did not see it) - but a good few may have seen the event occur, and it is those few whose evidence will convict, or the bare minimum in confirming beyond reasonable doubt that the event did indeed occur.
To be wrong about knowing the importance of first hand witness statements would be like you claiming I was wrong that it is important we eat food. You are doing your mental capacity, and reputation a great disservice by continuing this foolhardy stupidity based on a personal obsession. Just a thought. Plus you wont get anywhere it is the easiest of all debates and impossible for you to win, I have logic, clear evidence and correctness on my side, but on behalf of the part of my brain that is like a cat playing with a mouse - please continue to try. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 9:58]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:34 - Sep 21 with 832 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 07:05 - Sep 21 by jack247 |
I'm such a good poster I don't bother with grammar. I'm essentially the Zlatan of this forum.
Fair play E20, you don't make me laugh often, but that was class. |
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:57 - Sep 21 with 812 views | 1462jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:30 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
Well if this thread is a microcosm of a team and each individual poster is a player then yes, I am your proverbial pele.
Boring and rubbish are both very much descriptive words based on personal preference, a bit like tasty and bland. Getting battered by logic is never the most entertaining thing to have done to you so completely understand why you may feel they are boring and rubbish.
Still definitely not wrong however, but I am sure I dont actually have to tell you that, I am sure you have figured that out by now. There was certainly not 4000 people on the North Bank, our attendances were roughly 5,500. I would suggest there was 2,500 on the North bank, and of that 2500 maybe 1000 of which were down the "noisy end".
At the moment we have around 5 out of 15 (not 5 out of 4000) which is an incredible ratio given the impossibilities of everyone hearing the same voices at a match, in fact that ratio is astonishingly high considering the length of time it was ago. The other important bit is that the other side is not conflicting the ones that confirm, they are not differing versions of events, they are personal accounts of simply not hearing.
If a bag was snatched/pocket was picked on the street of 4000 people you were walking on, the majority wont see it and will say so if asked (this would not be used as evidence against those that did hiwever, due to the obvious circumstances why someone wouldnt see it, they are not saying it did not happen, just that that did not see it) - but a good few may have seen the event occur, and it is those few whose evidence will convict, or the bare minimum in confirming beyond reasonable doubt that the event did indeed occur.
To be wrong about knowing the importance of first hand witness statements would be like you claiming I was wrong that it is important we eat food. You are doing your mental capacity, and reputation a great disservice by continuing this foolhardy stupidity based on a personal obsession. Just a thought. Plus you wont get anywhere it is the easiest of all debates and impossible for you to win, I have logic, clear evidence and correctness on my side, but on behalf of the part of my brain that is like a cat playing with a mouse - please continue to try. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 9:58]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 10:00 - Sep 21 with 811 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:57 - Sep 21 by 1462jack |
Christ you don't half waffle |
As long as it is quality waffle then thats ok by me, and upon re-reading it the waffle is pretty comprehensive and covers all angles put to me.
Edit - As a warning, this thread could go 20+ pages of waffle, I would maybe find another if waffle is not your thing. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 10:05]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 10:17 - Sep 21 with 800 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 20:41 - Sep 20 by E20Jack |
Well that's not really the horses mouth, the horses mouth would be the people racially abusing him from the stands. He is very lucky he did not hear it. Because you can tell him from me if you wish. He was racially abused many times from the North Bank, as others have said.
Ask Rooney if he heard a group of kids calling him Shrek when he was down here too. I assume he wouldn't know. [Post edited 20 Sep 2017 20:43]
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Didn't you say he heard it and it appeared to bother and upset him? You certainly implied it.
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 10:28 - Sep 21 with 792 views | E20Jack |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 10:17 - Sep 21 by Brynmill_Jack |
Didn't you say he heard it and it appeared to bother and upset him? You certainly implied it.
And as for evidence - a "victim statement" where he denies ever experiencing racial abuse down here is case closed. |
Heard "it"? What is "it"? Abuse? yes. He even told the North Bank to "please just shut up, you are not helping" or words to that effect. Unless you believe he did that because they were rustling their crisp packets too loud and annoying him? Possible, but unlikely. I would suggest it was something to do with the hundreds of people screaming at him to "f*ck off" or again, words and phrases to that effect.
As stated previously Brynnie, this is not a criminal prosecution, nothing to do with the victim of the abuse not willing to press charges due to being on the pitch and not hearing it - not to mention nobody knowing who indeed was shouting these things (apart from one poster who knows one of these said racial abusers, but refuses to name him). If you stole an old lady's handbag, others saw and reported it and she decided to not press charges - you would still have stolen her purse regardless of whether she was aware of the crime.
So in summary we are not looking to see if we can get a prosecution, we are looking to see if an event did or did not occur. The fact we have several first hand witness statements suggest that it did at this point. The fact it wouldnt result in a criminal prosecution is irrelevant. But I am sure you dont need me telling you this, its all very obvious.
It really is that straight forward. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 10:37]
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| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 10:40 - Sep 21 with 781 views | costalotta |
| Serious question for people that went to the Vetch on 09:30 - Sep 21 by E20Jack |
Well if this thread is a microcosm of a team and each individual poster is a player then yes, I am your proverbial pele.
Boring and rubbish are both very much descriptive words based on personal preference, a bit like tasty and bland. Getting battered by logic is never the most entertaining thing to have done to you so completely understand why you may feel they are boring and rubbish.
Still definitely not wrong however, but I am sure I dont actually have to tell you that, I am sure you have figured that out by now. There was certainly not 4000 people on the North Bank, our attendances were roughly 5,500. I would suggest there was 2,500 on the North bank, and of that 2500 maybe 1000 of which were down the "noisy end".
At the moment we have around 5 out of 15 (not 5 out of 4000) which is an incredible ratio given the impossibilities of everyone hearing the same voices at a match, in fact that ratio is astonishingly high considering the length of time it was ago. The other important bit is that the other side is not conflicting the ones that confirm, they are not differing versions of events, they are personal accounts of simply not hearing.
If a bag was snatched/pocket was picked on the street of 4000 people you were walking on, the majority wont see it and will say so if asked (this would not be used as evidence against those that did hiwever, due to the obvious circumstances why someone wouldnt see it, they are not saying it did not happen, just that that did not see it) - but a good few may have seen the event occur, and it is those few whose evidence will convict, or the bare minimum in confirming beyond reasonable doubt that the event did indeed occur.
To be wrong about knowing the importance of first hand witness statements would be like you claiming I was wrong that it is important we eat food. You are doing your mental capacity, and reputation a great disservice by continuing this foolhardy stupidity based on a personal obsession. Just a thought. Plus you wont get anywhere it is the easiest of all debates and impossible for you to win, I have logic, clear evidence and correctness on my side, but on behalf of the part of my brain that is like a cat playing with a mouse - please continue to try. [Post edited 21 Sep 2017 9:58]
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So your mathematically selective and just as inept as well. Still wrong!
Also, it's going to disappoint you but given your inability to understand anything that others write your nowhere near a best player by some way. You don't even get in to the under 10s.
This is for you.
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