| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? 17:29 - Sep 23 with 13025 views | marchamjack |
Anyone at all? |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:17 - Oct 1 with 1880 views | Croftyjack |
Sorry I must be watching something different as Carroll is useless at set pieces and his general play is just pure average..he is never going to improve!!
In the first few seasons he would not be near the first team FACT |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:30 - Oct 1 with 1867 views | trampie |
We are missing Siggy an awful lot. |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:43 - Oct 1 with 1855 views | lifelong |
In 188 Premier League appearances Siggy has scored 42 goals and made 33 assists. |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 07:21 - Oct 2 with 1802 views | builthjack |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:43 - Oct 1 by lifelong |
In 188 Premier League appearances Siggy has scored 42 goals and made 33 assists. |
I would be surprised if Carroll gets a quarter of those goals. No comparison and anyone who thinks Carroll is equal to Siggy with a dead ball needs to be in the asylum. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 08:51 - Oct 2 with 1768 views | Jokeren1943 |
I think,.. Gylfi has left the club, so it is a pointless debate.
We have, what we have, and we need to make it work with what we have.. |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 08:55 - Oct 2 with 1761 views | Tom1912 |
It's not even a debate, of course we are. I have no idea how you could argue otherwise. | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 09:17 - Oct 2 with 1749 views | nantywatcher |
Did anyone watch his performance yesterday? He was useless. Carroll without a doubt takes a far better and more consistent corner kick than Siggy. Where we really miss him is on goal scoring opportunity free kicks, we carry no threat at the moment, I expected Sanches to take that role, maybe ask Alfie to give it a blast, as he's scored a few in the past? | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 09:19 - Oct 2 with 1748 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:30 - Oct 1 by trampie |
We are missing Siggy an awful lot. |
It would appear that Everton is, too. |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 09:32 - Oct 2 with 1736 views | jack247 |
We are missing him far more than we should be. That's due to Clements tactics more than anything else. We have got the players to be creating chances. Sanches and Mesa behind Bony, Ayew and Tammy should be able to create enough on their own.
We have too much quality to be relying on set pieces. We are under-utilising it at the moment.
In terms of set pieces, Carrol probably is the better crosser, but he doesn't have Llorente to aim at. Siggy was amongst the best in the league at shooting from free kicks. | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 09:54 - Oct 2 with 1724 views | mikecranleigh |
Gylfi doesn't seem to fit into Everton's formation if Koeman gets sacked a cheeky loan move or £30 million bid might be in order |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 11:17 - Oct 2 with 1691 views | DafyddHuw |
To the OP.
Yes, practically everyone, except the usual contingent from DENSA. |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 11:44 - Oct 2 with 1683 views | westwalesed |
Siggurdsson was by most people's and most commentators estimation the best dead ball specialist in the league last season. The fact we had someone who could head it too was of course a bonus.
When we won that free kick against WHU (when Tammy was charging through the middle) did anyone think Carrol or Sanches was going to step up and ping it in the top corner? That's what we are missing. Those individual brilliance moments that clubs like us desperately need to stay in games and pick up points here and there eg vs Man Utd away last year.
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 11:56 - Oct 2 with 1674 views | jack247 |
Dead balls should be a bonus, not one of our main weapons.
This season is starting to expose Clement a bit. I thought he was a good manager just finding a way to get the best out of the players he had and keep us up. I thought we would be a lot more creative going forward this season. So far, we have lost our potency from set pieces, which I fully expected, but utterly failed to replace it with more fluid attacking. I didn't expect that. | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 12:32 - Oct 2 with 1652 views | SPboy |
There are some people who will always be reluctant to recognise Sigurdsson’s contribution to the cause. Here are some stats from the BBC website, make your own mind up:
7 - Since his Premier League debut, Sigurdsson has scored more free-kicks than any other player
8 - Sigurdsson provided more assists last season from dead ball situations than any other player in the Premier League
34 - With 34 goals Sigurdsson is Swansea's top scorer in the Premier League
29 - With 29 assists Sigurdsson is Swansea's most prolific creator of goals in the Premier League
433 - Sigurdsson covered more distance (kilometres) in the Premier League than any other player last season |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 13:58 - Oct 2 with 1617 views | builthjack |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 12:32 - Oct 2 by SPboy |
There are some people who will always be reluctant to recognise Sigurdsson’s contribution to the cause. Here are some stats from the BBC website, make your own mind up:
7 - Since his Premier League debut, Sigurdsson has scored more free-kicks than any other player
8 - Sigurdsson provided more assists last season from dead ball situations than any other player in the Premier League
34 - With 34 goals Sigurdsson is Swansea's top scorer in the Premier League
29 - With 29 assists Sigurdsson is Swansea's most prolific creator of goals in the Premier League
433 - Sigurdsson covered more distance (kilometres) in the Premier League than any other player last season |
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 14:41 - Oct 2 with 1594 views | TheResurrection |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 12:32 - Oct 2 by SPboy |
There are some people who will always be reluctant to recognise Sigurdsson’s contribution to the cause. Here are some stats from the BBC website, make your own mind up:
7 - Since his Premier League debut, Sigurdsson has scored more free-kicks than any other player
8 - Sigurdsson provided more assists last season from dead ball situations than any other player in the Premier League
34 - With 34 goals Sigurdsson is Swansea's top scorer in the Premier League
29 - With 29 assists Sigurdsson is Swansea's most prolific creator of goals in the Premier League
433 - Sigurdsson covered more distance (kilometres) in the Premier League than any other player last season |
All that says is he's good with a non moving ball and runs around a lot. But we all know that.
The Everton fans have noticed this too. Someone mentioned he'd run the furthest against Burnley and someone replied, yeah ran away from the ball.
What we also know is he's extremely basic from open play, never beats a man, points a lot, flails his arms even more and has become the biggest con in football for that price.
As soon as he had the chance he was out of here, yet grown men pine for him like soppy little girls.
It's truly embarrassing. |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 15:17 - Oct 2 with 1570 views | ploppy |
Everton fans are starting to realise what they've bought (copied verbatim from their forum):
Thought I was a fan of his but my god please say we kept the receipt
Completely and utterly garbage to be quite frank.
He's a passenger that doesn't have the skill or pace to beat a man, the vision to pick a pass, or the ability to hold up a ball.
£45m for someone to take a corner, and an average one at that.
I really don’t see what people did when he was at Swansea, he never influenced a game or carried the team by being a dynamic driving engine
What a waste of money , was never a fan, expected something , got nothing.
He was a very bad buy at a scandalously high price.
Not good enough, at all.
He cant even take a good corner.
Still waiting for him to do anything. Certainly more than his first good set-piece too.
He's another player who people think's good, and is quite good, but isn't really very good.
Ran away from the ball more than anyone
I think we overpaid by about £35 million!
Our £45m playmaker hasn't attempted a through ball since he joined the club.
Maybe that is because he is shoite !!
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 18:52 - Oct 2 with 1519 views | SPboy |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 14:41 - Oct 2 by TheResurrection |
All that says is he's good with a non moving ball and runs around a lot. But we all know that.
The Everton fans have noticed this too. Someone mentioned he'd run the furthest against Burnley and someone replied, yeah ran away from the ball.
What we also know is he's extremely basic from open play, never beats a man, points a lot, flails his arms even more and has become the biggest con in football for that price.
As soon as he had the chance he was out of here, yet grown men pine for him like soppy little girls.
It's truly embarrassing. |
No. What it says is that with Sigurdsson in our side there was always a chance of him creating something, scoring or even getting a shot on target.
Without him we have scored the grand sum of 3 goals with 11 shots in 7 (yes seven!) games. Now that is truly embarrassing.
Pining for Sigurdsson, no, pining for someone who could give us what he gave us, yes absolutely. | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:22 - Oct 2 with 1498 views | Neath_Jack |
We may be missing his direct free kicks at goal, but other than that? No.
Even if he was here, we haven't got a 6"6 striker to nod home his crosses.
The most un-creative number 10 to have graced the premier league. |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:27 - Oct 2 with 1492 views | ploppy |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 18:52 - Oct 2 by SPboy |
No. What it says is that with Sigurdsson in our side there was always a chance of him creating something, scoring or even getting a shot on target.
Without him we have scored the grand sum of 3 goals with 11 shots in 7 (yes seven!) games. Now that is truly embarrassing.
Pining for Sigurdsson, no, pining for someone who could give us what he gave us, yes absolutely. |
Well, that's the thing. Are we missing Siggy's goal scoring free kicks from the edge of the box? Yes. Are we missing Siggy's free kicks from elsewhere? Sort of, but Carroll's aren't bad. Are we missing Siggy's corners? Less so (even Everton fans are complaining about them). Are we missing Siggy's lack of pace or inability to beat a man? No. Are we missing Siggy's poor control in tight areas (as exhibited against Burnley)? No.
So, I think the OP has asked the wrong question.
As an aside: I've just finished reading Moneyball. While I'm not sure that it all translates to football there are certainly some good points in there. Most pertinently: when you lose a "big" player (Jason Giambi in Oakland A's case), what's important is that you replace the facets of that player that were contributing to positive results. That analysis is not trivial. For example, it's all very well having a player who can score free kicks from the edge of the box, but if you're not winning enough free kicks in those positions to make it statistically significant then it's pointless. And how do you win free kicks in those positions? Well, you have to play in those areas for a start. And so on. BTW: Siggy didn't score every free kick from the edge of the box. Don't know what his percentage success rate was but that would be the kind of analysis you'd need to make. | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:31 - Oct 2 with 1486 views | MrSwerve |
I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather be mid table playing slightly unattractive football than chasing this 'Swansea way' style that actually lasted about 5 or 6 years of our history.
Goals = points = happy supporters
I also love how some are saying to give Bony etc time to settle in yet are writing off Siggy's Everton career after a couple of games.
We may eventually get our benign passing possession football back, but it'll be at a cost in my opinion. |  |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:38 - Oct 2 with 1475 views | ploppy |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:31 - Oct 2 by MrSwerve |
I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather be mid table playing slightly unattractive football than chasing this 'Swansea way' style that actually lasted about 5 or 6 years of our history.
Goals = points = happy supporters
I also love how some are saying to give Bony etc time to settle in yet are writing off Siggy's Everton career after a couple of games.
We may eventually get our benign passing possession football back, but it'll be at a cost in my opinion. |
Yes, but when you pay £45m for someone, you'd expect them to make an instant impact. How much was Bony? Siggy's played 7 games BTW (I think). | | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:40 - Oct 2 with 1473 views | MrSwerve |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:38 - Oct 2 by ploppy |
Yes, but when you pay £45m for someone, you'd expect them to make an instant impact. How much was Bony? Siggy's played 7 games BTW (I think). |
It was a lot of money, but in a massively inflated market.
Clucas is our record signing ffs... | |
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| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:57 - Oct 2 with 1454 views | LeonWasGod |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 23:43 - Oct 1 by lifelong |
In 188 Premier League appearances Siggy has scored 42 goals and made 33 assists. |
Not important to some people, apparently  |  | | |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 20:15 - Oct 2 with 1441 views | jack247 |
| Dead balls...anyone think we're not missing Siggy? on 19:31 - Oct 2 by MrSwerve |
I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather be mid table playing slightly unattractive football than chasing this 'Swansea way' style that actually lasted about 5 or 6 years of our history.
Goals = points = happy supporters
I also love how some are saying to give Bony etc time to settle in yet are writing off Siggy's Everton career after a couple of games.
We may eventually get our benign passing possession football back, but it'll be at a cost in my opinion. |
It lasted from Martinez to Laudrup (exclude the Sousa era if you want), so a bit longer than 5 years, but I get your point.
The most salient point is we would never have got anywhere near PL football without it. Probably wouldnt have got out of league one. We won't last that long playing percentage football, as we will invariably be competing against more ambitious clubs. Start playing the same football as everyone else (as we did a few years back) and it will eventually become a case of who has the best players. Best we can hope for then is to have slightly better than the likes of Burnley and Huddersfield every season. | | | |
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