| 1917 12:44 - Oct 10 with 6147 views | whoflungdung |
Anniversary of glorious revolution and overthrow of Tsars .
Birth of the socialist state
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| 1917 on 13:10 - Oct 10 with 2248 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Thanks for that dung
I'll record that |  |
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| 1917 on 13:16 - Oct 10 with 2240 views | Lohengrin |
The Leader: I look a proper Charlie! Nice one.
Tom Fool: I swear Diane said Pirates, boss.
The Leader: It's Punjab you clown! Punjab!
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| 1917 on 13:20 - Oct 10 with 2233 views | swanjackal |
| 1917 on 13:16 - Oct 10 by Lohengrin |
The Leader: I look a proper Charlie! Nice one.
Tom Fool: I swear Diane said Pirates, boss.
The Leader: It's Punjab you clown! Punjab!
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| 1917 on 13:29 - Oct 10 with 2225 views | trampie |
Radio Wales have just done a very highbrow series (believed they labelled it as educational) which seemed to point towards the South Wales coalfield being virtually communist, the professors and experts were fully into the subject.
The highlight for one seemed to be taken to a chapel in the Rhigos to hear a great communist Welsh speaking minister talk (contradiction to some but there you go).
Didn't catch the full quote but something along the lines of the Rhondda didn't have scouts/guides but communist pioneers, lol, I actually think the pioneer movement is still going in North Korea, smile.
On a different topic one of the experts had written a paper (may have been a book) on the Anthracite strike mentioning Amman valley, Swansea valley, Dulais valley types marching picking up more and more men to fight boyos from my village, was it 10k to 1k or 1k to a 100.
It was a home win. lol. |  |
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| 1917 on 13:36 - Oct 10 with 2214 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 13:29 - Oct 10 by trampie |
Radio Wales have just done a very highbrow series (believed they labelled it as educational) which seemed to point towards the South Wales coalfield being virtually communist, the professors and experts were fully into the subject.
The highlight for one seemed to be taken to a chapel in the Rhigos to hear a great communist Welsh speaking minister talk (contradiction to some but there you go).
Didn't catch the full quote but something along the lines of the Rhondda didn't have scouts/guides but communist pioneers, lol, I actually think the pioneer movement is still going in North Korea, smile.
On a different topic one of the experts had written a paper (may have been a book) on the Anthracite strike mentioning Amman valley, Swansea valley, Dulais valley types marching picking up more and more men to fight boyos from my village, was it 10k to 1k or 1k to a 100.
It was a home win. lol. |
You don't half canter some old pony on times, Tramp!  | |
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| 1917 on 13:41 - Oct 10 with 2197 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 13:20 - Oct 10 by swanjackal |
The Bloods are really scraping the barrel on membership these days. |
Da Marx Mob, bruv!
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| 1917 on 13:45 - Oct 10 with 2193 views | trampie |
Didn't you listen to it Lohengrin, I think they had the old Aberavon MP on there and Owen Smith's old man.
Massive communist area only a few decades ago, that you know nothing about, when I said I have people in my family that won't have Churchills name mentioned in the house, it was above your comprehension to believe it.
You said you could not pigeon hole me, they said there were communist families in South Wales where the sons and daughters were communist, that it was a generational thing.
There was strong communists in Aberdare, Merthyr, Rhigos, Penderyn, Rhondda areas, even Neath had them. | |
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| 1917 on 13:56 - Oct 10 with 2177 views | trampie |
Heard something the other day, Corbyn would not be on the left of the Labour party in the 1960s. | |
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| 1917 on 14:00 - Oct 10 with 2166 views | trampie |
I think like most people Leanne Wood is a product of her environment. | |
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| 1917 on 14:18 - Oct 10 with 2149 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 13:45 - Oct 10 by trampie |
Didn't you listen to it Lohengrin, I think they had the old Aberavon MP on there and Owen Smith's old man.
Massive communist area only a few decades ago, that you know nothing about, when I said I have people in my family that won't have Churchills name mentioned in the house, it was above your comprehension to believe it.
You said you could not pigeon hole me, they said there were communist families in South Wales where the sons and daughters were communist, that it was a generational thing.
There was strong communists in Aberdare, Merthyr, Rhigos, Penderyn, Rhondda areas, even Neath had them. |
I didn't catch it, no. Hywel Francis isn't the sharpest tool in the box, Tramp. Although right at the minute he's probably an excited fool thinking the Spanish Civil War is about to reignite! Dai Smith isn't a fool but he is in the business of selling myths. He's made a good living at it, he spins a yarn well.
This "massive communist area" you're talking about provided more volunteers per head of population to defend the Empire in either world war than any other constituent part of the United Kingdom. It saw Keir Hardie come within an ace of being lynched in Dowlais and a Mosleyite candidate poll over 10,000 votes in Merthyr.
It has held street parties to celebrate Royal occasions since the idea was first popularised.
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It had and continues to have a solid Christian tradition. Jump in the car later, Tramp, take a drive up to Tonypandy and see for yourself what adorns the mountain overlooking the town!
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| 1917 on 14:20 - Oct 10 with 2145 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 1917 on 14:00 - Oct 10 by trampie |
I think like most people Leanne Wood is a product of her environment. |
And vodka. |  |
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| 1917 on 14:23 - Oct 10 with 2142 views | Lohengrin |
You beat me to it there, 'ya bugger! I was just about to ask if she had been born and raised in the lounge of The De Winton Arms! | |
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| 1917 on 14:45 - Oct 10 with 2111 views | Professor |
| 1917 on 13:45 - Oct 10 by trampie |
Didn't you listen to it Lohengrin, I think they had the old Aberavon MP on there and Owen Smith's old man.
Massive communist area only a few decades ago, that you know nothing about, when I said I have people in my family that won't have Churchills name mentioned in the house, it was above your comprehension to believe it.
You said you could not pigeon hole me, they said there were communist families in South Wales where the sons and daughters were communist, that it was a generational thing.
There was strong communists in Aberdare, Merthyr, Rhigos, Penderyn, Rhondda areas, even Neath had them. |
Did not hear it. However it is true that Rhondda was a realtively strong communist area from the 1920s until the 1980s. There were communist councillors and mayor (Annie Powell). Support was particularly strong in Rhondda Fach. Maerdy was called Little Mosciw. A friend's grandfather was a staunch communist who fought in the International Brigade and visited Moscow as a guest of the Politburo.
Support dwindled in the 80s. The last real hurrah was the 1983 General Election where CPGB outpolled the tories. | | | |
| 1917 on 15:45 - Oct 10 with 2075 views | whoflungdung |
You done well ,Prof Paul | |
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| 1917 on 16:35 - Oct 10 with 2047 views | trampie |
| 1917 on 14:45 - Oct 10 by Professor |
Did not hear it. However it is true that Rhondda was a realtively strong communist area from the 1920s until the 1980s. There were communist councillors and mayor (Annie Powell). Support was particularly strong in Rhondda Fach. Maerdy was called Little Mosciw. A friend's grandfather was a staunch communist who fought in the International Brigade and visited Moscow as a guest of the Politburo.
Support dwindled in the 80s. The last real hurrah was the 1983 General Election where CPGB outpolled the tories. |
In 1945 the General Election in Rhondda East was fought between 3 parties, Labour, Communists and Plaid.
Labour beat the Communists by 972 votes, that is all.
16k played 15k, could Plaids 2k have saved Labour ?
PS The Labour party in 1945 would have be called Communists by the right wingers on here anyway.
Rhondda was so far left they would need binoculars to see the centre ground. [Post edited 10 Oct 2017 16:42]
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| 1917 on 16:41 - Oct 10 with 2038 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 14:45 - Oct 10 by Professor |
Did not hear it. However it is true that Rhondda was a realtively strong communist area from the 1920s until the 1980s. There were communist councillors and mayor (Annie Powell). Support was particularly strong in Rhondda Fach. Maerdy was called Little Mosciw. A friend's grandfather was a staunch communist who fought in the International Brigade and visited Moscow as a guest of the Politburo.
Support dwindled in the 80s. The last real hurrah was the 1983 General Election where CPGB outpolled the tories. |
'Relative.' Now there's a hook to hang just about anything on, Prof. Valley Communism may have had relative strength compared to somewhere like Gower but it still, even in Rhondda Fach, amounted to very little. Even in Maerdy itself membership would have been dwarfed by membership of The Legion. Compared to membership of the local chapels Zoar, Sion, Bethel, Bethania, Carmel and Calfaria it would have been miniscule.
* I'm sat here trying to think of any distinction between your friend's grandfather and the Canton jihadis and coming up blank. | |
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| 1917 on 16:47 - Oct 10 with 2024 views | Mo_Wives |
| 1917 on 13:20 - Oct 10 by swanjackal |
The Bloods are really scraping the barrel on membership these days. |
I thought that was Tookie Williams with Jezza for a moment...then I remembered big Tookie was a Crip. |  |
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| 1917 on 16:49 - Oct 10 with 2017 views | Mo_Wives |
| 1917 on 14:00 - Oct 10 by trampie |
I think like most people Leanne Wood is a product of her environment. |
Grow up near a slag heap did she? | |
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| 1917 on 16:54 - Oct 10 with 2014 views | trampie |
Until the 1970s Communists always used to stand in Neath and get a couple of thousand votes about 1 in every 20 people used to vote for them.
Neath isn't in the Aberdare, Merthyr, Rhondda triangle but still some Communist presence there, bet it was the upper valleys that was voting deep red, lol. | |
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| 1917 on 10:34 - Oct 11 with 1928 views | Professor |
| 1917 on 16:41 - Oct 10 by Lohengrin |
'Relative.' Now there's a hook to hang just about anything on, Prof. Valley Communism may have had relative strength compared to somewhere like Gower but it still, even in Rhondda Fach, amounted to very little. Even in Maerdy itself membership would have been dwarfed by membership of The Legion. Compared to membership of the local chapels Zoar, Sion, Bethel, Bethania, Carmel and Calfaria it would have been miniscule.
* I'm sat here trying to think of any distinction between your friend's grandfather and the Canton jihadis and coming up blank. |
All points of view of course, but fighting against Franco’s nationalists/fascists would seem a good thing. But from and Islamist POV then drone strikes could equate to the Condor Legion’s bombing campaign- Guernica being the best example. An extremist could take the view that jihadi action equates to that of the International Brigade. I would take the view that ISIS are anti-human as much as any political or religious cause. | | | |
| 1917 on 10:40 - Oct 11 with 1920 views | Lord_Bony |
| 1917 on 10:34 - Oct 11 by Professor |
All points of view of course, but fighting against Franco’s nationalists/fascists would seem a good thing. But from and Islamist POV then drone strikes could equate to the Condor Legion’s bombing campaign- Guernica being the best example. An extremist could take the view that jihadi action equates to that of the International Brigade. I would take the view that ISIS are anti-human as much as any political or religious cause. |
Some good points.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but I agree Isis and it's followers are anti human just out for themselves. |  |
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| 1917 on 11:28 - Oct 11 with 1889 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 10:34 - Oct 11 by Professor |
All points of view of course, but fighting against Franco’s nationalists/fascists would seem a good thing. But from and Islamist POV then drone strikes could equate to the Condor Legion’s bombing campaign- Guernica being the best example. An extremist could take the view that jihadi action equates to that of the International Brigade. I would take the view that ISIS are anti-human as much as any political or religious cause. |
"An extremist could take the view that jihadi action equates to that of the International Brigade."
This is 2017 so an extremist would be anybody who doesn't dress culturally to 'the left' or swallow its myths unthinkingly? You seem to think the parallel is without foundation, Prof? Let's take a quick dart back and forth across the decades and compare the recent fate of the Yazidis with that of the rural Christians in communist occupied Spain. On the treatment meted out to the clergy we have Orwell's account of Priests having their ears and noses cut off by Brigaders, of the Mother of a Priest being held down and choked to death by having a rosary rammed down her throat. From Laurie Lee we have the deliberate destruction of Christian buildings and his own wanton act of urination in a Baptismal Font. A deed, incidentally, which in later years was to cause him much shame, "I was seized by the madness and it has soiled the rest of my life." From the poet Roy Campbell is handed down tales of the mass rape of nuns and parishioners. Again from Orwell we have the accounts of the mass murder of leftist 'heretics' by the International Brigade who would brook no internal opposition to the imposition of Stalin's orthodoxies. ISIS violence against non-aligned Moslem sects is an exact echo.
This isn't make believe, Prof. None of these events are contested. It's what the reds did, it's what ISIS do. This is how your friend's grandfather spent his youth. Those old, rheumy eyes once had the gleam of Marat. Don't be lulled into imagining otherwise.
Different eras, Prof, the same darkness.
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| 1917 on 18:32 - Oct 11 with 1775 views | whoflungdung |
Why is Wales brought into this thread
This was about Russia,and Russia alone
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| 1917 on 20:13 - Oct 11 with 1725 views | Lohengrin |
| 1917 on 18:32 - Oct 11 by whoflungdung |
Why is Wales brought into this thread
This was about Russia,and Russia alone
Jesus |
That's my pal Trampie for you, Perch. He could manage to shoehorn the Vale of Neath into a discussion about the mating habits of even-toed ungulates. | |
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| 1917 on 20:14 - Oct 11 with 1721 views | exiledclaseboy |
Anyone actually seen this programme? I’ve got it recorded, is it worth a watch? | |
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