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The Countdown begins. 23:28 - Nov 10 with 172345 viewspikeypaul



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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:59 - Jul 21 with 621 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 20:00 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001

No.

I said and/ or anti immigration. Twice.

Do you not understand what that means?


Yes I understand, but you’re one of the people on here who accuse anyone anti immigration as being racist or thick so my point still stands.
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The Countdown begins. on 04:18 - Jul 22 with 564 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 21:02 - Jul 21 by longlostjack

See you in August. Enjoy New York.


Ok old man
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The Countdown begins. on 10:11 - Jul 22 with 526 viewspikeypaul

250 AFLI

SIUYRL

NO DEAL is coming home.

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The Countdown begins. on 11:33 - Jul 22 with 493 viewsShaky


Misology -- It's a bitch
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The Countdown begins. on 11:35 - Jul 22 with 490 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 11:33 - Jul 22 by Shaky



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The Countdown begins. on 11:37 - Jul 22 with 487 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 11:35 - Jul 22 by peenemunde



Right, all you can do is giggle like the idiot you are.

Misology -- It's a bitch
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The Countdown begins. on 11:42 - Jul 22 with 484 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 11:33 - Jul 22 by Shaky



The dullards think they save the billions to leave, when in fact the consequences of no deal will dwarf any agreed exit divorce bill. Its already agreed.

Rees-mogg is willing to wait 50 years for any plus side.
That is a gamble that sacrifices all our childrens futures.

Not Farage of coursr, no - his kids will keep their EU passports and he is keeping his EU pension.

Brexidiots - you have been had.

‘Beware of the risen people’ ........🍀🇮🇪 💚 YesCymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

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The Countdown begins. on 12:41 - Jul 22 with 461 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 11:37 - Jul 22 by Shaky

Right, all you can do is giggle like the idiot you are.


And all you can do is post another chart, which proves absolutely nothing.
In fact all you do is post whatever someone else has to say.

Don’t you have any life experience yourself.
You are just another subliminally brained washed idiot.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:48 - Jul 22 with 456 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 12:41 - Jul 22 by peenemunde

And all you can do is post another chart, which proves absolutely nothing.
In fact all you do is post whatever someone else has to say.

Don’t you have any life experience yourself.
You are just another subliminally brained washed idiot.


So then, what evidence have you provided? All you do is post arsedrivel.

Edit - All not Al...kybrd
[Post edited 22 Jul 12:51]

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 12:56 - Jul 22 with 447 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 12:48 - Jul 22 by DJack

So then, what evidence have you provided? All you do is post arsedrivel.

Edit - All not Al...kybrd
[Post edited 22 Jul 12:51]


What evidence to you require ? In regards to the U.K. being able to stand on it own two feet ?
If so - hundreds of years of doing so pre Eu, eec.

Also take a look at Australia, Canada,Japan, South Korea and many of other countries that seem to be doing well and none are in the Eu.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jul 22 with 436 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 12:56 - Jul 22 by peenemunde

What evidence to you require ? In regards to the U.K. being able to stand on it own two feet ?
If so - hundreds of years of doing so pre Eu, eec.

Also take a look at Australia, Canada,Japan, South Korea and many of other countries that seem to be doing well and none are in the Eu.


So still no evidence, just talk of history and nations different to us, nations that in recent history have products to sell whilst the UK trashed or sold it's industry (all parties part of this).

As I've said still no evidence from you.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 13:12 - Jul 22 with 424 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jul 22 by DJack

So still no evidence, just talk of history and nations different to us, nations that in recent history have products to sell whilst the UK trashed or sold it's industry (all parties part of this).

As I've said still no evidence from you.


And who’s fault is that then.
Start investing in U.K. again, instead of bringing in cheap foreign labour would be a good start, which has left a whole generation of youngsters on the scrap heap.

And the game is up....both sides of the debate had their chance in the run up to the referendum to provide evidence and guess what 17.4 million decided they wanted out.

P.s The U.K. had plenty of industry before we entered the eec, so now is the time to re-build.
We still have some of the cleverest people in the World.
The future is bright.
You are just either a doom and gloom merchant (stay away from, very contagious)
Or you are a Eu facist, who doesn’t except a democratic result.
Either way.....you can shove your opinion up your ar$e, because it means absolutely nothing.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:18 - Jul 22 with 417 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 13:12 - Jul 22 by peenemunde

And who’s fault is that then.
Start investing in U.K. again, instead of bringing in cheap foreign labour would be a good start, which has left a whole generation of youngsters on the scrap heap.

And the game is up....both sides of the debate had their chance in the run up to the referendum to provide evidence and guess what 17.4 million decided they wanted out.

P.s The U.K. had plenty of industry before we entered the eec, so now is the time to re-build.
We still have some of the cleverest people in the World.
The future is bright.
You are just either a doom and gloom merchant (stay away from, very contagious)
Or you are a Eu facist, who doesn’t except a democratic result.
Either way.....you can shove your opinion up your ar$e, because it means absolutely nothing.


We had the chances to invest in our industries and mentioning what we had pre-EU is nothing to do with post EU. That is to do with poor decisions by business and UK government.

My opinion, your opinion mean nought. Fact is king and you have none... just whataboutery and misdirection from you.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 13:25 - Jul 22 with 407 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 13:18 - Jul 22 by DJack

We had the chances to invest in our industries and mentioning what we had pre-EU is nothing to do with post EU. That is to do with poor decisions by business and UK government.

My opinion, your opinion mean nought. Fact is king and you have none... just whataboutery and misdirection from you.


Why do people who voted out have to keep on justifying themselves.
There are many successful business people who support Brexit.
The decision has been taken, and to not deliver on that vote would in my opinion be opening the gates of hell.

I’m sitting many thousands of miles away from the U.K. feeling very relaxed about the future.
Have a bit of faith and believe in the British people ffs and stop being a merchant of doom and a naysayer.

Have a nice day.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:47 - Jul 22 with 392 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 13:12 - Jul 22 by peenemunde

And who’s fault is that then.
Start investing in U.K. again, instead of bringing in cheap foreign labour would be a good start, which has left a whole generation of youngsters on the scrap heap.

And the game is up....both sides of the debate had their chance in the run up to the referendum to provide evidence and guess what 17.4 million decided they wanted out.

P.s The U.K. had plenty of industry before we entered the eec, so now is the time to re-build.
We still have some of the cleverest people in the World.
The future is bright.
You are just either a doom and gloom merchant (stay away from, very contagious)
Or you are a Eu facist, who doesn’t except a democratic result.
Either way.....you can shove your opinion up your ar$e, because it means absolutely nothing.


“We still have some of the cleverest people in the World. “

Yeah. And 99% of them are telling you you’re wrong.

So you’re going to listen to them post brexit but are dismissing them as scaremongerers now.

Forget big business and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs, we can catch more cod. At least, we can if we ignore laws and break agreements. Which is a great way to start an era that means we have to sign new agreements. Everyone will trust us completely.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:49 - Jul 22 with 391 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 23:59 - Jul 21 by Jango

Yes I understand, but you’re one of the people on here who accuse anyone anti immigration as being racist or thick so my point still stands.


No, it doesn’t.

It’s been exposed as nonsense.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:50 - Jul 22 with 390 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 13:25 - Jul 22 by peenemunde

Why do people who voted out have to keep on justifying themselves.
There are many successful business people who support Brexit.
The decision has been taken, and to not deliver on that vote would in my opinion be opening the gates of hell.

I’m sitting many thousands of miles away from the U.K. feeling very relaxed about the future.
Have a bit of faith and believe in the British people ffs and stop being a merchant of doom and a naysayer.

Have a nice day.


Why do people who voted out have to keep on justifying themselves. Justify, no. Explain why they chose to harm this coutries financial prospects, yes.

There are many successful business people who support Brexit. There are a few successful business people who support Brexit. They support Brexit as it serves their companies purposes and not the economy as a whole.

The decision has been taken, and to not deliver on that vote would in my opinion be opening the gates of hell. but the public did not specify what exactly they wanted to be delivered.

I’m sitting many thousands of miles away from the U.K. feeling very relaxed about the future. so you are not supporting British businesses by staying in the UK! Hypocrite.

Have a bit of faith and believe in the British people ffs and stop being a merchant of doom and a naysayer. Faith in the British people is not the issue. The actions of a few that will harm our nation is. Yes in the long term we will be OK... but we will be poorer in relation to our peers. Realism is not nay-saying and unicorn thinking will not help the people.

Have a nice day. I'm having a nice day and I'm not thousands of miles from the UK....

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 14:45 - Jul 22 with 364 viewsKerouac

The Single Market for Services in the EU By Paul Brewer



Written by Paul Brewer

"The EU has failed to create a free and single market for services, which account for most of our economy. Most financial services are restricted to the domestic markets of EU member states. The ‘passport’ regime under which financial service providers operate is far from frictionless. The impact of Brexit on the British financial industry will therefore be limited.

There has been much discussion around the single market for both goods and services. While there has been considerable progress in creating a free trade area for goods, something which is welcomed by all sides of the current debate, there has been far less actual integration in financial services than the headlines would suggest. Some progress has also been made on the free movement of service providers, but this does not however gain similar widespread support.

Moves have been made by the EU to improve free trade for services. The Services in the Internal Market (Bolkenstein) Directive in 2006 laid out guidelines to prevent national governments from impeding the establishment or provision of cross-border services in a range of sectors excluding finance. The Capital Markets Union, now accelerated to come into operation in 2019 is designed to deepen and further integrate the capital markets of the EU member states by removing barriers to cross-border investment and lower the cost of funding in the EU especially for new and small firms.

On average across the EU 80% of GDP is in services and yet only 21% of cross border business is services. The European Commission itself has recognised the lack of integration in a number of financial services. Specifically in March this year it issued a proposal for a regulation to facilitate the cross-border distribution of collective investment funds.  The following narrative, which is taken from the Commission’s proposal, highlights the extent to which a free and single market in financial services is far from reality.

Investment funds are investment products created with the sole purpose of pooling investors’ capital, and investing that capital collectively through a portfolio of financial instruments such as stocks, bonds and other securities. In the EU, investment funds are categorised as undertakings for collective investment in transferable securities (UCITS) and alternative investment funds (AIFs) managed by alternative investment fund managers (AIFMs).

Rules for EU investment funds allow managers of investment funds to distribute, and with some exceptions, also to manage their funds across the EU. While EU investment funds have seen rapid growth, with a total of EUR 14 310 billion in assets under management in June 2017, the EU investment fund market is still predominantly organised as a national market: 70 % of all assets under management are held by investment funds authorised or registered for distribution only in their domestic market. Only 37 % of UCITS and about 3 % of AIFs are registered for distribution in more than three Member States.

Although part of the constraint on the development of cross border distribution has been financial – the paper estimates that the cost of the necessary registration process for five funds across three countries is approximately €250,000 – the Commission also recognised that other factors including national tax regimes applicable to investment funds and investors, vertical distribution channels and cultural preferences for domestic investment products all contributed to slow progress in creating a more harmonised market.

While there will no doubt be some impact on UK managers and the distribution of their funds into the EU the current “European passport” regime under which we operate does not provide borderless access but comes with specific registration/notification requirements in each country and associated costs."



Paul Brewer is CEO of Rubicon Fund Management, London.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:10 - Jul 22 with 348 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 13:50 - Jul 22 by DJack

Why do people who voted out have to keep on justifying themselves. Justify, no. Explain why they chose to harm this coutries financial prospects, yes.

There are many successful business people who support Brexit. There are a few successful business people who support Brexit. They support Brexit as it serves their companies purposes and not the economy as a whole.

The decision has been taken, and to not deliver on that vote would in my opinion be opening the gates of hell. but the public did not specify what exactly they wanted to be delivered.

I’m sitting many thousands of miles away from the U.K. feeling very relaxed about the future. so you are not supporting British businesses by staying in the UK! Hypocrite.

Have a bit of faith and believe in the British people ffs and stop being a merchant of doom and a naysayer. Faith in the British people is not the issue. The actions of a few that will harm our nation is. Yes in the long term we will be OK... but we will be poorer in relation to our peers. Realism is not nay-saying and unicorn thinking will not help the people.

Have a nice day. I'm having a nice day and I'm not thousands of miles from the UK....


We don’t have to explain anything- who do you think you are 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 15:17 - Jul 22 with 342 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 15:49 - Jul 20 by londonlisa2001

If only 5% ish of those that voted leave did so on grounds of immigration and / or racism that was enough votes to cause the result to be as it was. I’m sure that even the most ardent leavers would admit that 5% certainly did so.

Therefore, it is perfectly correct to state that racists and those who are anti immigrant caused brexit.


The role of identity politics in the Remainer Revolt By Ben Cobley



Written by Ben Cobley

"Identity politics provides the only serious moral (or rather, moralistic) element in the Remain campaign. It draws simple dividing lines of good and evil, right and wrong. It sets out to create negative associations towards those on the Brexit side, and a contrasting moral, virtuous aspect to those who voted Remain.

The sheer amount of political power mobilised to stop Brexit has been remarkable. From Parliament, the civil service (notably the Treasury), the media, the arts and ‘creative industries’ like advertising and fashion and on to the media and big business, anti-Brexit efforts have been relentlessly effective at putting their messages in front of us as voters – the more so the more time we spend in public life.

Identity politics has played a major part in this campaigning and the ‘media management’ that is so intrinsic to it. However, while the negative politicisation of Brexit as racist, anti-immigrant, xenophobic and even sexist and homophobic has attracted plenty of political back-and-forth, it has attracted relatively little reflection from our political class, including our political media.

In my new book, The Tribe: the liberal-left and the system of diversity, I seek to provide a bit of that reflection, putting the crucial role of identity politics in the referendum campaign and its aftermath into a wider context.  This style of politics and of seeing the world has become embedded and established into our society and its major institutions.
Identity politics in the broad sense politicises fixed and quasi-fixed aspects of our identity — like sex/gender, skin colour and sexuality — above everything else.  It sees them as more fundamental and important to what happens in life than anything else.  It categorizes some identity groups like women and non-white-skinned people as victims of the world, who have to be favoured over other groups as a result. This framework comes from the liberal-left side of politics.  It has spread widely across civil society and the state in recent decades in tune with the New Labour governments and, to an extent, their Conservative successors.

Applied to Brexit, it has provided the only serious moral (or rather, moralistic) element to Remain campaigners’ efforts to keep Britain in the EU, both during the campaign and in the two years since. Those who practice this style of politics have seized on polling evidence and other research to politicise Brexit voters negatively based on their skin colour and ethnicity in particular, and sometimes their gender and even sexuality and religion too. It forms part of a wider campaigning effort to draw simple dividing lines of good and evil, right and wrong.  It creates negative associations towards those on the Brexit side, and a contrasting moral, virtuous aspect to those who voted Remain.
Hence we have seen a stereotype being created of the typical Brexit voter as a white-skinned ethnically English older man, often accompanied with snide remarks, often from people with many of these identifiers themselves. The liberal-left framing implies that these identifiers make up oppressive, perpetrator identities that bear down on victimised, oppressed groups like women, non-white-skinned people and those who have an ethnic background which is not exclusively British or English. Associating these negative identities with Brexit has therefore associated Brexit itself with oppressive behaviour against supposedly victimized groups. Their victimhood is ascribed to the same causes and people as Brexit.

Because this way of seeing the world is now so widespread among our elites and in our major institutions, this negative characterisation of Brexit is readily available to anyone who seeks to confirm it – however flimsy their base of evidence.

In December last year, Sky News ran a report entitled, ‘Brexit vote ‘sparks rise in Islamophobia’ against Muslim footballers at grassroots level’, so drawing a direct causation between Britain voting Leave and Islamophobic incidents taking place in local football. The report was based on a claim from the organisation Kick It Out that the numbers of cases it had been asked to investigate had “increased sharply since the vote to leave Europe”. However it failed to provide any evidence for the link and did not even try to explain it, let alone consider the prospect that there might have been other factors at play, such as Islamist terrorist attacks raising tensions. Instead it presented the disturbing stories of Muslim victimhood as prima facie evidence of an actual increase and of the cause of it. The report worked by association with unfavoured identity groups, as in one complainant’s statement that “The [Football Association] have been found to be a bunch of middle aged white men who are just that demographic [of abusers], who are not aware of what is going on, on the ground, so in grassroots there is not a lot that they do.”

This kind of association of bad things happening with unfavoured identity groups and with Brexit finds a receptive audience in our mainstream media in the same way that it does among liberal-left politicians and campaigners. Directing blame towards racial, gender, and in this case age categories means pressing into possibilities in our public life.
Similarly, Liberal Democrat leader Vince Cable has denounced Brexiters as “white, male, middle-aged”, and said that Leave voters are nostalgic for an imperial past and should be ignored because of their age (seemingly lacking self-awareness there). A month before the referendum vote, Pat Glass, then a Labour MP, told a party rally, “Go and speak to your mother, your grandmother. Don’t speak to your grandfather, we know the problem are older white men.”

Presenting voters on the other side as a problem is one thing, but associating that problem with their gender, skin colour and age takes the rhetoric up to another level.
In common with other Remain messages, this one has found itself echoing across wider civil society, through our major institutions, the voices of major public figures and across social media. A large increase in hate crime reporting around the referendum period and well-publicised incidents such as the death of a Polish man in Harlow and the defacing of a Polish cultural centre in Hammersmith served to present it as a view of reality, not just a form of insult. However, as I discuss in my book, the nature of hate crime reporting leaves the numbers wide open to influence by politicians wishing to see a rise or fall; the relentless promotion of it by leading figures, most notably Sadiq Khan, had to have an effect, though we cannot know how much. However, several incidents painted as Brexit-related hate crimes, including the Harlow and Hammersmith incidents, turned out to be nothing of the sort.  Ironically, in the Hammersmith case the graffiti which media reported as saying ‘Go Home’ was in fact attacking a Polish think-tank that had congratulated Britain for its Leave vote.

Seemingly everywhere we look in public life, we can see institutional power mobilised in order to make Brexit, leading pro-Brexit campaigners and Brexit voters appear outside the frame of decent society – and often gathering around the politics of identity to do so. Much of this has happened around the issue of immigration, which has become a totem of goodness and decency on the liberal-left and the Remain side.

Within what I call ‘the system of diversity’ in The Tribe, those with unfavoured, oppressive identifiers can atone for the original sin of these identifiers, but only by appealing to any favoured, victim identities they may have and/or by offering favour and protection to favoured group identities generally. Given that the Leave side advocated potential restriction of EU immigration, and that immigrants are a favoured group under its racial, ethnic and national categories, the liberal-left could not feasibly do anything but align with Remain. In this way it found itself allying with the politics of free markets and economic expansionism, which wants high immigration in order to keep a constant supply of labour flowing, helping to keep wages down. This alliance between the politics of diversity and that of free markets is a  major political realignment – bringing a huge concentration of organised political power that has so far comfortably defeated any public desire for more control.

Those who have found themselves on the other end of this power have found a weight of political language thrown against them: being called ‘parochial’, ‘ignorant’, ‘narrow-minded’, ‘uneducated’ as well as ‘bigoted’, ‘xenophobic’, ‘racist’, ‘ugly’ and the rest. The term ‘Little Englander’ has also appeared regularly as a favourite insult of Remain campaigners and their followers. Again, this gives negative associations to an identity – in this case England and the English – presenting Leavers as insignificant and inward-looking, yet also often somehow attached to Britain’s imperial past.

This insult is not a new one. In his book English Journey of 1934, J.B. Priestley noted it as “a term of sneering abuse”. However he turned it on its head, contrasting Little Englanders to what he called the “Big Englanders, whom I saw as red-faced, staring, loud-voiced fellows, wanting to go and boss everybody about all over the world . . .”
As Priestley said, “I should be delighted to accept it as a description of myself. That little sounds the right note of affection. It is little England I love.”

 

Ben Cobley is a journalist and a former Labour Party activist.  He writes ‘A Free Left Blog’, and his book The Tribe is available for £12 (RRP £14.95) with free postage to UK addresses. Use coupon TRIBE at imprint.co.uk/tribe.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:31 - Jul 22 with 336 viewsBDS

We’re apparently already stockpiling food and medicine, planning to convert parts of the M26 into a car park. Wondering how many more customs officers we’ll need whilst not knowing how many we already have.
A friend of mine has worked in polling booths in Merthyr for over thirty years. Only once has he seen a huge turnout to vote, and that was for the referendum. People he’d never seen vote before were almost all leave voters who were worried about immigration.
Immigration is obviously a big issue but the the much bigger picture of what post Brexit Britain is going to be like for the average citizen was completely glossed over during the referendum campaign.
I’m still wondering what we export that the rest of the world so despearately needs that it can’t make for itself or source from elsewhere.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:43 - Jul 22 with 328 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 15:31 - Jul 22 by BDS

We’re apparently already stockpiling food and medicine, planning to convert parts of the M26 into a car park. Wondering how many more customs officers we’ll need whilst not knowing how many we already have.
A friend of mine has worked in polling booths in Merthyr for over thirty years. Only once has he seen a huge turnout to vote, and that was for the referendum. People he’d never seen vote before were almost all leave voters who were worried about immigration.
Immigration is obviously a big issue but the the much bigger picture of what post Brexit Britain is going to be like for the average citizen was completely glossed over during the referendum campaign.
I’m still wondering what we export that the rest of the world so despearately needs that it can’t make for itself or source from elsewhere.


We have an £80 billion trade surplus the Eu - so where would they sell £80 billion if it wasn’t to the U.K.
Now is the time for the government to invest heavily into British manufacturing, and we still lead the field in many sectors.

P.s no wonder places like MT have been left behind with people not voting.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:31 - Jul 22 with 290 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 13:47 - Jul 22 by londonlisa2001

“We still have some of the cleverest people in the World. “

Yeah. And 99% of them are telling you you’re wrong.

So you’re going to listen to them post brexit but are dismissing them as scaremongerers now.

Forget big business and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs, we can catch more cod. At least, we can if we ignore laws and break agreements. Which is a great way to start an era that means we have to sign new agreements. Everyone will trust us completely.


"loss of tens of thousands of jobs"

Oh yeah those same ten thousand jobs we lost thanks to the EU. The EU funded companies to move their production to a different country:

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with £80m worth of EU grant and closed Southampton's Swaythling plant
Jaguar Land Rover build a new plant in Slovakia 2016 with an EU grant
Peugeot closed Ryton plant and moved to Slovakia with an EU grant.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:49 - Jul 22 with 278 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 13:47 - Jul 22 by londonlisa2001

“We still have some of the cleverest people in the World. “

Yeah. And 99% of them are telling you you’re wrong.

So you’re going to listen to them post brexit but are dismissing them as scaremongerers now.

Forget big business and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs, we can catch more cod. At least, we can if we ignore laws and break agreements. Which is a great way to start an era that means we have to sign new agreements. Everyone will trust us completely.


The vast majority of people I work with and come across through my work support Brexit and without these people who are also very intelligent, you’d be in serious trouble within 36 hours.

I certainly don’t listen to people with vested interests in staying in the Eu.
Also some of the thickest people I’ve come across voted to remain, but they don’t even know anything about the Eu.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Jul 22 with 263 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 16:31 - Jul 22 by cwm02

"loss of tens of thousands of jobs"

Oh yeah those same ten thousand jobs we lost thanks to the EU. The EU funded companies to move their production to a different country:

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with £80m worth of EU grant and closed Southampton's Swaythling plant
Jaguar Land Rover build a new plant in Slovakia 2016 with an EU grant
Peugeot closed Ryton plant and moved to Slovakia with an EU grant.
[Post edited 23 Jul 16:38]


Eu grant = U.K. taxpayers money.
So basically British money is being used to close factories in the U.K. and move them to some foreign country- absolutely shocking.....whoever is responsible for this should be sent to prison.
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