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https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20190329T23&p0=1336&msg=Democr

1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 07:16 - Jul 24 with 1304 viewsLohengrin

The Countdown begins. on 07:03 - Jul 24 by oh_tommy_tommy

“We are close to a no deal ........by accident “


Jeremy Hunt 2018


You don’t know what you’re doing
You don’t know what you’re doing

We should burn down parliament


You are Marinus van der Lubbe and I claim my five Reichsmarks...

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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The Countdown begins. on 07:17 - Jul 24 with 1304 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 07:11 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

50 years will fly by 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧



Will the pro remain mps resign if they are wrong over Brexit ?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:07 - Jul 24 with 1245 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 07:17 - Jul 24 by peenemunde

Will the pro remain mps resign if they are wrong over Brexit ?


Most of them will be dead in 50 years time
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The Countdown begins. on 09:12 - Jul 24 with 1245 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 09:07 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

Most of them will be dead in 50 years time


Hopefully be replaced by mps that support Brexit. 👍
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The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Jul 24 with 1235 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:12 - Jul 24 by peenemunde

Hopefully be replaced by mps that support Brexit. 👍


Something else for us to look forward to in 50 years time then eh
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The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Jul 24 with 1241 viewspikeypaul

Have the project fear remoaners resigned having already been proven wrong?

248 AFLI

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The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Jul 24 with 1233 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Jul 24 by pikeypaul

Have the project fear remoaners resigned having already been proven wrong?

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Proved wrong on what?
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The Countdown begins. on 10:07 - Jul 24 with 1211 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

Proved wrong on what?


The scale of the impact of the referendum I suspect. There wasn't a recession. Apparently that's a sign that everyone was lying, despite the global upturn taking everyone by surprise, even those with nothing to do with the UK/EU/Brexit. Not that we're making the most of the global upturn of course, but that minor inconvenience can be swept under the carpet.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:25 - Jul 24 with 1199 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

Proved wrong on what?


Have you really forgotten or are you just acting daft 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 10:32 - Jul 24 with 1188 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 10:07 - Jul 24 by LeonWasGod

The scale of the impact of the referendum I suspect. There wasn't a recession. Apparently that's a sign that everyone was lying, despite the global upturn taking everyone by surprise, even those with nothing to do with the UK/EU/Brexit. Not that we're making the most of the global upturn of course, but that minor inconvenience can be swept under the carpet.


Keep on digging lol.
Nothing to do with the global state of things.
We were told a recession would occur just on a vote to leave the Eu.

Also did John major resign over his statements that it would be a disaster not to join the euro currency 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 10:47 - Jul 24 with 1167 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

Proved wrong on what?


Immediate emergency budget

30% House price crash

Mass unemployment

Stock market crash.

That is for starters the list is endless

You remoaners really are pathetic losers who still can not accept democracy.
But nevermind 248 days and you will have to accept reality and the majority of the country will be fecking loving it.

248 AFLI
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The Countdown begins. on 11:02 - Jul 24 with 1149 viewsShaky

Letter to the FT: Brexiters constantly tell us all will be fine. This is fanciful

From John Nelson, Chairman, Lloyd’s of London 2011-17

Never in over 50 years of working life have I seen the UK facing such an abject future, caused by the complete failure of our political establishment to govern, to communicate clearly with the public and, most importantly, to be honest with the electorate. We have many senior politicians who are seemingly consumed with their own ambition and vanity, with little regard for the best interests of the country.

It is clear that either a negotiated settlement along the lines of the Chequers agreement or an exit from the EU with no deal are both going to result in the UK becoming a much poorer and less influential country than anybody was led to believe during the appallingly conducted referendum campaign.

As a businessman, recently retired as chairman of Lloyd’s of London, I can see all too clearly the consequences for the economy, for employment and for the provision of basic services.

Apart from the effect on manufacturing industry and the services sector (the latter being sacrificed by the government on the altar of Brexit), there will be disruption to the provision of basic public services such as agriculture, healthcare and air transport.

We are constantly being told by the Brexiters it will all be fine. We will keep our sovereignty and we will be able to negotiate our own trade deals with ease. This is fanciful. Lloyd’s is the most global of all British institutions. Personal experience tells me that negotiating overseas rights is a long and painful process. If we are trying to do it as a small economy, the leverage we have is limited and far less than operating as a trade bloc, which is the EU. We would lose all the EU trading rights with third countries.

It is also worth remembering that 44 per cent of our trade is with the EU. The great majority of UK economy is in the services sector — financial services alone contribute 12 per cent of gross domestic product.

I agree with many of the warning comments made in recent weeks by many business leaders. But almost all of these comments are coming from overseas businesses. It is high time that UK business spoke up and galvanised the public to understand the true realities of what the country is facing. There also appears to be a silent majority of MPs from each of the major parties who seem terrified of putting their head above the parapet. They need to co-operate, or even coalesce, to provide the public with sensible government. The case for remaining in the EU needs to be restated and contrasted with the now much clearer alternative. Membership of the EU has drawbacks, but overall the benefits in terms of trade, security and fellowship overwhelm the narrow shortsighted nationalism espoused by those who wish to return to an Edwardian age.

Of course there needs to be a second referendum once the route we are pursuing becomes clear. That route will bear no resemblance to the picture painted by our politicians at the time of the first one.

John Nelson
Chairman, Lloyd’s of London 2011-17

https://www.ft.com/content/e415828e-8e8b-11e8-bb8f-a6a2f7bca546

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The Countdown begins. on 11:09 - Jul 24 with 1143 viewspeenemunde

3 million jobs will disappear that’s another scare story 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 11:18 - Jul 24 with 1130 viewspeenemunde

British people living in Spain will be forced to leave - another scare story 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 11:19 - Jul 24 with 1129 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 23:43 - Jul 23 by the_oracle

A few cut and pastes.
Commission proposes, the other institutions make the law. We ( UK) gets what it wants most of the time.

from the EU Council- The UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 period and 86.7% of the time in the 2009-15 period.

Commission has only a limited role in EU law-making. It can decide some less important rules, and in general it is the only institution that can propose new laws, but it doesn’t have the power to pass them on its own.The authority to make law belongs to the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union. Commission proposal only becomes an EU law when it attracts the support of two majorities. It needs both a majority in the Council, representing at least 55% of EU countries and 65% of the EU population, and a majority in the Parliament.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-brussels-bureaucrats/

And in what way is my vote more democratic at home?. I vote in a Labour stronghold. What ever candidate I vote for I will get a Labour Mp, the same if you vote somewhere like Ribble valley you will get a Tory. the only votes that really count are those in marginals.


No the UK doesn't get what it wants and the British MEPs are being routinely defeated in bids to block legislation in the European Parliament. https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-or-not-britains-already-isolated-in-bruss

"Commission has only a limited role in EU law-making"
Most legislation needs to be proposed by the European Commission and approved by the Council of the European Union in order to become law.

Such laws are presented to the European Parliament only at the discretion of the European Commission. A new law is only presented for an up or down vote in a set-up where there is virtually no debate – MEPs are allowed to speak for at most one minute per person. As the actual EU legislative history shows, this ‘parliamentary ratification’ amounts to nothing more than the proverbial rubber stamp.

Once EU laws are approved by the Council of Ministers and become European Law, they are presented to the British and other national parliaments. Here they can be debated them and a note made of certain provisions. However, the only effective response an elected parliament may have is to invoke its ‘national veto’.

Originally a ‘national veto’ was supposed to guarantee the sovereignty of each EU member state but it is virtually never used, it has become obsolete. In fact even this measure will be lost forever in 2017 when new EU provisions are scheduled to revoke the veto power of individual states altogether. https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630

The EU superseding the national laws and even the Constitutions of member nations. British and other national Courts are required to follow EU law unquestioningly, without the option to declare it ‘unconstitutional’ as can be done with domestic laws.

BTW, MEPs are nominated by political parties in various European countries, so they are not elected directly by voters. Not always realised is that EU parliamentary elections only decide how many seats will be allotted to each party. The actual choice of the MEPs is entirely up to the party, not the voters. This naturally means that (except for UKIP in Britain and a few other anti-EU parties) MEPs are generally lackeys of the EU.

You can give me a link to Full Fact all you like. It is a biased pro-EU organization.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:36 - Jul 24 with 1098 viewspeenemunde

Human rights would disappear - another scare story 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 11:53 - Jul 24 with 1081 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:47 - Jul 24 by pikeypaul

Immediate emergency budget

30% House price crash

Mass unemployment

Stock market crash.

That is for starters the list is endless

You remoaners really are pathetic losers who still can not accept democracy.
But nevermind 248 days and you will have to accept reality and the majority of the country will be fecking loving it.

248 AFLI
[Post edited 24 Jul 11:00]


Well we haven't left yet....

UK GDP has shrunk by 2%

Mark Carney also had to cut interest rates after the vote to stop a recession

and we have businesses preparing to leave if we go for a hard brexit (outside of customs union)

One other thing, predictions not being spot on is not the same thing as bare faced lies;-

- Brexit will be good for the economy
- Turkey scheduled to join the EU in 2020 and we can't stop them joining
- We're liable to pay Eurozone bailouts (Italy, Greece, Portugal etc.)
- EU law is adopted by unelected bureaucrats
- We're giving £350m to the EU every week which can be spent on the NHS
- We'll immediately stop giving money to the EU, EU owes us money
- Health tourism costs us billions
- We can't control our borders within the EU
- EU needs UK trade more than UK needs EU trade
- Irish Border will be unaffected by Brexit
- Can't deport EU criminals
- We have no veto on future treaty change or integration
- Immigrants come here to sponge off our benefits
- Student visas are used to come and stay illegally
- We'll have the same benefits outside of the EU
- 60-70% of our laws come from the EU

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The Countdown begins. on 11:56 - Jul 24 with 1080 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 11:53 - Jul 24 by Batterseajack

Well we haven't left yet....

UK GDP has shrunk by 2%

Mark Carney also had to cut interest rates after the vote to stop a recession

and we have businesses preparing to leave if we go for a hard brexit (outside of customs union)

One other thing, predictions not being spot on is not the same thing as bare faced lies;-

- Brexit will be good for the economy
- Turkey scheduled to join the EU in 2020 and we can't stop them joining
- We're liable to pay Eurozone bailouts (Italy, Greece, Portugal etc.)
- EU law is adopted by unelected bureaucrats
- We're giving £350m to the EU every week which can be spent on the NHS
- We'll immediately stop giving money to the EU, EU owes us money
- Health tourism costs us billions
- We can't control our borders within the EU
- EU needs UK trade more than UK needs EU trade
- Irish Border will be unaffected by Brexit
- Can't deport EU criminals
- We have no veto on future treaty change or integration
- Immigrants come here to sponge off our benefits
- Student visas are used to come and stay illegally
- We'll have the same benefits outside of the EU
- 60-70% of our laws come from the EU

[Post edited 24 Jul 11:55]


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Keep digging.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:04 - Jul 24 with 1075 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Jul 24 by pikeypaul

Have the project fear remoaners resigned having already been proven wrong?

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Not exactly true that. Let's take a look at the original Treasury forecasts that received the propaganda handle Project Fear.

No -- That shock would push our economy into a recession
No -- lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000 (emplyment linked to GBP)
Partially true -- GDP 3.6% smaller (UK at the bottom of the growth tables)
Yes: average real wages would be lower
Yes - inflation higher (absolutely right)
Yes: sterling weaker (much weaker)
Yes: house prices would be hit (London & SE prices falling)
Yes: public borrowing would rise (a simple function of GDP decline)

So, five and a half 'project fear' claims true, with the economy clearly stalling, and the UK still in the single market.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Jul 24 with 1039 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 12:04 - Jul 24 by Shaky

Not exactly true that. Let's take a look at the original Treasury forecasts that received the propaganda handle Project Fear.

No -- That shock would push our economy into a recession
No -- lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000 (emplyment linked to GBP)
Partially true -- GDP 3.6% smaller (UK at the bottom of the growth tables)
Yes: average real wages would be lower
Yes - inflation higher (absolutely right)
Yes: sterling weaker (much weaker)
Yes: house prices would be hit (London & SE prices falling)
Yes: public borrowing would rise (a simple function of GDP decline)

So, five and a half 'project fear' claims true, with the economy clearly stalling, and the UK still in the single market.


Yes and none of that would have ever happened had we voted remain would it! Clown.

Public sector workers to receive biggest pay rise for 10 years it’s been revealed today. Don’t tell me, it would have been a lot more had we remained.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jul 24 with 1026 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Jul 24 by Jango

Yes and none of that would have ever happened had we voted remain would it! Clown.

Public sector workers to receive biggest pay rise for 10 years it’s been revealed today. Don’t tell me, it would have been a lot more had we remained.
[Post edited 24 Jul 12:58]


No it probably wouldn't have happened. Why would it?
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The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jul 24 with 1016 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Jul 24 by Jango

Yes and none of that would have ever happened had we voted remain would it! Clown.

Public sector workers to receive biggest pay rise for 10 years it’s been revealed today. Don’t tell me, it would have been a lot more had we remained.
[Post edited 24 Jul 12:58]


Nominal wage demands are going up because inflation is rising (as the Treasury predicted).

Inflation is rising in large part because the pound has tanked (as the Treasury predicted).

Try to pin the Brexit date on this chart, donkeys:


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The Countdown begins. on 13:34 - Jul 24 with 1000 viewsShaky


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The Countdown begins. on 14:02 - Jul 24 with 983 viewsJango

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Yet totally dismiss any experts that have anything positive to say.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:03 - Jul 24 with 981 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jul 24 by Shaky

Nominal wage demands are going up because inflation is rising (as the Treasury predicted).

Inflation is rising in large part because the pound has tanked (as the Treasury predicted).

Try to pin the Brexit date on this chart, donkeys:



Yet again a pointless chart. Come back 2 years after we’ve left and we’ll discuss the pattern of your graphs.
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