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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:19 - Aug 6 with 664 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 10:05 - Aug 6 by Batterseajack

This thread is definitely worth a read. The crux of it is that the UK has by far the widest disparity between rich and poor within the EU, yet the the EU is somehow blamed for this when voting leave. Why doesn't this occur in other EU counties? And will the poor be better off when we're outside? This country is on a hiding to nothing with the rent seekers in charge.





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The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 with 634 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 10:05 - Aug 6 by Batterseajack

This thread is definitely worth a read. The crux of it is that the UK has by far the widest disparity between rich and poor within the EU, yet the the EU is somehow blamed for this when voting leave. Why doesn't this occur in other EU counties? And will the poor be better off when we're outside? This country is on a hiding to nothing with the rent seekers in charge.





It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.

That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?
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The Countdown begins. on 12:05 - Aug 6 with 595 viewssherpajacob

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-we-lost-the-brexit-vote-former-uk-prime-mini

An Tory insider view of Cameron’s mother of all feck ups.

“Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany.
Finally, as we tried to argue that the U.K. faced a unique set of circumstances, which required a fundamental redraft of the relevant European rules, we struggled to provide evidence to support our case.
We tried using absolute numbers: three million migrants likely to come over the next 10 years, 6 percent of Lithuania’s population living in the U.K. already. We highlighted the pressure on public services like schools and hospitals. And we appealed to European leaders to consider the impact of migratory flows on their own economies.
These arguments were quickly shot down. Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Or they called attention to the fact that European migrants paid more tax and used fewer public services than British citizens, which was true.
They noted that our economy was growing, that we were almost at full employment, and thus that migration was more or less inevitable. They showed us how our rate of financial distribution to the areas under pressure was much lower than, say, Germany’s, and concluded that we should just spend a lot more money addressing the challenges there.
We were never able to counter these arguments. To be honest, we failed to find any evidence of communities under pressure that would satisfy the European Commission. At one point we even asked the help of Andrew Green at MigrationWatch, an organization that has been critical of migration. But all he could provide was an article in the Daily Telegraph about a hospital maternity ward in Corby. There was no hard evidence.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:14 - Aug 6 with 584 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn

It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.

That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?


Excellent post.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:16 - Aug 6 with 579 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 12:05 - Aug 6 by sherpajacob

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-we-lost-the-brexit-vote-former-uk-prime-mini

An Tory insider view of Cameron’s mother of all feck ups.

“Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany.
Finally, as we tried to argue that the U.K. faced a unique set of circumstances, which required a fundamental redraft of the relevant European rules, we struggled to provide evidence to support our case.
We tried using absolute numbers: three million migrants likely to come over the next 10 years, 6 percent of Lithuania’s population living in the U.K. already. We highlighted the pressure on public services like schools and hospitals. And we appealed to European leaders to consider the impact of migratory flows on their own economies.
These arguments were quickly shot down. Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Or they called attention to the fact that European migrants paid more tax and used fewer public services than British citizens, which was true.
They noted that our economy was growing, that we were almost at full employment, and thus that migration was more or less inevitable. They showed us how our rate of financial distribution to the areas under pressure was much lower than, say, Germany’s, and concluded that we should just spend a lot more money addressing the challenges there.
We were never able to counter these arguments. To be honest, we failed to find any evidence of communities under pressure that would satisfy the European Commission. At one point we even asked the help of Andrew Green at MigrationWatch, an organization that has been critical of migration. But all he could provide was an article in the Daily Telegraph about a hospital maternity ward in Corby. There was no hard evidence.


Really interesting article. One of the more informative I've seen on the subject from someone working directly with Cameron. And refreshingly free of spin in either direction.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:53 - Aug 6 with 547 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn

It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.

That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?


"Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution?"

I think the Westminster power grab of devolved powers that the SNP object to, but Carwyn has waved through, answer this question.

I'm guessing it was rhetorical anyway.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Aug 6 with 534 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 12:53 - Aug 6 by sherpajacob

"Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution?"

I think the Westminster power grab of devolved powers that the SNP object to, but Carwyn has waved through, answer this question.

I'm guessing it was rhetorical anyway.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6931438/love-island-cancelled-brexit-jess-phillips


Getting desperate now.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:10 - Aug 6 with 532 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Aug 6 by Jango

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6931438/love-island-cancelled-brexit-jess-phillips


Getting desperate now.


Surely the prospect of love island getting cancelled is another reason to leave the EU immediately.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:09 - Aug 6 with 483 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Aug 6 by Jango

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6931438/love-island-cancelled-brexit-jess-phillips


Getting desperate now.


The pathetic remoaners have become totally insane with tbe level they are trying to take project fear.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:19 - Aug 6 with 452 viewsthe_oracle

The Countdown begins. on 10:19 - Aug 6 by peenemunde



Just read this on Twitter. Informative read.

Then we get the typical response from the Brexiter. Dullard.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:14 - Aug 6 with 423 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 17:19 - Aug 6 by the_oracle

Just read this on Twitter. Informative read.

Then we get the typical response from the Brexiter. Dullard.


Can any Brexiteer explain to me exactly how a Hard Brexit would benefit anybody at all? I'm talking material benefit here, not meaningless slogans such as "taking back control". And I don't mean in 50 years but within 5 years. I'm genuinely interested in the responses.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:47 - Aug 6 with 371 viewsKerouac


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The Countdown begins. on 06:02 - Aug 7 with 336 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:14 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn

Can any Brexiteer explain to me exactly how a Hard Brexit would benefit anybody at all? I'm talking material benefit here, not meaningless slogans such as "taking back control". And I don't mean in 50 years but within 5 years. I'm genuinely interested in the responses.


Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).

P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit.
Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:00 - Aug 7 with 316 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:28 - Aug 7 with 287 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 17:19 - Aug 6 by the_oracle

Just read this on Twitter. Informative read.

Then we get the typical response from the Brexiter. Dullard.


Because you posted a Remainer twitter obviously he's not going to take it seriously. Like how you wouldn't take any Leave twitter posts seriously.

Labour peer Lord Blunkett predicts that Britain would still vote to leave and insists Leave voters are not racist simply because they are concerned about mass migration.



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The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 with 272 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 06:02 - Aug 7 by peenemunde

Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).

P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit.
Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
[Post edited 7 Aug 6:20]


It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?

The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.

It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:45 - Aug 7 with 262 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:28 - Aug 7 by cwm02

Because you posted a Remainer twitter obviously he's not going to take it seriously. Like how you wouldn't take any Leave twitter posts seriously.

Labour peer Lord Blunkett predicts that Britain would still vote to leave and insists Leave voters are not racist simply because they are concerned about mass migration.



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Whats it with your lot and the love for empty slogans
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The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 with 259 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 09:45 - Aug 7 by Batterseajack

Whats it with your lot and the love for empty slogans


How are they "empty slogans"?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 with 259 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 by BytholWyn

It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?

The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.

It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.


Peenemunde is convinced that immigrants coming hear are taking from the same pie as us, and that the pie itself never gets any bigger.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:49 - Aug 7 with 247 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 by cwm02

How are they "empty slogans"?


Choose the sea FFS and JRM taking solely about the money paid into the EU as if that really matters.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:53 - Aug 7 with 238 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 by cwm02

How are they "empty slogans"?


Because the remoaners who have already accepted they do not believe in Democracy think their minority opinion is the only one that counts.

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Suck it up remoaners no deal is coming home and I fecking love it.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:57 - Aug 7 with 235 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 by Batterseajack

Peenemunde is convinced that immigrants coming hear are taking from the same pie as us, and that the pie itself never gets any bigger.


Of course the pie is getting bigger, unfortunately for the 'Remainers' it is a fact that what is causing our pie to get bigger is our trade with non-EU countries and the growth of our own internal domestic marketplace...
...and this process is only going to speed up with the situation in the EU as it is and the route they are proposing forward.


The EU no longer makes sense for us.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:58 - Aug 7 with 235 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 06:02 - Aug 7 by peenemunde

Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).

P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit.
Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
[Post edited 7 Aug 6:20]


Don't be so naive. There's a lot more to it than that. Train the youngsters? I think we've seen the direction that's going to go in with the Government exempting non-EU overseas nurses from the skilled migration cap. The government/NHS is deliberately seeking more overseas non-EU staff to replace the leaving EU staff.

If you think employers (big ones at least) are suddenly going to start paying over the odds you're in cloud cuckoo land.

Brexit is not the end to globalisation because the EU is not the cause of globalisation.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:01 - Aug 7 with 232 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 by cwm02

How are they "empty slogans"?


Because they're just empty straplines with absolutely nothing behind them.


Here you go I'll come up with one:

'Support Cardiff, it'll make your knob grow bigger!'


Easy see. And also complete rubbish (everyone knows it makes it shrink)
[Post edited 7 Aug 10:02]
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The Countdown begins. on 10:11 - Aug 7 with 221 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 by BytholWyn

It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?

The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.

It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.


Nobody is suggestions we don’t need immigration. Nobody whatsoever. That’s just a petty argument that remainers like to use. It’s about having controlled immigration where we take only the people we need from wherever in the world that may be. There was a job become available in care Home in gorseinon where my friend works. There was over 100 applications so to suggest that only immigrants want these jobs is a load of bollocks that you are fed and you just lap it up.
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