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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:32 - Aug 11 with 720 viewsexiledclaseboy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-tur

Tough shit, Swansea. Reap what you sow.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:51 - Aug 11 with 707 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 23:32 - Aug 11 by exiledclaseboy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-tur

Tough shit, Swansea. Reap what you sow.


Jack_Meoff is happy then with his crop...

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The Countdown begins. on 00:41 - Aug 12 with 687 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 23:32 - Aug 11 by exiledclaseboy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-tur

Tough shit, Swansea. Reap what you sow.


They certainly have with The WAG and devolution 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reap what you sow 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 07:58 - Aug 12 with 637 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:32 - Aug 11 by exiledclaseboy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-tur

Tough shit, Swansea. Reap what you sow.


Or ... these good people have the democratic right to change their minds.
Especially after being lied to.?

Lots of leavers have changed as the reality becomes obvious.

A peoples vote, or general election it is then.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:09 - Aug 12 with 633 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 07:58 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

Or ... these good people have the democratic right to change their minds.
Especially after being lied to.?

Lots of leavers have changed as the reality becomes obvious.

A peoples vote, or general election it is then.
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So are we going to have another referendum on Welsh devolution too ?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:45 - Aug 12 with 619 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

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The Countdown begins. on 11:56 - Aug 12 with 592 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 08:09 - Aug 12 by peenemunde

So are we going to have another referendum on Welsh devolution too ?


There have already been 3.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:47 - Aug 12 with 568 viewsjohnlangy

The Countdown begins. on 11:56 - Aug 12 by sherpajacob

There have already been 3.


And the vote was yes every time.

So definitely no going back whatever some odd people may want.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:50 - Aug 12 with 565 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 08:09 - Aug 12 by peenemunde

So are we going to have another referendum on Welsh devolution too ?


Had 3 already.

Only the new half wit AM in charge of UKIP might call for it ..?
All the others are pro Weksh Government.

Do you think the welsh people are uniquely unable to make their own decisions ?

Shirley the decisions that effect wales, should be made in wales, and by elected welsh people.
You know just like the rest of the world.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Aug 12 with 564 viewsLohengrin

The Countdown begins. on 12:50 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

Had 3 already.

Only the new half wit AM in charge of UKIP might call for it ..?
All the others are pro Weksh Government.

Do you think the welsh people are uniquely unable to make their own decisions ?

Shirley the decisions that effect wales, should be made in wales, and by elected welsh people.
You know just like the rest of the world.


The ONLY way subsidiarity can be ushered toward a workable transparency is on a non-party basis.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:28 - Aug 12 with 554 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 12:50 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

Had 3 already.

Only the new half wit AM in charge of UKIP might call for it ..?
All the others are pro Weksh Government.

Do you think the welsh people are uniquely unable to make their own decisions ?

Shirley the decisions that effect wales, should be made in wales, and by elected welsh people.
You know just like the rest of the world.


I completely agree with your last paragraph. Those decisions should be made here. So why do you contradict yourself by wanting to hand power to appointed, unelected, unaccountable mates of Theresa May in Brussels?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:38 - Aug 12 with 550 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 16:05 - Aug 12 with 525 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:28 - Aug 12 by Highjack

I completely agree with your last paragraph. Those decisions should be made here. So why do you contradict yourself by wanting to hand power to appointed, unelected, unaccountable mates of Theresa May in Brussels?


You have the very same conflict of course.
You support the English/british union, whilst opposing the democratically elected EU.
Remember Wales never voted for the UK union, whereas Wales did vote for the EU.

Wales so poor under UK that EU structural funding of developments.
London rule has failed Wales.
Think radio active mud dumped in Cardiff Bay, super prisons in Wales, whilst no rail electrification and no tidal lagoon.

Feck the Tory brexit.

‘Beware of the risen people’ ........🍀🇮🇪 💚 YesCymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

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The Countdown begins. on 16:15 - Aug 12 with 520 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:05 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

You have the very same conflict of course.
You support the English/british union, whilst opposing the democratically elected EU.
Remember Wales never voted for the UK union, whereas Wales did vote for the EU.

Wales so poor under UK that EU structural funding of developments.
London rule has failed Wales.
Think radio active mud dumped in Cardiff Bay, super prisons in Wales, whilst no rail electrification and no tidal lagoon.

Feck the Tory brexit.


When did Wales vote for the EU?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:00 - Aug 12 with 500 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:15 - Aug 12 by Highjack

When did Wales vote for the EU?


We have these things called general elections periodically.

Every one up until 2017 returned a majority of MPs and parties committed to the EU.

Parties opposed to the EU generally got no seats.

A significant number of Welsh MPs are still very much pro EU.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Aug 12 with 486 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:00 - Aug 12 by sherpajacob

We have these things called general elections periodically.

Every one up until 2017 returned a majority of MPs and parties committed to the EU.

Parties opposed to the EU generally got no seats.

A significant number of Welsh MPs are still very much pro EU.


It's not that simple.

Wales also voted for parties that voted for the Iraq War and the trail of destruction and millions dead and displaced that followed but I doubt you'd find a single Welsh person who would support that.

General Elections are never fought on a single issue and a vote for that party is not a endorsement of everything they have done or will do next.

Wales voted for Labour in the 70's when they used to be fiercely eurosceptic.

Wales voted for Labour in the 90's and 2000's when they became passionate europhiles

Wales voted for Labour in 2017 when they committed to leaving the European Union in their manifesto and have a lifelong Eurosceptic leader who has campaigned and voted against every European treaty since 1983.

The findings of this study suggests Wales votes Labour regardless of their stance on Europe.

Wales has never voted for the EU.

Wales has however voted to leave the EU.

It could not be more simple.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Aug 12 with 477 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Aug 12 by Highjack

It's not that simple.

Wales also voted for parties that voted for the Iraq War and the trail of destruction and millions dead and displaced that followed but I doubt you'd find a single Welsh person who would support that.

General Elections are never fought on a single issue and a vote for that party is not a endorsement of everything they have done or will do next.

Wales voted for Labour in the 70's when they used to be fiercely eurosceptic.

Wales voted for Labour in the 90's and 2000's when they became passionate europhiles

Wales voted for Labour in 2017 when they committed to leaving the European Union in their manifesto and have a lifelong Eurosceptic leader who has campaigned and voted against every European treaty since 1983.

The findings of this study suggests Wales votes Labour regardless of their stance on Europe.

Wales has never voted for the EU.

Wales has however voted to leave the EU.

It could not be more simple.


It is simple.

UK joined the EU in 1973 via a vote. Fact
Wales has never ever joined the UK via a vote. Fact.

I take your point though.
If the EU had invaded Wales,killed our leaders, built castles of oppression, and beat our children for speaking the own language in their local schools ....then it would be exactly the same.

Feck the Tory Brexit.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:54 - Aug 12 with 471 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

It is simple.

UK joined the EU in 1973 via a vote. Fact
Wales has never ever joined the UK via a vote. Fact.

I take your point though.
If the EU had invaded Wales,killed our leaders, built castles of oppression, and beat our children for speaking the own language in their local schools ....then it would be exactly the same.

Feck the Tory Brexit.


There was no referendum in 1973 when the U.K. joined the EEC. There was one in 1975 about whether we should stay in or not.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:17 - Aug 12 with 456 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

It is simple.

UK joined the EU in 1973 via a vote. Fact
Wales has never ever joined the UK via a vote. Fact.

I take your point though.
If the EU had invaded Wales,killed our leaders, built castles of oppression, and beat our children for speaking the own language in their local schools ....then it would be exactly the same.

Feck the Tory Brexit.


The EU didn’t exist in the seventies fact. it was just a trading community with other rules about coal and atomic cooperation. Fact.

England never joined the U.K. via a vote either.. Fact.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:45 - Aug 12 with 451 viewsjohnlangy

The Countdown begins. on 16:05 - Aug 12 by Kilkennyjack

You have the very same conflict of course.
You support the English/british union, whilst opposing the democratically elected EU.
Remember Wales never voted for the UK union, whereas Wales did vote for the EU.

Wales so poor under UK that EU structural funding of developments.
London rule has failed Wales.
Think radio active mud dumped in Cardiff Bay, super prisons in Wales, whilst no rail electrification and no tidal lagoon.

Feck the Tory brexit.


Mustn't forget of course the entirely unelected House of Lords.

Brexiters moan and groan about the EU not being democratic but I don't hear them calling for the abolition of that place.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:48 - Aug 12 with 447 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:45 - Aug 12 by johnlangy

Mustn't forget of course the entirely unelected House of Lords.

Brexiters moan and groan about the EU not being democratic but I don't hear them calling for the abolition of that place.


I have lots of times.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:54 - Aug 12 with 444 viewsjohnlangy

The Countdown begins. on 18:48 - Aug 12 by Highjack

I have lots of times.


Consider my hand smacked .
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The Countdown begins. on 20:11 - Aug 12 with 418 viewsBatterseajack

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The Countdown begins. on 20:51 - Aug 12 with 402 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 18:54 - Aug 12 by johnlangy

Consider my hand smacked .


Me too.

Have been calling for the abolition of the Lords for at least 20 years now...and Proportional Representation.
The current establishment stitch up is designed to deny change.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:39 - Aug 12 with 374 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:51 - Aug 12 by Kerouac

Me too.

Have been calling for the abolition of the Lords for at least 20 years now...and Proportional Representation.
The current establishment stitch up is designed to deny change.


Save £198m per year if it was closed.

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