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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Sep 3 with 593 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Aug 31 by Catullus

All the Per Capita figures show is how much money the 1% have made. The rest of us aren't so much better off, relatively speaking. The rich have a greater share of world wealth than ever before and for those who hadn't spotted it, the EU is a big friend to corporate greed. Why do you think the EU is against nationalised industry, to make a level playing field or to allow the rich to gobble up all the lucrative business and keep it for themselves? Since privatisations started, how many people have noticed competition driving prices down? Again, people are busy blaming the tories, the big bad blues bunch, but they were just guilty of doing what the UK has always done, following every directive, obeying every rule when other country's have cherry picked until recently. Then try notiicing how many of our utilities are owned by foreign companies and charging us more for the same product. Even holidays, book a holiday from a UK IP address and then the same holiday from a German IP and the German booking will be cheaper.


Eh? You’re saying that privatisation and the market economy is all driven by the EU and the Tories just happened to go along with it? That’s an ‘interesting’ take on things!
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The Countdown begins. on 08:47 - Sep 4 with 524 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 13:57 - Sep 4 with 492 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Sep 3 by LeonWasGod

Eh? You’re saying that privatisation and the market economy is all driven by the EU and the Tories just happened to go along with it? That’s an ‘interesting’ take on things!


No, the free markey economy was around before the EU. I'm saying EU rules don't allow for nationalised industries or state aid for private business and the British governments/civil servants followed the rules stringently or in some cases (where there was money to be made) enthusiastically.
I said British because obviously Tony Blairs government was part of the privatisation drive and todays Labour supporters don't consider Blair was Labour!
As I've said, look at the privatised sectors, Gas, Water, Electricity, Royal Mail and has it made anything cheaper? We were told it would. Then ask who's making all the money because the UK lost a fortune in income which now goes to private shareholders of whom a tiny percentage own the vast majority of shares.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:55 - Sep 4 with 483 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 13:57 - Sep 4 by Catullus

No, the free markey economy was around before the EU. I'm saying EU rules don't allow for nationalised industries or state aid for private business and the British governments/civil servants followed the rules stringently or in some cases (where there was money to be made) enthusiastically.
I said British because obviously Tony Blairs government was part of the privatisation drive and todays Labour supporters don't consider Blair was Labour!
As I've said, look at the privatised sectors, Gas, Water, Electricity, Royal Mail and has it made anything cheaper? We were told it would. Then ask who's making all the money because the UK lost a fortune in income which now goes to private shareholders of whom a tiny percentage own the vast majority of shares.


I certainly agree with that bit about privatisation not making anything cheaper. If the driving force is always to pay shareholders there's no interest in giving consumers a better deal than you absolutely have to. And not only is the income going to a minority - it's often going to overseas investors.

The other bugbear is that competition doesn't automatically make stuff cheaper or more convenient either. Take Sky sports. You used to be able to get all the footie in one place for one fee. Now you need Sky, BT and whatever else to watch all matches. And the fees for each provider don't come down.

State aid is a pain, but I don't think it's stops public ownership of companies does it?. Other EU countries have some nationalised services or the state as part-owners of some businesses. (Whether we could re-nationalise companies under EU law I've no idea).
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The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Sep 5 with 414 viewsWarwickHunt

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/dominic-raab-reduced-to-the-low
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The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Sep 5 with 402 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Sep 5 by WarwickHunt

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/dominic-raab-reduced-to-the-low


Yeah it's funny, possibly closer to the truth than I'd like but it's the Guardian which is to the left what the Daily Mail is to the right.
We are much closer to a no deal than anything else because the EU aren't shifting on their red lines and we haven't got much else in the way of red lines to cross!

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The Countdown begins. on 10:03 - Sep 5 with 397 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 14:55 - Sep 4 by LeonWasGod

I certainly agree with that bit about privatisation not making anything cheaper. If the driving force is always to pay shareholders there's no interest in giving consumers a better deal than you absolutely have to. And not only is the income going to a minority - it's often going to overseas investors.

The other bugbear is that competition doesn't automatically make stuff cheaper or more convenient either. Take Sky sports. You used to be able to get all the footie in one place for one fee. Now you need Sky, BT and whatever else to watch all matches. And the fees for each provider don't come down.

State aid is a pain, but I don't think it's stops public ownership of companies does it?. Other EU countries have some nationalised services or the state as part-owners of some businesses. (Whether we could re-nationalise companies under EU law I've no idea).


http://theconversation.com/fact-check-do-new-eu-rules-make-it-impossible-to-rena

EU law doesn't directly say you have to privatise, or rule out renationalising but is set up for liberalisation of the markets to "encourage competition" and like I said, the UK has gone down this road willingly whereas other EU states have not. Our own governments have screwed us over on this.
Royal Mail used to return hundreds of millions of profit, Tony Blairs government took over a billion from Rpyal Mail in 3 years. The end result was no investment in infrastructure and RM being plunged into disaster. Brown raided the pension fund too. Net result, the government now runs the pension scheme though they are farming it out to Capita soon, but it is still the government who pays! Private shareholders are making money instead of the country now and the price of stamps has rocketed from 28p for a first class in 2008 to 65p now and a second class is 56p.
My tv bill is massively more than it was because, like you say we need to pay more than one provider for the full coverage we used to get for the license fee.
I can't blame the EU entirely for it, it was our own politicians and civil servants who screwed us the most but without EU membership, would it still have happened? Would the public have stood for such blatant profiteering. The EU was/is an easy scapegoat for the elites though in the end saying it was the EU rules has ended up with the referendum result none of them wanted. It's why Blair would never give us a referendum.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:23 - Sep 5 with 366 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 10:03 - Sep 5 by Catullus

http://theconversation.com/fact-check-do-new-eu-rules-make-it-impossible-to-rena

EU law doesn't directly say you have to privatise, or rule out renationalising but is set up for liberalisation of the markets to "encourage competition" and like I said, the UK has gone down this road willingly whereas other EU states have not. Our own governments have screwed us over on this.
Royal Mail used to return hundreds of millions of profit, Tony Blairs government took over a billion from Rpyal Mail in 3 years. The end result was no investment in infrastructure and RM being plunged into disaster. Brown raided the pension fund too. Net result, the government now runs the pension scheme though they are farming it out to Capita soon, but it is still the government who pays! Private shareholders are making money instead of the country now and the price of stamps has rocketed from 28p for a first class in 2008 to 65p now and a second class is 56p.
My tv bill is massively more than it was because, like you say we need to pay more than one provider for the full coverage we used to get for the license fee.
I can't blame the EU entirely for it, it was our own politicians and civil servants who screwed us the most but without EU membership, would it still have happened? Would the public have stood for such blatant profiteering. The EU was/is an easy scapegoat for the elites though in the end saying it was the EU rules has ended up with the referendum result none of them wanted. It's why Blair would never give us a referendum.


Postal services all over the world are in crisis because nobody is sending post anymore.

People are using email and packages are being sent by Amazon's own network. Who could have known?

Regardless it must be all the EU's fault

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The Countdown begins. on 12:33 - Sep 5 with 363 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Hurtling to a no deal

Facking useless bunch of c@nts

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The Countdown begins. on 13:36 - Sep 5 with 346 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:23 - Sep 5 by Shaky

Postal services all over the world are in crisis because nobody is sending post anymore.

People are using email and packages are being sent by Amazon's own network. Who could have known?

Regardless it must be all the EU's fault


I really tried, but I've given up trying to understand and follow Catallus' logic and arguments.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:42 - Sep 5 with 344 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:33 - Sep 5 by oh_tommy_tommy

Hurtling to a no deal

Facking useless bunch of c@nts


Merv King coming out today blaming the Government for trying to implement something he thought and argued was a good idea. Trouble is Merv, your land of milk and honey Brexit relied on a miscalculated belief that the EU would jeopardise its own future in allowing the UK to have special dispensation on its 4 freedoms. When will the likes of him put their hands up and acknowledge that their version of Brexit was undeliverable.

Options are;
No Deal
Canada type arrangement
Norway type arrangaement

Cake and eat it Brexit was never on the table.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:13 - Sep 5 with 325 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:42 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

Merv King coming out today blaming the Government for trying to implement something he thought and argued was a good idea. Trouble is Merv, your land of milk and honey Brexit relied on a miscalculated belief that the EU would jeopardise its own future in allowing the UK to have special dispensation on its 4 freedoms. When will the likes of him put their hands up and acknowledge that their version of Brexit was undeliverable.

Options are;
No Deal
Canada type arrangement
Norway type arrangaement

Cake and eat it Brexit was never on the table.


Which is why we should have left two years ago. These ‘negotiations’ are and always have been a complete and utter waste of time.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Sep 5 with 325 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 12:23 - Sep 5 by Shaky

Postal services all over the world are in crisis because nobody is sending post anymore.

People are using email and packages are being sent by Amazon's own network. Who could have known?

Regardless it must be all the EU's fault


Ah but letter services are in meltdown. Royal mail still carries millions of letters but has set up to carry millions more parcels. The parcels business is huge because of online sales. Then there's so called direct mail (door 2 door leaflets) or marketing/junk mail which Royal Mail delivers every day now. I get a leaflet of some type every day, sometimes 2/3.
Last years pre tax profits were £335 million, up 25% on a parcels rise of 3% while letters fell by 6%
Royal Mail income last year was 9.8 billion. Is that in your end of the spectrum?

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The Countdown begins. on 14:21 - Sep 5 with 318 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Sep 5 by Catullus

Ah but letter services are in meltdown. Royal mail still carries millions of letters but has set up to carry millions more parcels. The parcels business is huge because of online sales. Then there's so called direct mail (door 2 door leaflets) or marketing/junk mail which Royal Mail delivers every day now. I get a leaflet of some type every day, sometimes 2/3.
Last years pre tax profits were £335 million, up 25% on a parcels rise of 3% while letters fell by 6%
Royal Mail income last year was 9.8 billion. Is that in your end of the spectrum?


You misunderstood my post. My speciality is corporate finance like arranging share sales, and that sort of thing. Not arranging overdrafts at the local branch of Barclays.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Sep 5 with 312 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 14:13 - Sep 5 by Highjack

Which is why we should have left two years ago. These ‘negotiations’ are and always have been a complete and utter waste of time.


Like just left on a no deal straight after the ref? That would be economic and political suicide and not a sensible option.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:31 - Sep 5 with 309 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 13:36 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

I really tried, but I've given up trying to understand and follow Catallus' logic and arguments.


It's really not that difficult......privatisations were sold as a way of bringing competition and lower prices but prices have shot up in excess of inflation.
British governments have slavishly obeyed EU diktats when other EU states have cherry picked what they follow.
Profits that were income to the UK treasury are now share dividends for the very rich few who own most of the shares.
Royal Mail was trashed and sold by Blair and now large chunks of change go in dividends to the rich rather than to the treasury.......
Which of that is hard to follow? You could try making an argument against it.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:38 - Sep 5 with 301 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 14:31 - Sep 5 by Catullus

It's really not that difficult......privatisations were sold as a way of bringing competition and lower prices but prices have shot up in excess of inflation.
British governments have slavishly obeyed EU diktats when other EU states have cherry picked what they follow.
Profits that were income to the UK treasury are now share dividends for the very rich few who own most of the shares.
Royal Mail was trashed and sold by Blair and now large chunks of change go in dividends to the rich rather than to the treasury.......
Which of that is hard to follow? You could try making an argument against it.


Sorry, not going to argue with any of that. I think i wrongly presumed you were using this as an argument for us needing to leave the EU.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:01 - Sep 5 with 281 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

Like just left on a no deal straight after the ref? That would be economic and political suicide and not a sensible option.


The EU were never going to give us a good deal. Why should they? A good deal for us would mean every other country clamouring to leave. Both sides unwilling to compromise on various principles which is their right. Negotiations are pointless without compromise.

Therefore from the very start there’s only been two possible outcomes. No deal brexit or a complete overturn of the referendum result or a brexit in name only which is May’s preferred option via the chequers agreement.

This negotiation period has just been designed for them to drag it out as long as possible and make it seem as difficult as possible and fire as many terrifying scare stories at them as possible in attempt to influence the electorate into changing their minds and accept to remain so when the government eventually goes beep beep beep into reverse mode they can get away with it and the direction of travel will be the same.

They’re all in it together. I still don’t think we’ll ever be allowed to leave.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:30 - Sep 5 with 267 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 15:01 - Sep 5 by Highjack

The EU were never going to give us a good deal. Why should they? A good deal for us would mean every other country clamouring to leave. Both sides unwilling to compromise on various principles which is their right. Negotiations are pointless without compromise.

Therefore from the very start there’s only been two possible outcomes. No deal brexit or a complete overturn of the referendum result or a brexit in name only which is May’s preferred option via the chequers agreement.

This negotiation period has just been designed for them to drag it out as long as possible and make it seem as difficult as possible and fire as many terrifying scare stories at them as possible in attempt to influence the electorate into changing their minds and accept to remain so when the government eventually goes beep beep beep into reverse mode they can get away with it and the direction of travel will be the same.

They’re all in it together. I still don’t think we’ll ever be allowed to leave.


Of course we'd be allowed to leave, but we'll have to give up our membership perks on the way out.

But team leave didn't campaign for a no deal Brexit, they would never have won had they done.

If i recall correctly;
+ we held all the cards
+ German car manufacturers would beg the EU to give us a deal
+ There wouldn't be a border in the island of Ireland
+ It would be the easiest deal in history
+ Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market
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The Countdown begins. on 15:48 - Sep 5 with 259 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 15:30 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

Of course we'd be allowed to leave, but we'll have to give up our membership perks on the way out.

But team leave didn't campaign for a no deal Brexit, they would never have won had they done.

If i recall correctly;
+ we held all the cards
+ German car manufacturers would beg the EU to give us a deal
+ There wouldn't be a border in the island of Ireland
+ It would be the easiest deal in history
+ Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market


We won’t be allowed to leave. I’m predicting it now. Brexit won’t happen.

If there’s one thing that’s become blatantly obvious over the past decade or maybe longer is it doesn’t matter which way we vote it doesn’t matter who’s in charge, the primary role of government is to do whatever the markets (praise be into them) want us to do.

Remember: “The markets will teach the people to vote the right way.” The mask has slipped. Change is impossible. Democracy is dead. We are living in a dictatorship.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:02 - Sep 5 with 246 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 15:48 - Sep 5 by Highjack

We won’t be allowed to leave. I’m predicting it now. Brexit won’t happen.

If there’s one thing that’s become blatantly obvious over the past decade or maybe longer is it doesn’t matter which way we vote it doesn’t matter who’s in charge, the primary role of government is to do whatever the markets (praise be into them) want us to do.

Remember: “The markets will teach the people to vote the right way.” The mask has slipped. Change is impossible. Democracy is dead. We are living in a dictatorship.


Well i don't think the majority of the voting public voted with the intention of us being poorer.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:09 - Sep 5 with 241 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:02 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

Well i don't think the majority of the voting public voted with the intention of us being poorer.


No they voted to leave the European Union which angered the markets and now we must repent and appease the markets (praise be upon them) or the markets will strike us down in their divine righteous anger. They will bring plague and pestilence upon us. Strike us down with illness and poverty. Maybe a flood or a swarm of locusts who knows?

It’s the only way. We must change our minds. Markets are our God now.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:13 - Sep 5 with 208 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 16:02 - Sep 5 by Batterseajack

Well i don't think the majority of the voting public voted with the intention of us being poorer.


That is an oft trotted out line from remainers. They say we didn't vote to be poorer, we didn't vote for hard brexit.......we voted to leave whatever that meant.
It's not for a remainer to decide why someone voted leave or why they would change their mind, that decision can only be made by another vote or do remainers think they know what 17.6 million other people are thinking?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:21 - Sep 5 with 200 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:09 - Sep 5 by Highjack

No they voted to leave the European Union which angered the markets and now we must repent and appease the markets (praise be upon them) or the markets will strike us down in their divine righteous anger. They will bring plague and pestilence upon us. Strike us down with illness and poverty. Maybe a flood or a swarm of locusts who knows?

It’s the only way. We must change our minds. Markets are our God now.


Merkel doesn’t normally think so. She was in Frankfurt talking to the bankers at a big do for the first time in three years last night. She was making a case for the transfer of Euro clearing market to Frankfurt from London after Brexit. Worth billions apparently. Still the car industry and high tech companies receive much more attention normally. It’s the UK that’s a one trick pony.
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