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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:26 - Sep 8 with 795 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Sep 8 by Catullus

These people/posters love the EU, can't they see what it's doing? Look at Sweden, the most liberal country in Europe is being driven to the right by the EU. Tommorrow, for the first time since 1917 the social democrats may not be the biggest party and the right wing National Swedish Democrats may become part of the government. The NSD were once considered pro Nazi, fascist and white supremacists.
If Sweden can be driven to this, why do people here still think the EU is so great?


Sweden is a sovereign state. What on earth has it got to do with the EU ? The rest of your post is accurate.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:01 - Sep 8 with 736 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 20:26 - Sep 8 by longlostjack

Sweden is a sovereign state. What on earth has it got to do with the EU ? The rest of your post is accurate.


The right wing are getting very popular on the back of immigration and rising crime, they blame the EU's open borders.
Since 2015 rape has risen with 60% of convicted rapists being born outside the country and 40% having been there less than a year. Violent crime, gang shootings and organised "mass car burnings" have been rising too. Rightly or wrongly the right are blaming immigration and gaining traction, tommorrow will be a big day because SD are saying they'd have a referendum on the EU.
Those figures may not be completely accurate because they came from an SD interview.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:25 - Sep 8 with 726 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 22:01 - Sep 8 by Catullus

The right wing are getting very popular on the back of immigration and rising crime, they blame the EU's open borders.
Since 2015 rape has risen with 60% of convicted rapists being born outside the country and 40% having been there less than a year. Violent crime, gang shootings and organised "mass car burnings" have been rising too. Rightly or wrongly the right are blaming immigration and gaining traction, tommorrow will be a big day because SD are saying they'd have a referendum on the EU.
Those figures may not be completely accurate because they came from an SD interview.


Not sure of those figures either but what is certainly true is that a fair few Swedes have had enough of gun crime etc. and the established parties have ignored them for too long. Ironic really because the economy is doing really well and it has a brilliant welfare state far superior to the UK. I think a lot of Swedes rightly or wrongly see that structure being threatened/ abused. Complicated stuff. As for referendum on membership even the SD are split on that. Can’t see it happening.
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The Countdown begins. on 01:01 - Sep 9 with 699 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 07:25 - Sep 9 with 664 viewsBatterseajack

Not even Moggs heckle group the ERG can produce a credible alternative plan for Brexit, because they can’t even agree amongst themselves, and less prepared to make it available for public scrutiny because it no doubt involves massive amount of self harm. You can blame Cameron all you want for holding the red, but he kind of had to and was elected on the basis that he would hold one. But the onus on coming up with a plan lays with those who campaigned for this poontless folly.

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The Countdown begins. on 08:48 - Sep 9 with 637 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 07:25 - Sep 9 by Batterseajack

Not even Moggs heckle group the ERG can produce a credible alternative plan for Brexit, because they can’t even agree amongst themselves, and less prepared to make it available for public scrutiny because it no doubt involves massive amount of self harm. You can blame Cameron all you want for holding the red, but he kind of had to and was elected on the basis that he would hold one. But the onus on coming up with a plan lays with those who campaigned for this poontless folly.

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It's not all I need to know, what newspaper is it? If it's the Guardian or independent it's worth about as much notice as the Daily Mail or Express.

Harking back to previos posts, why is it the attitude amongst too many remainers that everything good we have comes from the EU but that everything bad that happens inevitably is down to the Sovereign state and nothing to do with the EU?
The truth is somewhere in the middle, from my perspective it's that the EU has too much bad to continue in it hence the massive lurch to the right across Europe but why is there this propensity (especially amongst the young) to see the EU through rose tinted glasses?

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The Countdown begins. on 08:49 - Sep 9 with 637 viewspikeypaul

No deal is coming home and that is what the Brexiters want.

No deal is better than a bad and that’s what’s planned.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:53 - Sep 9 with 623 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 22:25 - Sep 8 by longlostjack

Not sure of those figures either but what is certainly true is that a fair few Swedes have had enough of gun crime etc. and the established parties have ignored them for too long. Ironic really because the economy is doing really well and it has a brilliant welfare state far superior to the UK. I think a lot of Swedes rightly or wrongly see that structure being threatened/ abused. Complicated stuff. As for referendum on membership even the SD are split on that. Can’t see it happening.
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In layman’s terms “Sweden used to be a very safe country to live in, now its becoming a shite hole”.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:02 - Sep 9 with 615 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 09:53 - Sep 9 by peenemunde

In layman’s terms “Sweden used to be a very safe country to live in, now its becoming a shite hole”.


Nonsense.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:06 - Sep 9 with 612 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 22:25 - Sep 8 by longlostjack

Not sure of those figures either but what is certainly true is that a fair few Swedes have had enough of gun crime etc. and the established parties have ignored them for too long. Ironic really because the economy is doing really well and it has a brilliant welfare state far superior to the UK. I think a lot of Swedes rightly or wrongly see that structure being threatened/ abused. Complicated stuff. As for referendum on membership even the SD are split on that. Can’t see it happening.
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Swedens welfare state is built on a high tax regime, would the UK stand for high taxes if it meant a world class NHS, a better welfare system and good social care?
The SD may or may not have a referendum, it might just be a threat to make their government and the EU pay attention, maybe negotiate better terms such as stronger immigration controls. It happened in Germany, Merkel had to back down from AfD threats. Whatever the reason, it's worrying that so many millions across Europe have lurched to the right, it's not just the UK that's divided.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:09 - Sep 9 with 606 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 10:02 - Sep 9 by longlostjack

Nonsense.


I think John Haywood had people like you in mind when he first ushered his proverb.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Sep 9 with 581 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 10:06 - Sep 9 by Catullus

Swedens welfare state is built on a high tax regime, would the UK stand for high taxes if it meant a world class NHS, a better welfare system and good social care?
The SD may or may not have a referendum, it might just be a threat to make their government and the EU pay attention, maybe negotiate better terms such as stronger immigration controls. It happened in Germany, Merkel had to back down from AfD threats. Whatever the reason, it's worrying that so many millions across Europe have lurched to the right, it's not just the UK that's divided.


Could you imagine all these leftie remoaners if Theresa came out tomorrow and announced a 3p rise on income tax?

They whinge and cry about anything and everything but are not prepared to pay for anything.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:48 - Sep 9 with 573 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 08:48 - Sep 9 by Catullus

It's not all I need to know, what newspaper is it? If it's the Guardian or independent it's worth about as much notice as the Daily Mail or Express.

Harking back to previos posts, why is it the attitude amongst too many remainers that everything good we have comes from the EU but that everything bad that happens inevitably is down to the Sovereign state and nothing to do with the EU?
The truth is somewhere in the middle, from my perspective it's that the EU has too much bad to continue in it hence the massive lurch to the right across Europe but why is there this propensity (especially amongst the young) to see the EU through rose tinted glasses?


The times, that famous remained paper, is reporting on it.

Who ever said that everything good is from the EU and everything bad is UK? Making up stuff now. I’ve heard many remoaners on here say that it isn’t perfect. It’s a perfectly ok to criticise the EU but still think it’s bettee to Remain in it, where we get to influence it and have a bigger presence on the global stage.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:48 - Sep 9 with 573 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:06 - Sep 9 by Catullus

Swedens welfare state is built on a high tax regime, would the UK stand for high taxes if it meant a world class NHS, a better welfare system and good social care?
The SD may or may not have a referendum, it might just be a threat to make their government and the EU pay attention, maybe negotiate better terms such as stronger immigration controls. It happened in Germany, Merkel had to back down from AfD threats. Whatever the reason, it's worrying that so many millions across Europe have lurched to the right, it's not just the UK that's divided.


An interesting question. Taxes would have to be raised no doubt. For years however the mantra has been that taking people out of taxation is good for the economy and hence people’s welfare. Looking at the state of the NHS and social care in the UK the “trickle down theory” clearly hasn’t delivered either. Yes the rise of the populist right is a worry. Another worry is mainstream politicians using populist slogans to further their own agendas. Seehofer in Germany and Boris in the UK come to mind for example.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:54 - Sep 9 with 566 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Sep 9 by pikeypaul

Could you imagine all these leftie remoaners if Theresa came out tomorrow and announced a 3p rise on income tax?

They whinge and cry about anything and everything but are not prepared to pay for anything.

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We'll have a field day if it was to pay for drop in tax receipts and increase in borrowing that will arise from Brexit
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The Countdown begins. on 11:46 - Sep 9 with 538 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Sep 9 by pikeypaul

Could you imagine all these leftie remoaners if Theresa came out tomorrow and announced a 3p rise on income tax?

They whinge and cry about anything and everything but are not prepared to pay for anything.

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If it was guaranteed to go on education, health and social care I would welcome it.

If it was Theresa announcing it, it's pretty much guaranteed very little would go on those things. The Taxpayers alliance would see to that.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:02 - Sep 9 with 530 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 10:54 - Sep 9 by Batterseajack

We'll have a field day if it was to pay for drop in tax receipts and increase in borrowing that will arise from Brexit


A few pennies on income tax would be a small price to pay to get out of the EU.

However we are coming out even without an increase in it.Happy days.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:51 - Sep 9 with 507 viewsKilkennyjack

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People’s vote - TUC in favour in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

Corbyn needs to go.
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People’s vote - TUC in favour in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

Corbyn needs to go.
Keir next up ?

Smash this Tory Brexit .... ✊🏾


The TUC ffs.......🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 14:12 - Sep 9 with 483 viewsCatullus

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People’s vote - TUC in favour in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

Corbyn needs to go.
Keir next up ?

Smash this Tory Brexit .... ✊🏾


What would be a good deal for British workers? The EU won't accept anything they say gives us an advantage, they won't accept anything that breaches their red lines AND they want us to not negotiate with any other country until the minute after we officially leave.
In those circumstances we cannot strike any deal that doesn't mean there will probably be a few years of things being worse.
That's exactly what the EU wants, it's an entirely protectionist approach. In those circumstances "no deal" was always the most likely outcome and all of us, the UK, the EU 27 will be worse off.
Today we will see what Sweden does and some Italian politico has said that the Italians may still leave......the euro or the EU I don't know, I missed most of it.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:20 - Sep 9 with 465 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:12 - Sep 9 by Catullus

What would be a good deal for British workers? The EU won't accept anything they say gives us an advantage, they won't accept anything that breaches their red lines AND they want us to not negotiate with any other country until the minute after we officially leave.
In those circumstances we cannot strike any deal that doesn't mean there will probably be a few years of things being worse.
That's exactly what the EU wants, it's an entirely protectionist approach. In those circumstances "no deal" was always the most likely outcome and all of us, the UK, the EU 27 will be worse off.
Today we will see what Sweden does and some Italian politico has said that the Italians may still leave......the euro or the EU I don't know, I missed most of it.


How come the likes of Boris and Gove told us it would be the easiest negotiation of all time then ?
Are they grade A stupid, pig ignorant, or liars ?

Whatever people were deliberately and repeatedly mislead.

For the reasons you have highlighted, it was always going to be hard and take a significant amount of time.

Boris is to blame.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Sep 9 with 449 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 15:20 - Sep 9 by Kilkennyjack

How come the likes of Boris and Gove told us it would be the easiest negotiation of all time then ?
Are they grade A stupid, pig ignorant, or liars ?

Whatever people were deliberately and repeatedly mislead.

For the reasons you have highlighted, it was always going to be hard and take a significant amount of time.

Boris is to blame.


Once more for thje Kilkenny..........both sides lied during the debate. I have been called up for repeatedly saying this but politicians are shite, they lie, they cheat and they steal.
Remain politicians told us there'd be emergency budgets, big tax rises, unemployment would rocket.......get it, they lied!!

Nobody with an ounce of intelligence really thought it would be an easy negotiation. Blame Boris all you like but Gove got one thing dead right, politicians are experts and people have had enough of experts, specially when they are spouting opinions biased in favour of their agenda.
Boris is to blame for many things I have no doubt but most people I've spoken to recognise that his support of brexit was more about political ambition than genuinely supporting leave...and then Gove s.h.a.t all over him!!

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 16:25 - Sep 9 with 439 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Sep 9 by Catullus

Once more for thje Kilkenny..........both sides lied during the debate. I have been called up for repeatedly saying this but politicians are shite, they lie, they cheat and they steal.
Remain politicians told us there'd be emergency budgets, big tax rises, unemployment would rocket.......get it, they lied!!

Nobody with an ounce of intelligence really thought it would be an easy negotiation. Blame Boris all you like but Gove got one thing dead right, politicians are experts and people have had enough of experts, specially when they are spouting opinions biased in favour of their agenda.
Boris is to blame for many things I have no doubt but most people I've spoken to recognise that his support of brexit was more about political ambition than genuinely supporting leave...and then Gove s.h.a.t all over him!!


."both sides lied during the debate. "

An argument that is legally and morally bankrupt. it makes the result less valid, not more. Try driving at 100mph down the motorway and then using the defence "but I saw somebody else driving just as fast, your honour"

"but politicians are shite, they lie, they cheat and they steal.",

-yes that is all true, that's why we get repeated opportunities to change our mind and vote them out, when they fail to deliver on manifesto promises and are caught cheating and lying.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:01 - Sep 9 with 403 viewsmajorraglan

I didn’t realise Boris Johnson was sacked as a shadow minister in 2004 for lying over an affair......the shallow world of politics!
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The Countdown begins. on 18:01 - Sep 9 by majorraglan

I didn’t realise Boris Johnson was sacked as a shadow minister in 2004 for lying over an affair......the shallow world of politics!


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