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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:24 - Sep 11 with 930 viewsShaky

Jaguar Boss Warns Hard Brexit May Cost JLR Thousands of Jobs
By Suzi Ring

Bloomberg, ‎11‎ ‎September‎ ‎2018‎ ‎15‎:‎41‎ ‎BST Updated on ‎11‎ ‎September‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎53‎ ‎BST

Jaguar Land Rover’s chief executive warned Prime Minister Theresa May that a bad Brexit deal could put tens of thousands of jobs at risk and cost the company more than 1.2 billion pounds a year ($1.6 billion).

The unusually frank warning by Ralf Speth was made to an audience that included May at a conference in Birmingham, England on Tuesday. He flagged the uncertainty faced by automakers as the clock ticks down to Brexit, scheduled for March 29.

“Currently, I do not even know if any of our manufacturing facilities in the U.K. will be able to function on the 30th," Speth said. Free access to Europe’s single market is "as important a part to our business as wheels are to our cars."

Speth is the latest company boss to adopt a harsher tone with May’s government over Brexit. Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc said in July it was moving the design approval for large jet engines to Germany to ensure it can continue operating whatever the Brexit outcome. In June, Airbus SE said it may have to pull its U.K. investments in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Losing easy access to EU markets would mean "the bureaucracy of a customs official becomes more important than the craft of an engineer," Speth said. He warned that decisions were being taken by companies now that won’t be reversed -- whatever the final Brexit outcome. The company, which employs more than 40,000 people in the U.K., said its losses in the event of a no-deal Brexit would wipe out its profit.

JLR’s Footprint
A government spokesman said May’s Chequers plan for Brexit, which the U.K. is pursuing, would protect the auto industry’s supply chain and the prime minister is confident of getting a good deal. The plan involves tying the U.K. to a common rulebook with the EU on goods.
The auto industry is particularly vulnerable to any changes in trade or regulation post-Brexit because of the large number of components that are imported and exported between the EU and U.K. daily to build vehicles on a ‘just-in-time’ schedule.

JLR has four plants in the U.K. that produce 3,000 cars a day and use 25 million components. Any delays would cost the company 60 million pounds a day, according to Speth. The company already cut about 1,000 jobs this year in response to a slump in sales of diesel cars and the uncertainty around Brexit. The U.K. has announced a ban on new diesel vehicles from 2040.

"What decisions will I be forced to make, if Brexit means not merely that costs go up, but that we cannot physically build cars on time and on budget in the U.K.?" Speth said.

May also addressed the conference, the Zero-Emission Vehicle Summit, pledging 106 million pounds in funding for research and development in environmentally-friendly vehicles, including batteries for electric cars and hydrogen technology.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-11/jlr-chief-tells-may-hard-brex

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The Countdown begins. on 17:29 - Sep 11 with 924 viewsShaky


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The Countdown begins. on 18:19 - Sep 11 with 889 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:24 - Sep 11 by Shaky

Jaguar Boss Warns Hard Brexit May Cost JLR Thousands of Jobs
By Suzi Ring

Bloomberg, ‎11‎ ‎September‎ ‎2018‎ ‎15‎:‎41‎ ‎BST Updated on ‎11‎ ‎September‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎53‎ ‎BST

Jaguar Land Rover’s chief executive warned Prime Minister Theresa May that a bad Brexit deal could put tens of thousands of jobs at risk and cost the company more than 1.2 billion pounds a year ($1.6 billion).

The unusually frank warning by Ralf Speth was made to an audience that included May at a conference in Birmingham, England on Tuesday. He flagged the uncertainty faced by automakers as the clock ticks down to Brexit, scheduled for March 29.

“Currently, I do not even know if any of our manufacturing facilities in the U.K. will be able to function on the 30th," Speth said. Free access to Europe’s single market is "as important a part to our business as wheels are to our cars."

Speth is the latest company boss to adopt a harsher tone with May’s government over Brexit. Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc said in July it was moving the design approval for large jet engines to Germany to ensure it can continue operating whatever the Brexit outcome. In June, Airbus SE said it may have to pull its U.K. investments in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Losing easy access to EU markets would mean "the bureaucracy of a customs official becomes more important than the craft of an engineer," Speth said. He warned that decisions were being taken by companies now that won’t be reversed -- whatever the final Brexit outcome. The company, which employs more than 40,000 people in the U.K., said its losses in the event of a no-deal Brexit would wipe out its profit.

JLR’s Footprint
A government spokesman said May’s Chequers plan for Brexit, which the U.K. is pursuing, would protect the auto industry’s supply chain and the prime minister is confident of getting a good deal. The plan involves tying the U.K. to a common rulebook with the EU on goods.
The auto industry is particularly vulnerable to any changes in trade or regulation post-Brexit because of the large number of components that are imported and exported between the EU and U.K. daily to build vehicles on a ‘just-in-time’ schedule.

JLR has four plants in the U.K. that produce 3,000 cars a day and use 25 million components. Any delays would cost the company 60 million pounds a day, according to Speth. The company already cut about 1,000 jobs this year in response to a slump in sales of diesel cars and the uncertainty around Brexit. The U.K. has announced a ban on new diesel vehicles from 2040.

"What decisions will I be forced to make, if Brexit means not merely that costs go up, but that we cannot physically build cars on time and on budget in the U.K.?" Speth said.

May also addressed the conference, the Zero-Emission Vehicle Summit, pledging 106 million pounds in funding for research and development in environmentally-friendly vehicles, including batteries for electric cars and hydrogen technology.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-11/jlr-chief-tells-may-hard-brex


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No mention of the news on Aston Martin shake?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:43 - Sep 11 with 876 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 10:34 - Sep 11 by Batterseajack

So you got f**k all to say in the statement in the white paper then.

" Parliamentary sovereignty
2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU "
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I take the white paper with the pinch of salt it deserves. Politicians lie, I don't trust them. There is a lot of stuff written down or spoken that is misleading, untrue and pure guesswork, like Osborne's predictions for the future if we voted leave......how have those worked out? Again, if the government back in 75 were disingenuous because they wanted us to vote in, why should anyone believe this white paper?

Is that f%$k all enough for you?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:43 - Sep 11 by Catullus

I take the white paper with the pinch of salt it deserves. Politicians lie, I don't trust them. There is a lot of stuff written down or spoken that is misleading, untrue and pure guesswork, like Osborne's predictions for the future if we voted leave......how have those worked out? Again, if the government back in 75 were disingenuous because they wanted us to vote in, why should anyone believe this white paper?

Is that f%$k all enough for you?


Better to be governed by unelected experts then?

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The Countdown begins. on 19:31 - Sep 11 with 827 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:30 - Sep 11 by peenemunde

That logic is crazy. Scotland had a referendum and could have left the UK, does that mean Scotland is completely independent from the UK, because they were given the choice.

No of course Scotland is not an independent country, because it still has to abide by UK legislation in many areas.

The eu have sovereignty over the UK in many areas and to deny that, shows just how stupid the remoaning side are.
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Try posting without using one of those silly slogans like Frankenstein project and Remoaner young man. You might be taken more seriously.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:43 - Sep 11 with 809 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:31 - Sep 11 by longlostjack

Try posting without using one of those silly slogans like Frankenstein project and Remoaner young man. You might be taken more seriously.
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I won’t apologise for calling a spade a spade.
The “Frankenstein” metaphor is very apt, because “Frankenstein” is a monster thrown together, exactly how the eu has evolved from the sham of its days as the eec.

As for using the word remoaner, how else would you describe a subliminally brain washed idiot.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:50 - Sep 11 with 797 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:43 - Sep 11 by peenemunde

I won’t apologise for calling a spade a spade.
The “Frankenstein” metaphor is very apt, because “Frankenstein” is a monster thrown together, exactly how the eu has evolved from the sham of its days as the eec.

As for using the word remoaner, how else would you describe a subliminally brain washed idiot.


A Daily Mail reader?

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The Countdown begins. on 19:56 - Sep 11 with 790 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:30 - Sep 11 by peenemunde

That logic is crazy. Scotland had a referendum and could have left the UK, does that mean Scotland is completely independent from the UK, because they were given the choice.

No of course Scotland is not an independent country, because it still has to abide by UK legislation in many areas.

The eu have sovereignty over the UK in many areas and to deny that, shows just how stupid the remoaning side are.
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You're arguing against yourself. If Scotland had voted Yes, they would be an independent country. That's entirely what the vote was about, they chose not to, for now.

The reality is people voted leave over immigration because we chose not to utilise EU rules available to us. What would Alanis morrisette say about that?

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The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Sep 11 with 774 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:56 - Sep 11 by sherpajacob

You're arguing against yourself. If Scotland had voted Yes, they would be an independent country. That's entirely what the vote was about, they chose not to, for now.

The reality is people voted leave over immigration because we chose not to utilise EU rules available to us. What would Alanis morrisette say about that?


No it’s you who is arguing with himself. Just because you have an independence vote, doesn’t mean you are already an independent state.

Also is irrelevant why people voted to leave....just as its irrelevant why people voted to remain.
The referendum is over and the result known......bye, bye - Frankenstein project
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The Countdown begins. on 20:03 - Sep 11 with 769 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 19:43 - Sep 11 by peenemunde

I won’t apologise for calling a spade a spade.
The “Frankenstein” metaphor is very apt, because “Frankenstein” is a monster thrown together, exactly how the eu has evolved from the sham of its days as the eec.

As for using the word remoaner, how else would you describe a subliminally brain washed idiot.


Frankenstein is a scientist, ground breaking, innovative, an expert.

You can't even get those facts correct.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:07 - Sep 11 with 757 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 20:03 - Sep 11 by sherpajacob

Frankenstein is a scientist, ground breaking, innovative, an expert.

You can't even get those facts correct.


Yes I know he is.
Don’t tell me you’ve never heard “Frankenstein” used in metaphorical language before.
It doesn’t surprise me......🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 21:35 - Sep 11 with 700 viewsGowerjack

This picture says it all really.

Falkland's task force...
Star Wars nuclear defence shield...

Here's the bunch if liars chancers and fûcking halfwits that have got the country in this mess.


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The Countdown begins. on 21:48 - Sep 11 with 680 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:03 - Sep 11 by sherpajacob

Frankenstein is a scientist, ground breaking, innovative, an expert.

You can't even get those facts correct.


Frankenstein was a maniac who dug up corpses, cut them up, stuck them together and shot 40 million votes up its bum to galvanise a creature that was so hideous it couldn’t bear the sight of itself. Despite appearing articulate and intelligent the creature used threats and blackmail in an attempt to gain what it wanted (a mate). When these threats and blackmail didn’t work it progressed to murder, attempting to shift the blame onto its creator. Eventually torn apart by the hideous nature of his vile and lonely existence the creature sought to destroy itself, eventually drifting away into the cold sea.

Sounds like a perfect EU analogy to me...

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:28 - Sep 11 with 648 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:48 - Sep 11 by Highjack

Frankenstein was a maniac who dug up corpses, cut them up, stuck them together and shot 40 million votes up its bum to galvanise a creature that was so hideous it couldn’t bear the sight of itself. Despite appearing articulate and intelligent the creature used threats and blackmail in an attempt to gain what it wanted (a mate). When these threats and blackmail didn’t work it progressed to murder, attempting to shift the blame onto its creator. Eventually torn apart by the hideous nature of his vile and lonely existence the creature sought to destroy itself, eventually drifting away into the cold sea.

Sounds like a perfect EU analogy to me...


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The Countdown begins. on 22:50 - Sep 11 with 636 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 22:28 - Sep 11 by longlostjack

More Michael Gove.


Yes It is an analogy that easily lends itself to other entities I will admit.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 00:53 - Sep 12 with 607 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 12:28 - Sep 11 by Highjack

Under the context of the question “what does the EU do for me” then research on metal alloys is very underwhelming.

Also we’re constantly told by the likes of Kilkenny that they are spending billions on improving the poor areas and helping poor people because they are so nice but according to this website it’s only big tech firms that seem to be benefitting in my area.

It’s all a bit of a con really isn’t it?


Are you expecting them to build you a new home or something.

Research money means well paid taxpayers spend their hard earned cash, usually in their local area,,,in local businesses. The business with the research money can find new markets or consolidate the ones it has...this company also pays tax on top of the people it employs. Forgetting the rates the company pays , the council tax that it's employees pay...to the council, to support it's services.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 19:50 - Sep 11 by longlostjack

A Daily Mail reader?


Wrong again. You keep falling into the same trap.
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The Countdown begins. on 05:47 - Sep 12 with 561 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 18:19 - Sep 11 by Jango

Remainers favourite word, could!

No mention of the news on Aston Martin shake?


Of course not

The remoaners hate good news.

The remoaners get a hard on when they hear of job cuts which probably would have happened anyway but Brexit gives the owners a handy excuse.

You would have thought Job loses had never happened pre Brexit .

Aston Martin create 750 jobs and not a dicky bird from the remoaners,Panasonic relocate 20 and they are all over it.

It shows how pathetic they are and how they still can not face reality.

Anyway

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The Countdown begins. on 05:47 - Sep 12 by pikeypaul

Of course not

The remoaners hate good news.

The remoaners get a hard on when they hear of job cuts which probably would have happened anyway but Brexit gives the owners a handy excuse.

You would have thought Job loses had never happened pre Brexit .

Aston Martin create 750 jobs and not a dicky bird from the remoaners,Panasonic relocate 20 and they are all over it.

It shows how pathetic they are and how they still can not face reality.

Anyway

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Yes, because Rees-Mogg's calculations of a £1 trillion Brexit boost to the economy are no doubt predicated on the UK becoming a powerhouse producer of hand built luxury cars to the Indian and Chinese mass markets.

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The garbled nonsense of Jacob Rees-Mogg's new press release
By Ian Dunt Tuesday,

Politics UK, 11 September 2018

The Economists for Free Trade are a ragtag bunch of Brexit-supporting eccentrics whose primary function is to make all other economists feel better about their life choices. Their latest press release, which comes with a Jacob Rees-Mogg stamp of approval, is a masterclass in babbling nonsense. It is designed to promote their new report on why Britain would be fine if it fell off the cliff-edge in March next year, contrary to the findings of every credible independent body in economics or indeed any industry body.

It is hard to find a single accurate sentence in the entire thing. It is so full of legal, economic and logical misunderstanding that it is genuinely easier to highlight the sections of it which are true. However, that would also be less fun, so let's stick with the traditional methodology.

It starts with the first sentence of the second paragraph. "A world trade deal under WTO rules would boost the UK's trade with the rest of the world including Europe," it reads. It is a quite completely insane thing to suggest.

Firstly, there is no "world trade deal". There is a WTO safety net which, among other things, bans discrimination in trading arrangements between countries unless they have a trade deal. Calling this arrangement a 'world trade deal' is the worst kind of misleading and cynical advertising-speak.
Second, WTO terms are not going to boost the UK's trade with Europe. There is no scenario painted by anyone on any side of the debate which would suggest this and there is certainly no reason to believe it on the basis of what is written here. It's the kind of thing you say when you have soared off into your own special land where the rules of causation do not apply. This sentence suggests the Economists for Free Trade are no longer in a fight against the EU, but against the basic concepts of language and meaning.

"If the EU insisted on slapping WTO tariffs on British exports," the paper scowls, like a schoolboy pretending to be James Bond, "the overall effect would amount to a staggering £13 billion a year boost to UK revenues."

The EU is not "insisting" anything. It has no choice. The WTO non-discrimination provision means that you must apply your tariffs equally outside of a trade deal. The authors either know this and are liars, or they don't and are idiots.

At other points, the report appears to recognise the non-discrimination provision and then simultaneously misunderstand it so comprehensively that it turns the world on its head.

"Armageddon-style predictions that the EU would freeze out British goods by refusing to recognise them as complying with EU standards in breach of WTO rules and in a worse way than it treats any other non-EU country are simply not realistic," the report reads. You may have noticed that it is very hard to follow the writing. The sentence structure is an absolute mess and they appear to be unaware of the existence of commas. But put aside the grammar for a moment and focus on the argument.

They have everything back to front. The EU is not proposing to treat Britain differently to any other non-EU country. The entire problem is that it is treating Britain as any other non-EU country, and that entails a substantial downgrading of our relationship. In a way, this is the pinnacle of the report, because it is the point where its arguments become perfectly inverse to the reality of the thing it is discussing. It is a magic mirror world of 180-degree wrongness.

"Imposing non-tariff barriers to trade are illegal under WTO rules," it then adds - a point which is simply false. If it were true, there would be an awful lot of illegality going on in the WTO, given that there are non-tariff barriers to trade everywhere. Having a different language is a non-tariff barrier. Passing a law banning certain plastic packaging or chemicals in production are non-tariff barriers.

The single market aims to eradicate non-tariff barriers, for instance by melding together regulations. It is precisely this project which the Brexiters demanded to leave a couple years ago because it was apparently an intolerable infringement on our sovereignty. Now they claim that it is everywhere: all around us, all-good and never visible, like a deity.

"Switching to a World Trade Deal under WTO rules is no step in the dark because the UK already conducts about half of its trade under WTO rules and six out of ten of the EU’s main trading partners – including China, India, the USA and Japan – trade with it under a WTO regime," the press release says.

They are clearly oblivious to how free trade operates. There is almost no country on earth which operates only by WTO rules. States use a variety of trading structures to allow goods to flow more easily. Mutual recognition agreements, for instance, allow you to do anything from trusting another country's safety checks to providing a priority lane during import.

The EU has hundreds of these things, lots of them with prized trading partners like China and the US. It is simple wrong to say, as Economists for Free Trade do, that "over the past 25 years, the top four exporters to the EU, including the USA and China, have all conducted their trade under WTO rules". They don't.

There are countless other fallacies, logical malfunctions and howling errors in just the press release, let alone the full report, but life is too short to read it all. There comes a point where you have to spare yourself the intellectual damage, the sheer cost in brain cells, of sustained exposure to this stuff.

We are at the tail end of Brexit, with around six months until the end of Article 50, and this is what the hard Brexiters have to offer. This is the sum total of their proposition: a report which can barely complete a sentence without misleading people and which has no understanding of the most basic elements of the matters it purports to address.

Yesterday, Rees-Mogg confirmed that another report, a 140-page alternate plan for Brexit by the Tory MPs opposed to Theresa May's Chequers proposal, has been permanently spiked.

From what we know of it, the paper appears to be in the same genre as the Economists for Free Trade report: nationalist slashfic in which Britain plays the role of potent action hero while the world and objective reality meekly submit to its will. There would be tax cuts, huge tax cuts - tax cuts across the board - but also there would be massive spending, not least on a nuclear defence shield in space and an expeditionary force sent to the Falklands for no discernable reason. Ultimately it was so deranged and bizarre even Mogg thought it best to shelve it.

Boris Johnson keeps making general stabbing actions at the prime minister, but what is his plan? He wrote in the Mail yesterday that the Irish backstop had put Britain into a negotiating headlock. "It is a humiliation," he said.

But what proposal does he have to fix it? Nothing. There is only a vague assertion of "technical solutions". Around the world, people are "abolishing frontier checks", he says, and we can do so here, failing to mention that he just headed a campaign which made border control its core message.

Even the most advanced borders, like Canada-US, have checks, and so do the most regularly intimate ones, like Norway-Sweden. The "technical solutions" he alludes to do not exist. They've had months to try and show us how these technical solutions would work - not just in general but specifically for implementation in March next year. They have not, because they cannot. Just like all the other promises, they crumble to dust as soon as they are touched.

There is nothing. They have nothing. After all the swagger and the radio interviews and the parliamentary machinations and the think tank reports and the speeches, they've not a single viable proposal to offer. At some point, either months or years from now, there will be a stocktake of what was said during this period and how key people behaved. It will not be kind to them.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/09/11/the-garbled-nonsense-of-jacob-rees-mo

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The Countdown begins. on 08:06 - Sep 12 with 524 viewspikeypaul

Bore off copy and paste boy .

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The Countdown begins. on 08:10 - Sep 12 with 521 viewsShaky

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Bore off copy and paste boy .

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Says the individual under the impression that a tediously repetitive and inane countdown is worth repeating on the same day.

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The Countdown begins. on 08:38 - Sep 12 with 512 viewsmajorraglan

Aston Martin is indeed good news.

The current situation is a mess, our government is riddled with infighting and we are 6months away from a Brexit which we are ill-prepared for even Lord Mervin King who is a big supporter of Brexit has said so. The politicians need to pull themselves together and sort it out.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:13 - Sep 12 with 503 viewsWarwickHunt

Raab is almost making David Davis look half decent. He’s a very silly naughty, boy.😂

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