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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:08 - Sep 20 with 403 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:03 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

It’s almost as if the EU haven’t managed to work out how much more they’re going to suffer than we will, which is what penismind and pikeypaul have been telling us all.

Incredible how stupid they’re being, what with all those tariffs and not selling cars and food and stuff.

It surely couldn’t be that penismind and pikeypaul don’t know what they’re talking about? After all their in-depth analysis and everything?


Oh and you know what you are talking about I suppose 🤣
The U.K. will do magnificently post Brexit and you will absolutely hate it won’t you.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:19 - Sep 20 with 390 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 19:05 - Sep 20 by pikeypaul

No deal is coming home and I fecking love it.

I am going nowhere little hands.

Lefties showing their true colours wanting failure on ANY negotiations so they can have a GE.

Not going to happen guys,May is out after March 29th if not before and we will ALL be happy when the remoaner goes to be replaced by someone who respects democracy.

Anyway not long until we are out.

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SUCK IT UP YOU REMOANER LOSERS


Oops.

“Little hands”

It’s almost as if people are forgetting which account is which...
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The Countdown begins. on 19:19 - Sep 20 with 389 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 19:08 - Sep 20 by peenemunde

Oh and you know what you are talking about I suppose 🤣
The U.K. will do magnificently post Brexit and you will absolutely hate it won’t you.


More than you do, yes.

Nope. I’d love it. But we won’t find out.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:24 - Sep 20 with 388 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:19 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

More than you do, yes.

Nope. I’d love it. But we won’t find out.


You concentrate on sorting out the mess the trust is in.
Oh and here we go.....we ain’t going to leave, so we won’t find out.....🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 19:29 - Sep 20 with 370 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 19:24 - Sep 20 by peenemunde

You concentrate on sorting out the mess the trust is in.
Oh and here we go.....we ain’t going to leave, so we won’t find out.....🤣


The Trust isn’t in a mess.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:33 - Sep 20 with 363 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:29 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

The Trust isn’t in a mess.


That’s a great impression of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf.........absolutely hilarious 😂 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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The Countdown begins. on 19:42 - Sep 20 with 336 viewsexiledclaseboy

May has had quite a disastrous day today really.

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The Countdown begins. on 19:45 - Sep 20 with 330 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 15:22 - Sep 20 by Catullus

How about to take our country out of the protectionist EU, itself a friend to corporate greed so we can build a better country for our children.
How about escaping the growing far right influences that are stoking ever more tensions across Europe.

Why do remainers insist the EU is some utopia with standards we can only aspire too? Why do they think leaving means an attack on standards? This isn't a forecast, it's happening now all across EU states there is rising crime, far right fanaticism and race hate. How is staying in the EU going to avoid the right wing nonsense when right wing politicians are gaining more traction week by week?
In all our time in the EU has the gulf between rich and poor narrowed or gotten wider? Well we all know, it has gotten much wider yet remainers expect the EU to change that when in 41 years it's made it worse.
Denmark has rejected parts of the EU, in 2015 in it's referendum it voted to keep opt outs and reject being able to have closer cooperation in many areas. Sweden has had a right wing surge that had the Liberal government in a panic until finally not making the huge gains they expected.
In Sweden violent crime has surged, sex crimes and crimes against immigrants have risen. In the Netherlands, Mark Rutte made a speech last March rejecting ever closer union, he said "more EU is not the answer"
Of those 3 only Denmark has seen a rise in support for the EU.


"How about to take our country out of the protectionist EU, itself a friend to corporate greed so we can build a better country for our children."

The EU is no more protectionist than any other trading bloc - and has shown a willingness to negotiate trade deals - such as the one with Canada. But representing 500 million people, and a combined economy near enough equal to that of the USA it carries a lot of weight into those trade agreement negotiations. Unlike the UK with its meagre 66 million population - as we will discover to our cost in the event of a hard Brexit. The idea that the EU is a friend of corporate greed is disingenuous in the extreme. There are legitimate criticisms of the EU for sure, but they are nothing compared to those of the UK as it stands (Wonga anyone?). If you think the Brexit project is going to favour anyone other than the richest segment of society you are frankly deluded.

"How about escaping the growing far right influences that are stoking ever more tensions across Europe."

Another devious argument. Brexit is very much part of the rightward trend in Europe - brought about by the Russian-inspired Syrian refugee crisis and the anarchy in Libya created by the no-plan-for-peace intervention there. In what possible way would any form of Brexit help to mitigate the problems wrought by the refugee crisis? None whatsoever. Your solution is for us to turn our back on the problem, which we helped create by the ill-considered Libyan intervention. Shameful.

"Why do remainers insist the EU is some utopia with standards we can only aspire too? Why do they think leaving means an attack on standards?"

The EU is no utopia - but at least it has some standards on the environment, consumer protection and workers's rights, for starters. The Uk's standards are far lower by comparison, hence the countless regulatory disasters (Herald of Free Enterprise, Piper Alpha, Valley Parade, Hillsborough, Grenfell and of course the big one - the financial meltdown in 2008). Given that all the leading figures in the Brexit camp are raving right loons who want to tear down what few regulations we have then clearly the prospects for a hard Brexit are bleak indeed.

"In all our time in the EU has the gulf between rich and poor narrowed or gotten wider?"

Yet another disingenuous argument. The gap between rich and poor has massively widened specifically in the UK - so that we have the biggest gap in northern Europe. The gap is bigger than in Germany, which has been re-unified for less than 30 years - what a disgrace that is. If the Brexit campaign were being led by left-wing or centrist politicians then this argument might have some traction. But that's not the case is it. The Farage's and Rees-Mogg's of this world are only interested in the interests of the rich elite from which they come.

As it is there are many exemplars in the EU of a relatively narrow divide between rich and poor - notably Denmark, Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands . You'll struggle to find more egalitarian countries and happier countries anywhere in the world. The difference between their wealth distribution and the UKs illustrates how limited the EUs powers really are, and speaks volumes for how right-wing conservative values have become the norm in the UK.

As for the rest of your post. Yes, it's true that Euroscepticism has risen in Europe - but nowhere near to the extent that you claim. Even the Greeks - who have more reason than most to feel hard done by than most - have no desire to leave the EU. The strains that the EU are experiencing have almost entirely been down to the refugee crisis and the post-2008 downturn. With the Eurozone economies picking up Euroscepticism will recede. The immediate black cloud on the horizon is the impending Russian-led campaign in Idlib province - which no doubt has the explicit intention of releasing another wave of refugees into Europe. The idea that the EU is the cause of these short to medium-term difficulties is a nonsense.

I really think you need to try a little harder.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:50 - Sep 20 with 324 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 19:45 - Sep 20 by BytholWyn

"How about to take our country out of the protectionist EU, itself a friend to corporate greed so we can build a better country for our children."

The EU is no more protectionist than any other trading bloc - and has shown a willingness to negotiate trade deals - such as the one with Canada. But representing 500 million people, and a combined economy near enough equal to that of the USA it carries a lot of weight into those trade agreement negotiations. Unlike the UK with its meagre 66 million population - as we will discover to our cost in the event of a hard Brexit. The idea that the EU is a friend of corporate greed is disingenuous in the extreme. There are legitimate criticisms of the EU for sure, but they are nothing compared to those of the UK as it stands (Wonga anyone?). If you think the Brexit project is going to favour anyone other than the richest segment of society you are frankly deluded.

"How about escaping the growing far right influences that are stoking ever more tensions across Europe."

Another devious argument. Brexit is very much part of the rightward trend in Europe - brought about by the Russian-inspired Syrian refugee crisis and the anarchy in Libya created by the no-plan-for-peace intervention there. In what possible way would any form of Brexit help to mitigate the problems wrought by the refugee crisis? None whatsoever. Your solution is for us to turn our back on the problem, which we helped create by the ill-considered Libyan intervention. Shameful.

"Why do remainers insist the EU is some utopia with standards we can only aspire too? Why do they think leaving means an attack on standards?"

The EU is no utopia - but at least it has some standards on the environment, consumer protection and workers's rights, for starters. The Uk's standards are far lower by comparison, hence the countless regulatory disasters (Herald of Free Enterprise, Piper Alpha, Valley Parade, Hillsborough, Grenfell and of course the big one - the financial meltdown in 2008). Given that all the leading figures in the Brexit camp are raving right loons who want to tear down what few regulations we have then clearly the prospects for a hard Brexit are bleak indeed.

"In all our time in the EU has the gulf between rich and poor narrowed or gotten wider?"

Yet another disingenuous argument. The gap between rich and poor has massively widened specifically in the UK - so that we have the biggest gap in northern Europe. The gap is bigger than in Germany, which has been re-unified for less than 30 years - what a disgrace that is. If the Brexit campaign were being led by left-wing or centrist politicians then this argument might have some traction. But that's not the case is it. The Farage's and Rees-Mogg's of this world are only interested in the interests of the rich elite from which they come.

As it is there are many exemplars in the EU of a relatively narrow divide between rich and poor - notably Denmark, Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands . You'll struggle to find more egalitarian countries and happier countries anywhere in the world. The difference between their wealth distribution and the UKs illustrates how limited the EUs powers really are, and speaks volumes for how right-wing conservative values have become the norm in the UK.

As for the rest of your post. Yes, it's true that Euroscepticism has risen in Europe - but nowhere near to the extent that you claim. Even the Greeks - who have more reason than most to feel hard done by than most - have no desire to leave the EU. The strains that the EU are experiencing have almost entirely been down to the refugee crisis and the post-2008 downturn. With the Eurozone economies picking up Euroscepticism will recede. The immediate black cloud on the horizon is the impending Russian-led campaign in Idlib province - which no doubt has the explicit intention of releasing another wave of refugees into Europe. The idea that the EU is the cause of these short to medium-term difficulties is a nonsense.

I really think you need to try a little harder.


The Arab spring was created and supported by the liberal globalist governments in the USA and eu.
Create a problem, then magically find the solution.....oldest trick in the book, only problem is people are waking up to their stunts.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:57 - Sep 20 with 315 viewsBytholWyn

Have a look at this list of countries listed by inequality:

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

Note how many EU countries occupy the lowest (i.e. best) spots in the table 9 out of the best 16). Then have a look where the UK is - worse than the likes of Ethiopia, Egypt and Mali. Embarrassing.

Anyone who thinks Brexit will improve things is a fantasist.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:01 - Sep 20 with 306 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:42 - Sep 20 by exiledclaseboy

May has had quite a disastrous day today really.


It’s been her most disastrous week in politics since last week.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Sep 20 with 305 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 19:50 - Sep 20 by peenemunde

The Arab spring was created and supported by the liberal globalist governments in the USA and eu.
Create a problem, then magically find the solution.....oldest trick in the book, only problem is people are waking up to their stunts.


Nonsense - the Arab spring was created by a groundswell of opinion in Arab countries. Was the situation mishandled by the West - for sure - but how Brexit can be invoked as a solution is beyond comprehension.

Essentially you want the UK to turn it's back on the world when it comes to tackling the thorniest problems - and yet expect us to be able to deal and trade openly with the world on advantageous terms. The stuff of fantasy.

Are there any adults in the room?
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The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Sep 20 with 297 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Sep 20 by BytholWyn

Nonsense - the Arab spring was created by a groundswell of opinion in Arab countries. Was the situation mishandled by the West - for sure - but how Brexit can be invoked as a solution is beyond comprehension.

Essentially you want the UK to turn it's back on the world when it comes to tackling the thorniest problems - and yet expect us to be able to deal and trade openly with the world on advantageous terms. The stuff of fantasy.

Are there any adults in the room?


You’re in the wrong place for adults mate. All you’re going to get here is “fake news”, “project fear” and “suck it up remoaner losers”.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:12 - Sep 20 with 281 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Sep 20 by exiledclaseboy

You’re in the wrong place for adults mate. All you’re going to get here is “fake news”, “project fear” and “suck it up remoaner losers”.


You forgot “ I don’t believe in democracy and want another vote since I am a loser“
Or
“All old people should be killed for voting leave” posted by our favourite terrorist loving Remoaner.


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The Countdown begins. on 20:15 - Sep 20 with 277 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Sep 20 by BytholWyn

Nonsense - the Arab spring was created by a groundswell of opinion in Arab countries. Was the situation mishandled by the West - for sure - but how Brexit can be invoked as a solution is beyond comprehension.

Essentially you want the UK to turn it's back on the world when it comes to tackling the thorniest problems - and yet expect us to be able to deal and trade openly with the world on advantageous terms. The stuff of fantasy.

Are there any adults in the room?


Great post

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The Countdown begins. on 20:17 - Sep 20 with 274 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:19 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

More than you do, yes.

Nope. I’d love it. But we won’t find out.


Team Lisa 👍

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The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Sep 20 with 268 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Sep 20 by exiledclaseboy

You’re in the wrong place for adults mate. All you’re going to get here is “fake news”, “project fear” and “suck it up remoaner losers”.


You are also in the wrong place if you believe in democracy.....👍
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The Countdown begins. on 20:25 - Sep 20 with 263 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Sep 20 by BytholWyn

Nonsense - the Arab spring was created by a groundswell of opinion in Arab countries. Was the situation mishandled by the West - for sure - but how Brexit can be invoked as a solution is beyond comprehension.

Essentially you want the UK to turn it's back on the world when it comes to tackling the thorniest problems - and yet expect us to be able to deal and trade openly with the world on advantageous terms. The stuff of fantasy.

Are there any adults in the room?


You’re so naive it’s unbelievable.
Next you’ll be saying Iraq had WMD 🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 20:44 - Sep 20 with 245 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 19:19 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

Oops.

“Little hands”

It’s almost as if people are forgetting which account is which...


I think the thicko must be confusing me with his hero, the famously digitally-challenged Donald Trump ( who apparently has a penis the size and shape of a button mushroom).

Not guilty on both counts.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:44 - Sep 20 with 244 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:17 - Sep 20 by Kilkennyjack

Team Lisa 👍


That’s far too crawly bum lick.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:48 - Sep 20 with 239 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 19:42 - Sep 20 by exiledclaseboy

May has had quite a disastrous day today really.


Didn’t see that coming...
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The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Sep 20 with 220 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 20:44 - Sep 20 by WarwickHunt

I think the thicko must be confusing me with his hero, the famously digitally-challenged Donald Trump ( who apparently has a penis the size and shape of a button mushroom).

Not guilty on both counts.


The only person who’s name springs to mind concerning you is.....Jimmy Savile.🤣
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The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Sep 20 with 220 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 15:47 - Sep 20 by longlostjack

I’m confused. Pikey and Peens seem to view the EU as some kind of socialist Frankenstein as do a lot of wealthy individuals worried about EU regulation - particularly in relation to tax havens and working directives.You are suggesting that the EU is responsible for the widening gap between rich and poor. Very odd.


Maybe it sounds odd but it's a fact, the gap between rich and poor is widening. It doesn't matter if you talk about the left, right or centre of politics, whatever they do the gap widens so what does that tell you?
Maybe it says what I have been called out for repeating, that the only people all in it together are the politicians and the elite. It's a gane to them, a game they always win at because they get quite a nice earner with the pay packet and expenses, then, when they leave politics they walk into well paid consulting roles.
The people that do most of the working are the ones who end up worse off. When the public sector here was only allowed 1% pay rises, what did the politicians get?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 21:01 - Sep 20 with 209 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Sep 20 by Catullus

Maybe it sounds odd but it's a fact, the gap between rich and poor is widening. It doesn't matter if you talk about the left, right or centre of politics, whatever they do the gap widens so what does that tell you?
Maybe it says what I have been called out for repeating, that the only people all in it together are the politicians and the elite. It's a gane to them, a game they always win at because they get quite a nice earner with the pay packet and expenses, then, when they leave politics they walk into well paid consulting roles.
The people that do most of the working are the ones who end up worse off. When the public sector here was only allowed 1% pay rises, what did the politicians get?


Income inequality is far greater in the UK than all other EU states.

Germany, the Scandinavian and Benelux countries seem to get the mix of wealth distribution, social policies and investment in industry and infrastructure better arranged than we do. The EU is not the cause or the problem of our income inequality, quite the opposite

The real problem is the UK political system. Yet we are leaving the EU to give more power to a political system that has already failed us big time.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:11 - Sep 20 with 185 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 17:09 - Sep 20 by Shaky

Correct me if i am wrong here but Pike is DGT, right?

DGT being pretty much a far right boot boy.

Thing is far right boot boys love misery. Or more specifically their intellectual superiors do, although that admittedly doesn't narrow the field down much.

Because misery, economic depression, and widespread personal desperation produce fertile breeding grounds for far right ideologies. Think the 1930s in Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.

Could it happen again? Betcha ass, especially if the country is in a state where the RAF is flying around the country dispensing medical supplies, food, etc.
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Now there's the issue, Shaky, the right wing is already growing all across Europe, try as you might you can't deny that. To try and overturn brexit might push people further right here too.
As much as I defend brexit I don't want a no deal scenario but because the politicians are so bl00dy useless it might happen.
Maybe the EU are quite happy to negotiate us into a no deal position because, accepting it would be quite bad, it would scare others out of thinking about leaving and maybe even scare us into staying but we'd get worse terms on asking to remain.
Just think on that, what if we changed our minds but the EU said fine you can remain BUT, you have to join the Euro, you have to give up your rebate.
What Cameron did by resigning was the worst act of selfishness possible because by leaving No.10 he ensured Tory infighting would dominate brexit and he may well have realised we'd end up with the Maybot in charge, she bounces around from one idea to the next without a clear plan and makes messes for others to clear up, just like when she was home secretary.
The EU, by refusing to accept a border with Northern ireland and insisting NI stays inside EU boundaries is deliberately making a deal impossible, they know it and May has told them as much so ask yourself, did the EU always intend for it to be a no deal, disorderly brexit (or we'd change our minds) and the only thing the negotiations have been for is to make them look like they were trying?
When it comes to politicians anything is possible.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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