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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 05:04 - Oct 10 with 876 viewsHighjack

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I've not read a single page of this, no doubt, vvank thread, but anyone who voted Brexit, or even worse, still supports the car crash that it is, is a complete vvanker.

Offend or please as always...

This shit has been clogging up the airwaves and super highways for far too long

Make it end.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Oct 10 with 807 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 22:16 - Oct 9 by pikeypaul

The EU will never accept a deal that the British people voted for and we all know it.

They have just been playing games and wasting everyone's time.

No deal is a near certainty and thank god for that.The harder the BREXIT the better.

Maybe the anti British remoaners will then Feck off out of our country.

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Nonesense. Its not the EU's fault if vote leave made a whole load of undeliverable promises and the British people voted for it. Vote leave said we could retain all the benefits of the single market but trade freely with the rest of the world and control its own rules on trade and goods. Those two are not compatible without the the EU compromising the integrity of its single market, and why should it do that?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:24 - Oct 10 with 800 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 21:42 - Oct 9 by Catullus

This isn't about rules of membership though, this is about an agreement outside of membership.
How is it right that they demand we can't start negotiations with other countries until we've left?
How can they demand that any deal means Northern Ireland staying inside the EU, especially when they know NI will never agree to it?

It's not a negotiation at all, it's a list of demands intended to make my two points happen. The UK has conceded ground on several things but every time the UK does this, the EU throws up more problems.
Why did the EU say a deal was close when according to May it was nowhere near?

You're saying they don't want it to fail but the evidence says otherwise, the EU wants Brexit to be a failure, then there's this,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-senior-german-mep-eu

and the threats over the financial sector that could cause chaos,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/09/bank-england-fires-warning-shot-

For people who want a deal, and said it was close, they seem to be pushing in a different direction even though it could cost Germany alone billions.
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"This isn't about rules of membership though, this is about an agreement outside of membership.
How is it right that they demand we can't start negotiations with other countries until we've left?"

EU rules (which we played a part in shaping) state that member countries cannot enter formal negotiations with other countries whilst being a member. Our government (and vote leave) would have known this. The EU are just applying the rules. I mean, how can the UK sign an outline treaty (ahead of a final sign off) with say the US whereby it relaxes its food standards whilst its still negotiating its arrangement with the EU? There's nothing stopping Liam Fox conducting informal agreements with other countries right now, but we can't sign up to anything.

"How can they demand that any deal means Northern Ireland staying inside the EU, especially when they know NI will never agree to it?"

The customs union needs a customs border. How can we demand that the EU relaxes its customs borders and single market integrity because we chose to leave it? Yes it has a duty of care to Ireland, but it also has a duty of care to all other member states who's lively hoods depends on the integrity of the single market.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:28 - Oct 10 with 796 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 20:19 - Oct 9 by peenemunde

Lord Haw haw is off again.
Brussels calling 🤣


Got anything useful to say you two bob Russian Troll bot?

Interesting details on your comrades now emerging. Still think the Salisbury poisoning was a UK inside job?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:34 - Oct 10 with 790 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Oct 10 by Batterseajack

Nonesense. Its not the EU's fault if vote leave made a whole load of undeliverable promises and the British people voted for it. Vote leave said we could retain all the benefits of the single market but trade freely with the rest of the world and control its own rules on trade and goods. Those two are not compatible without the the EU compromising the integrity of its single market, and why should it do that?


Yes but are they really willing to compromise or happy to ignore what’s actually best for the whole of the EU countries and citizens and cut off their nose to spite their own face. This is something that’s never happened before. In Barniers words ‘what unites us is stronger than what divides us’
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The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Oct 10 with 786 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:34 - Oct 10 by Jango

Yes but are they really willing to compromise or happy to ignore what’s actually best for the whole of the EU countries and citizens and cut off their nose to spite their own face. This is something that’s never happened before. In Barniers words ‘what unites us is stronger than what divides us’


Is it best for the whole EU and single market if there is a week point on the Irish Border? If Britain decides to slash red tape and go undercutting the EU on deals around the world, it will be a smugglers paradise. How can the EU trust any good that comes for Ireland if it has no idea whats crossed the Irish border with Britain?
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The Countdown begins. on 11:12 - Oct 10 with 748 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:42 - Oct 9 by Catullus

This isn't about rules of membership though, this is about an agreement outside of membership.
How is it right that they demand we can't start negotiations with other countries until we've left?
How can they demand that any deal means Northern Ireland staying inside the EU, especially when they know NI will never agree to it?

It's not a negotiation at all, it's a list of demands intended to make my two points happen. The UK has conceded ground on several things but every time the UK does this, the EU throws up more problems.
Why did the EU say a deal was close when according to May it was nowhere near?

You're saying they don't want it to fail but the evidence says otherwise, the EU wants Brexit to be a failure, then there's this,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-senior-german-mep-eu

and the threats over the financial sector that could cause chaos,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/09/bank-england-fires-warning-shot-

For people who want a deal, and said it was close, they seem to be pushing in a different direction even though it could cost Germany alone billions.
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Rules of the club innit. Every member knows that negotiations with third countries are handled by the EU on behalf of all it's members. We have agreed to abide by those rules as long as we are members. Once we've left we can negotiate with whoever we want.

They've repeatedly asked up to come up with an arrangement for NI. We haven't. They've proposed a workable option, we don't have to take it up. Is it a demand? I genuinely don't know.

Hans-Olaf Henkel is the Farage of Germany, I wouldn't expect anything else. Maybe he's right, maybe not. But a lot of what Brexiteers are frothing at the mouth over is stuff we knew about. The EU were always going to protect the EU club. That's why being in it was quite useful - largest trading bloc, largest/second largest economy depending on criteria used, leader in scientific research, etc., etc. I see it as a pretty handy alliance.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:22 - Oct 10 with 740 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 09:28 - Oct 10 by Batterseajack

Got anything useful to say you two bob Russian Troll bot?

Interesting details on your comrades now emerging. Still think the Salisbury poisoning was a UK inside job?


Russian troll, how did you know.....Brussels calling 😂
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The Countdown begins. on 11:32 - Oct 10 with 725 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Oct 10 by Batterseajack

Is it best for the whole EU and single market if there is a week point on the Irish Border? If Britain decides to slash red tape and go undercutting the EU on deals around the world, it will be a smugglers paradise. How can the EU trust any good that comes for Ireland if it has no idea whats crossed the Irish border with Britain?


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brexit-iceberg-solving-irish-border-question-tony

This guy has a little bit of experience on the situation, and he campaigned to remain.

This is worth a read also.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/09/time-destroy-myth-cant-have-free


As I said before, do the EU really want to compromise? Remainers won’t have it because they don’t want a compromise.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:16 - Oct 10 with 710 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 11:32 - Oct 10 by Jango

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brexit-iceberg-solving-irish-border-question-tony

This guy has a little bit of experience on the situation, and he campaigned to remain.

This is worth a read also.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/09/time-destroy-myth-cant-have-free


As I said before, do the EU really want to compromise? Remainers won’t have it because they don’t want a compromise.


So the solution proposed in the first link is something that doesn't currently exist yet, but is in development. It doesn't address the issued raised how goods which fall foul of EU rules because we've relaxed our own rules, can't easily be smuggled in to the EU.

I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cant comment on the second link.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:38 - Oct 10 with 704 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 12:16 - Oct 10 by Batterseajack

So the solution proposed in the first link is something that doesn't currently exist yet, but is in development. It doesn't address the issued raised how goods which fall foul of EU rules because we've relaxed our own rules, can't easily be smuggled in to the EU.

I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cant comment on the second link.


The most important part of that article is

Having worked in the “borders” business for over 45 years now, I can say with some confidence that any agreement around border transformation is entirely achievable with the collaborative will of the countries on either side of it.

If the want it to happen it can happen.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:28 - Oct 10 with 678 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:38 - Oct 10 by Jango

The most important part of that article is

Having worked in the “borders” business for over 45 years now, I can say with some confidence that any agreement around border transformation is entirely achievable with the collaborative will of the countries on either side of it.

If the want it to happen it can happen.


Some detail would be more important.

The single market is indivisible and the UK has signed an agreement that goods can flow freely over the border in Ireland post Brexit.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:38 - Oct 10 by Jango

The most important part of that article is

Having worked in the “borders” business for over 45 years now, I can say with some confidence that any agreement around border transformation is entirely achievable with the collaborative will of the countries on either side of it.

If the want it to happen it can happen.


That's assuming at least one of the countries involved isn't run by complete feckwits.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:36 - Oct 10 with 639 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 12:38 - Oct 10 by Jango

The most important part of that article is

Having worked in the “borders” business for over 45 years now, I can say with some confidence that any agreement around border transformation is entirely achievable with the collaborative will of the countries on either side of it.

If the want it to happen it can happen.


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The Countdown begins. on 20:18 - Oct 10 with 580 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 09:24 - Oct 10 by Batterseajack

"This isn't about rules of membership though, this is about an agreement outside of membership.
How is it right that they demand we can't start negotiations with other countries until we've left?"

EU rules (which we played a part in shaping) state that member countries cannot enter formal negotiations with other countries whilst being a member. Our government (and vote leave) would have known this. The EU are just applying the rules. I mean, how can the UK sign an outline treaty (ahead of a final sign off) with say the US whereby it relaxes its food standards whilst its still negotiating its arrangement with the EU? There's nothing stopping Liam Fox conducting informal agreements with other countries right now, but we can't sign up to anything.

"How can they demand that any deal means Northern Ireland staying inside the EU, especially when they know NI will never agree to it?"

The customs union needs a customs border. How can we demand that the EU relaxes its customs borders and single market integrity because we chose to leave it? Yes it has a duty of care to Ireland, but it also has a duty of care to all other member states who's lively hoods depends on the integrity of the single market.


EU rules, which we helped shape.....that's our hopekess politicians for you, signing us up to a club they were trying to make it too hard to leave. That rule is unfair and unreasonable. You sat Fox can have informal talks yet when he started too, the EU complained,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/25/brexit-deal-uk-eu-trade-pacts

so who decides what is a broad preliminary talk or where it becomes a proper negotiation?

They can have a customs border without keeping NI in the EU, it's a blatant attempt to split the UK up, or make a red line that the UK can never agree to so "no deal" is guaranteed. Or maybe, kmowing the DUP will never agree to it, it's an attempt to oust May and get Corbyn in, they know he'd sell out straight away, at least they think he will.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 21:45 - Oct 10 with 551 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:18 - Oct 10 by Catullus

EU rules, which we helped shape.....that's our hopekess politicians for you, signing us up to a club they were trying to make it too hard to leave. That rule is unfair and unreasonable. You sat Fox can have informal talks yet when he started too, the EU complained,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/25/brexit-deal-uk-eu-trade-pacts

so who decides what is a broad preliminary talk or where it becomes a proper negotiation?

They can have a customs border without keeping NI in the EU, it's a blatant attempt to split the UK up, or make a red line that the UK can never agree to so "no deal" is guaranteed. Or maybe, kmowing the DUP will never agree to it, it's an attempt to oust May and get Corbyn in, they know he'd sell out straight away, at least they think he will.


It’s May who set red lines. Always thought NI would be negotiable. Watch the space. Her calculation will be getting more Labour MP’s to back her deal than Brextreemists who will inevitably vote against it anyway.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:01 - Oct 10 with 520 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:45 - Oct 10 by longlostjack

It’s May who set red lines. Always thought NI would be negotiable. Watch the space. Her calculation will be getting more Labour MP’s to back her deal than Brextreemists who will inevitably vote against it anyway.


Yes.

Big big decision for Labour.

Back the Maybot’s Tory Brexit....?
Or dont back the Maybot’s Tory Brexit ...and risk crashing out on a no deal, with some dullard like Boris or the evil Mogg as PM.

What a choice, the only half sensible person is Keir.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:13 - Oct 10 with 513 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 20:18 - Oct 10 by Catullus

EU rules, which we helped shape.....that's our hopekess politicians for you, signing us up to a club they were trying to make it too hard to leave. That rule is unfair and unreasonable. You sat Fox can have informal talks yet when he started too, the EU complained,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/25/brexit-deal-uk-eu-trade-pacts

so who decides what is a broad preliminary talk or where it becomes a proper negotiation?

They can have a customs border without keeping NI in the EU, it's a blatant attempt to split the UK up, or make a red line that the UK can never agree to so "no deal" is guaranteed. Or maybe, kmowing the DUP will never agree to it, it's an attempt to oust May and get Corbyn in, they know he'd sell out straight away, at least they think he will.


It's easy to leave - you just leave. The trouble is it will hurt us to 'just leave' because the benefits of membership are so great, so we don't want to. But it's got nothing to do with being hard or impossible to leave - we could just say 'bye', but it would be political suicide once the impacts kick in.


Anyway, I've thought long and hard about all of this Brexit shenanigans and I've come to the conclusion the whole thing and all the arguments around are a load of bollox. We should all have far more important things to worry about.
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You're clearly favouring a Trumpesque type wall across the border there Warwick but who's going to pay ?

We shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush you know!

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The Countdown begins. on 00:00 - Oct 11 with 502 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:13 - Oct 10 by LeonWasGod

It's easy to leave - you just leave. The trouble is it will hurt us to 'just leave' because the benefits of membership are so great, so we don't want to. But it's got nothing to do with being hard or impossible to leave - we could just say 'bye', but it would be political suicide once the impacts kick in.


Anyway, I've thought long and hard about all of this Brexit shenanigans and I've come to the conclusion the whole thing and all the arguments around are a load of bollox. We should all have far more important things to worry about.


Yes what a fecking waste of time and money.

Imagine if the b@stards focused on homelessness to the same extent ?
Could make a huge difference.

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The Countdown begins. on 00:13 - Oct 11 with 497 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 00:00 - Oct 11 by Kilkennyjack

Yes what a fecking waste of time and money.

Imagine if the b@stards focused on homelessness to the same extent ?
Could make a huge difference.


Hahahahaha...Tories...focus...on...homelessness...


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Today's news.

THERESA MAY will today ask her Brexit “war Cabinet” to agree a backstop plan that would keep Britain in a customs union with Brussels until a permanent trade deal can be agreed.
British and EU negotiators are understood to have agreed in principle to an all-UK backstop plan to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland that would remove the final major obstacle blocking a withdrawal agreement.

Mrs May’s proposal would involve the whole of the UK remaining in a customs union with the EU while negotiations over a free trade deal take place, which Brexiteers fear could take years.

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