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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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EU may offer British PM a UK-wide customs union
RTE, Updated / Tuesday, 23 Oct 2018 13:06

The EU will offer British Prime Theresa May a UK-wide customs union as a way around the Irish backstop issue, but it will have to be negotiated beyond the Withdrawal Agreement as a separate treaty, RTร‰ News understands.

The Withdrawal Agreement will contain a specific commitment to a UK-wide customs arrangement by way of a legal article, but that commitment will say that a formal EU-UK customs union will require a separate agreement.

However, the EU, and the Irish Government still insist that a Northern Ireland-specific backstop remains in place, even if a separate UK-wide customs arrangement is negotiated.

London has long sought a UK-wide customs arrangement as a way to avoid customs checks on both the Irish land border and along the Irish Sea.

Re-worked elements of the draft Withdrawal Treaty have been seen by RTร‰ News.

They appear to be in conflict with the Mrs Mayโ€™s demand that the Withdrawal Agreement contain a UK-wide customs backstop that is "legally-binding" and temporary, and her position that a Northern Ireland-specific backstop remains "unacceptable".

It is not clear that London will be content with a legal "commitment" to arrange a UK-wide customs backstop if it has to be negotiated as a stand-alone agreement that sits outside the Withdrawal Agreement.

Yesterday in the House of Commons, Mrs May outlined four steps that the UK was demanding in order for an agreement to be reached, including "the commitment to a temporary UK-EU joint customs territory legally binding, so the Northern Ireland only proposal is no longer needed."

RTร‰ News understands that the promise of a UK-wide customs backstop will feature prominently near the top of a re-drafted Withdrawal Agreement, and that previous references to Northern Ireland being part of the EU's "customs territory" will be dropped.

Northern Ireland will be referred to in more oblique terms further down the text, according to a draft.

However, the text will say that in the event of the Northern-Ireland specific backstop coming into effect, a separate annexe will set out how that would work.

That annexe will refer to the EU's Union Customs Code (UCC) applying in Northern Ireland, according to a draft text.
These drafts could change further when negotiations resume.

Customs remains the most sensitive issue in the negotiations, with the UK regarding any customs differential between Northern Ireland and the UK as unacceptable, and tantamount to having a customs border along the Irish Sea.

The European Commission has been attempting to "de-dramatise" the issue, by suggesting customs checks on goods between Britain and Northern Ireland could be electronically pre-cleared away from ports, and through the use of scanning and barcode technology.

While the EU has shifted its position to accommodating a UK-wide customs arrangement, it seems certain it will not be agreed and finalised within the Withdrawal treaty.

Officials say such an agreement would be highly complex, and would take some time to negotiate.

"That's complicated," one EU source told RTร‰ News. "It's much more complicated than it sounds.

"The first point is the legal basis. You can't do it under Article 50. That's always been our stance. The second point is the practical aspects. It's very complicated to work out all the details in a short period of time. These things need to be negotiated properly."

The EU will want to know which part of the Union Customs Code acquis (body of law) the UK is willing to swallow in order to be part of such a customs union.

In particular, it would have to be decided whether or not the UK will seek to negotiate, sign and implement its own trade deals, or whether it will still avail of free trade agreements (FTAs) the EU currently has with third countries.

The EU will also need to know whether, as it continues to negotiate its own trade deals around the world, it is doing so on behalf of 27 or 28 countries.

The other problem is that the only off-the-shelf arrangement the EU operates, aside from its own, is a customs union with Turkey.

The EU-Turkey customs union does not absolve Ankara of having to carry out checks for regulatory compliance.

Furthermore, Turkey must abide by EU-third country trade agreements, but not in a reciprocal way.

In the case of the EU-Canada trade deal (CETA), Turkey has to allow Canadian goods into its market on the same terms as they enter the EU, but Turkish goods are not given the same privileged access to the Canadian market.

"The EU-Turkey Customs Union has lots of issues," says the source. "Those are bound to be raised. But it's very difficult right now under the pressure of time, in the current context of the [Withdrawal Agreement] negotiations."

The other problem is regulatory compliance.

In order to avoid checks for industrial goods, live animals and food products on the Irish border, there would have to be alignment of the EU's single market rules.

However, a UK-wide backstop does not address that issue, implying that some kinds of checks would be required between GB and Northern Ireland.

EU officials were taken aback by Mrs May's very public new red lines, as there was an expectation that any new ideas would have been presented in private by the British negotiating team, who had been operating with their EU counterparts in highly secretive conditions in the run up to the last summit.

EU sources say member states will want to see firm details of the proposal Theresa May outlined in the House of Commons.

It is expected that the British negotiating team, lead by Mrs May's Europe advisor Olly Robbins, will return to Brussels shortly to details of the new UK demands

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1023/1006113-brexit/


I can imagine there are people discussing the the pros and cons of that latest proposal in pubs up and down the country at this very moment.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:39 - Oct 23 by Catullus

Which part is nonsense, the non aggression pact or operation Barbarossa?

Well neither is nonsense obviously which makes your response absolute nonsense.

23 August 1939 Germany and Russia sign a ten year non aggression pact, 22 June 1941 Germany invades Russia.

Hitler had a respect for the Englsih/British after his time as a "runner" in WW1 but he was said to have regarded the English as the main enemy. He would apparently have chosen us as Allies over the Italians but we wouldn't be his allies and promised to defend Polish territorial integrity, so the mould was cast.
Hardly any English politician felt they could trust Hitlers promises, our choice was be his allies or be his enemy.
Now this is right off topic so lets leave it there.


The bit about Germany not intending to invade the USSR.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:37 - Oct 23 with 770 viewsShaky

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The bit about Germany not intending to invade the USSR.


Think we must defer on the subject of Penny's specialist subject, the history and policies of the Third Reich. It's what really get's his juices flowing.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:33 - Oct 23 with 723 viewsShaky

Buh-bye Paul Dacre, hello a semblance of rationality at the Daily Mail:
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DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Saboteurs endangering our nation
By Daily Mail Comment, 07:46, 23 October 2018

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6305601/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Saboteurs-

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Buh-bye Paul Dacre, hello a semblance of rationality at the Daily Mail:
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DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Saboteurs endangering our nation
By Daily Mail Comment, 07:46, 23 October 2018

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6305601/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Saboteurs-


It just goes to show that the disgrace of a so called newspaper that was the Daily Mail was down to one man, the shit Dacre.

All of a sudden, within weeks of him going it becomes an almost readable paper again.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:40 - Oct 23 with 711 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Oct 23 by johnlangy

It just goes to show that the disgrace of a so called newspaper that was the Daily Mail was down to one man, the shit Dacre.

All of a sudden, within weeks of him going it becomes an almost readable paper again.


And a man politically in the image of his former boss, the old Nazi Lord Rothermere.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Oct 23 by johnlangy

It just goes to show that the disgrace of a so called newspaper that was the Daily Mail was down to one man, the shit Dacre.

All of a sudden, within weeks of him going it becomes an almost readable paper again.


Ha ha ha

So when it says something you agree on its an OK newspaper.

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Suck it up you remoaner losers.

Not long now lads.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:55 - Oct 23 with 670 viewstrampie

The English are prepared to break the union apart as a price for Brexit, Brexit is more important to the English than the union, that is what recent surveys by experts tell us, they don't want to contribute to poorer parts of the union state either.

This could be the start of the end of the union - Wales will be the first and last piece of the union state.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:54 - Oct 23 with 605 viewsKilkennyjack


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The Countdown begins. on 07:47 - Oct 24 with 562 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:29 - Oct 24 with 547 viewsLegend83

Meanwhile, despite Brexit and the prospect of the UK imploding...

https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2018/october/alexander-dennis-wins-b
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The Countdown begins. on 10:32 - Oct 24 with 527 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 15:00 - Oct 23 by peenemunde

The bit about Germany not intending to invade the USSR.


WHOOSH, really, WHOOSH. That was the whole point of the post, Hitler made promises he had no intention of keeping, he was always going to invade Russia.

He didn't keep promises, he said things he didn't mean for political gain.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 10:32 - Oct 24 by Catullus

WHOOSH, really, WHOOSH. That was the whole point of the post, Hitler made promises he had no intention of keeping, he was always going to invade Russia.

He didn't keep promises, he said things he didn't mean for political gain.


It seems to have gone over your head too, that hitler never had any intentions of going to war with GB regardless of any peace treaty that may have been signed.
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The Countdown begins. on 06:33 - Oct 23 by peenemunde

Absolute nonsense. Germany had no intention of going to war with the British.
Hitler even promised German troops to protect British overseas territories, if the British stayed out of the war. Rudolf Hess even flew into Britain on a mission of peace.


But youโ€™ve just stated, correctly, that Hitler always intended to invade Russia yet you are convinced that heโ€™d have kept his promises to GB. Weird.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:17 - Oct 25 with 367 viewsCatullus

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It seems to have gone over your head too, that hitler never had any intentions of going to war with GB regardless of any peace treaty that may have been signed.


Whoosh again, why should a Nazi promise to Britain be any more a guaranteed thing than Nazi promises to Russia? Besides which, you forget Chamberlain and his "peace for our time" agreement, another worthless promise by Hitler,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

You are completely blinkered.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:24 - Oct 25 with 364 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 10:17 - Oct 25 by Catullus

Whoosh again, why should a Nazi promise to Britain be any more a guaranteed thing than Nazi promises to Russia? Besides which, you forget Chamberlain and his "peace for our time" agreement, another worthless promise by Hitler,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

You are completely blinkered.


Because there were many Nazi sympathisers in Britain, especially among the ruling aristocracy.

Rudolph Hess flew to Britain on the assumption that peace could be brokered, at a time when Germany had the upper hand in the war. He had some grounds for that belief.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Oct 25 with 354 viewsLegend83

UK extends it's lead as Europe's technology capital.

http://www.cityam.com/266515/uk-extends-its-lead-europes-established-tech-unicor
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UK extends it's lead as Europe's technology capital.

http://www.cityam.com/266515/uk-extends-its-lead-europes-established-tech-unicor


David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, said: "Thereโ€™s never been a better time to be involved in UK tech, with so many great companies coming through the pipeline.


That will hurt some on here.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:49 - Oct 25 with 296 viewsKilkennyjack



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The Countdown begins. on 18:02 - Oct 25 with 289 viewsCatullus

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Because there were many Nazi sympathisers in Britain, especially among the ruling aristocracy.

Rudolph Hess flew to Britain on the assumption that peace could be brokered, at a time when Germany had the upper hand in the war. He had some grounds for that belief.


Except Hitler knew nothing of Hess's mission. 75 years later and people are still arguing over why Hess came.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/will-we-ever-know-why-nazi-leader-rudolf-

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The Countdown begins. on 18:23 - Oct 25 with 268 viewsShaky

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Except Hitler knew nothing of Hess's mission. 75 years later and people are still arguing over why Hess came.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/will-we-ever-know-why-nazi-leader-rudolf-


Hess was deputy fuhrer and had significant powers through his own office.

He was fully aware of the plans to attack Russia, which is why he made the trip to Britain beforehand to seek peace, rightly fearing Germany could not win a war on 2 fronts.

Which is where I believe this discussion started.

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Hess was deputy fuhrer and had significant powers through his own office.

He was fully aware of the plans to attack Russia, which is why he made the trip to Britain beforehand to seek peace, rightly fearing Germany could not win a war on 2 fronts.

Which is where I believe this discussion started.


He ended up in Maindiff Court for a while Shaky. No evidence to suggest that it was sanctioned by Mr. H. Might have been a deniable operation of course. Was it really Hess who was banged up in Spandau? Maybe a Hess thread is needed. Pikey would like to get it back to Brexit Iโ€™m sure.

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