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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Nov 11 with 411 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 09:00 - Nov 11 by WarwickHunt

They aren鈥檛 involved in the negotiations, you thick tw脿t. Davis, Raab and May have f没cked it up all on their lonesomes.


It's not difficult to understand is if?

It's almost as if they are looking for someone to blame...

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The Countdown begins. on 09:18 - Nov 11 with 402 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:00 - Nov 11 by WarwickHunt

They aren鈥檛 involved in the negotiations, you thick tw脿t. Davis, Raab and May have f没cked it up all on their lonesomes.


The EU don鈥檛 want us to leave. The remainer MPs are shouting from the hilltops that they鈥檒l reject pretty much any deal or no deal whichever it is. Do you think the EU are not taking this on board?? That really isnt hard to understand. Thick tw*t
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The Countdown begins. on 09:20 - Nov 11 with 399 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:18 - Nov 11 by Jango

The EU don鈥檛 want us to leave. The remainer MPs are shouting from the hilltops that they鈥檒l reject pretty much any deal or no deal whichever it is. Do you think the EU are not taking this on board?? That really isnt hard to understand. Thick tw*t


Wibble.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:22 - Nov 11 with 394 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 08:40 - Nov 11 by Gowerjack

He has a better understanding than you.

Clearly.


Don鈥檛 doubt it. I highly doubt that all remainers in this thread know far better than all the professionals involved in the negotiations behind the scenes like they think they do.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Nov 11 with 386 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:20 - Nov 11 by WarwickHunt

Wibble.


A bloke is selling his car to a bloke down the road, I walk up and throw paint all over the car. The bloke no longer wants the car. Nothing to do with me mate I wasn鈥檛 involved in the negotiations.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:31 - Nov 11 with 380 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:22 - Nov 11 by Jango

Don鈥檛 doubt it. I highly doubt that all remainers in this thread know far better than all the professionals involved in the negotiations behind the scenes like they think they do.


They鈥檙e doing a great job, aren鈥檛 they?

If only those pesky remainers criticising their abject f没cking stupidity would stop interfering and let them get on with the biggest act of economic self-harming in history, eh?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 11 with 379 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Nov 11 by Jango

A bloke is selling his car to a bloke down the road, I walk up and throw paint all over the car. The bloke no longer wants the car. Nothing to do with me mate I wasn鈥檛 involved in the negotiations.


F没ck me - you鈥檙e thick.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 11 with 377 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Nov 11 by Jango

A bloke is selling his car to a bloke down the road, I walk up and throw paint all over the car. The bloke no longer wants the car. Nothing to do with me mate I wasn鈥檛 involved in the negotiations.


Perhaps those MPs who have said they鈥檒l vote against the deal will do so because it鈥檚 a crap deal.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:37 - Nov 11 with 374 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 11 by exiledclaseboy

Perhaps those MPs who have said they鈥檒l vote against the deal will do so because it鈥檚 a crap deal.


But what about the car, mun!
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The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Nov 11 with 367 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 11 by WarwickHunt

F没ck me - you鈥檙e thick.


Im not the one suggesting you have to be sat around the negatiation table to have effect on the final outcome.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Nov 11 with 360 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Nov 11 by Jango

Im not the one suggesting you have to be sat around the negatiation table to have effect on the final outcome.
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Is the car badly damaged, Einstein?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:53 - Nov 11 with 356 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Nov 11 by WarwickHunt

Is the car badly damaged, Einstein?


Just needs respray. You鈥檒l have to be quick though, there鈥檒l be no paint in the country after brexit.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:54 - Nov 11 with 356 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 11 by exiledclaseboy

Perhaps those MPs who have said they鈥檒l vote against the deal will do so because it鈥檚 a crap deal.


Maybe that's true but Labour stated ages go they'd vote against any deal that didn't meet their 6 tests, one of those tests is,

Does it deliver the 鈥渆xact same benefits鈥 as we currently have as members of the single market and customs union?

There is no deal that will deliver the exact same benefits, the EU has said we can't cherry pick and to get the exact same benefits we must remain as members so there is no deal the EU can offer that will see Labour vote for it. Therefore, under any circumstance the deal won't get through parliament.

I'm watching Thornberry on the Marr show now and she has just said if the government cannot deliver a deal then call a general electiion and let a party govern that can get a deal. This is just Labour using brexit to try and force a GE, to try and oust the Tories no matter the harm it is doing the country.
Marr just had to expalin statutes and motions to Thornberry and why there will be no choice, currently if labour vote down any deal, but a no deal.
Marr also just read out the EU position that no third country can have the exact same benefits as a member and Thornberry just said that Labour will manage it. Then she accepted we won't get the exact same benefits, she's contradicted herself.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 10:02 - Nov 11 with 350 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 09:54 - Nov 11 by Catullus

Maybe that's true but Labour stated ages go they'd vote against any deal that didn't meet their 6 tests, one of those tests is,

Does it deliver the 鈥渆xact same benefits鈥 as we currently have as members of the single market and customs union?

There is no deal that will deliver the exact same benefits, the EU has said we can't cherry pick and to get the exact same benefits we must remain as members so there is no deal the EU can offer that will see Labour vote for it. Therefore, under any circumstance the deal won't get through parliament.

I'm watching Thornberry on the Marr show now and she has just said if the government cannot deliver a deal then call a general electiion and let a party govern that can get a deal. This is just Labour using brexit to try and force a GE, to try and oust the Tories no matter the harm it is doing the country.
Marr just had to expalin statutes and motions to Thornberry and why there will be no choice, currently if labour vote down any deal, but a no deal.
Marr also just read out the EU position that no third country can have the exact same benefits as a member and Thornberry just said that Labour will manage it. Then she accepted we won't get the exact same benefits, she's contradicted herself.


Yeah I鈥檓 not sure why you鈥檙e telling me that labour are useless. I鈥檓 well aware of that. They ain鈥檛 negotiating though.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:13 - Nov 11 with 341 viewspikeypaul

Labour will vote against ANY deal putting party interests anove the country interests we all know that.

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No deal is coming home thanks to the remoaners.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Nov 11 with 336 viewsexiledclaseboy

Andrea Leadsom is on 5Live right now making absolutely no sense at all.

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The Countdown begins. on 11:19 - Nov 11 with 306 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Nov 11 by exiledclaseboy

Andrea Leadsom is on 5Live right now making absolutely no sense at all.


Like David Davies you mean..?

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The Countdown begins. on 11:39 - Nov 11 with 301 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 11:19 - Nov 11 by Gowerjack

Like David Davies you mean..?


Actually worse given that as Leader of the House she鈥檚 blatantly responsible for manipulating parliamentary process to ensure whatever scabby 鈥渄eal鈥 May eventually cobbles together either gets approved or parliament鈥檚 view is ignored.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Nov 11 with 263 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 10:02 - Nov 11 by exiledclaseboy

Yeah I鈥檓 not sure why you鈥檙e telling me that labour are useless. I鈥檓 well aware of that. They ain鈥檛 negotiating though.


The point is that whatever deal May comes back with it won't get through parliament because of that one test.
So Labour. for all the posturing of Starmer and Thornberry are going to be responsible for a no deal.
Well, when I say responsible, of course the Tory feckwits are just as responsible.

To be fair Clasie, you have to accept that I'm always saying they are all useless. It's the hypocrisy of it that stinks. Labour are openly using brexit to try and force a GE. They're not worried about what effect it has on the country as long as they gain from it.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 13:45 - Nov 11 with 259 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Nov 11 by Catullus

The point is that whatever deal May comes back with it won't get through parliament because of that one test.
So Labour. for all the posturing of Starmer and Thornberry are going to be responsible for a no deal.
Well, when I say responsible, of course the Tory feckwits are just as responsible.

To be fair Clasie, you have to accept that I'm always saying they are all useless. It's the hypocrisy of it that stinks. Labour are openly using brexit to try and force a GE. They're not worried about what effect it has on the country as long as they gain from it.


Aye - because Brexit is going to be sooooo good for the country, innit?

Anyway, it's a Tory party mess of their own making - if they and their DUP mates weren't divided it wouldn't matter how Labour voted.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:52 - Nov 11 with 255 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Nov 11 by Catullus

The point is that whatever deal May comes back with it won't get through parliament because of that one test.
So Labour. for all the posturing of Starmer and Thornberry are going to be responsible for a no deal.
Well, when I say responsible, of course the Tory feckwits are just as responsible.

To be fair Clasie, you have to accept that I'm always saying they are all useless. It's the hypocrisy of it that stinks. Labour are openly using brexit to try and force a GE. They're not worried about what effect it has on the country as long as they gain from it.


You lost me at 鈥渘o deal will be labour鈥檚 fault鈥.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:30 - Nov 11 with 224 viewskrunchykarrot

The Countdown begins. on 19:58 - Nov 10 by Jango

No, you鈥檙e ignoring the fact that the vote was a part of the Tory manifesto, it won them the election, over 90% of MPs then voted in favour of the referendum which was touted many times as being a once in a lifetime vote by the then prime minister. Leave won the Vote. End of chat. It鈥檚 鈥榝***ing idiots鈥 like you that鈥檚 kept on and on for 2 years that鈥檚 got the negotiations in such a mess.
They go on many things on the manifesto, that鈥檚 always happened. Refusing to accept the biggest ever democratic is scandalous and you don鈥檛 care because you鈥檙e one of the numpties that can鈥檛 acceot it.


Bravo, well said couldnt have put it better myself.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:36 - Nov 11 with 223 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 13:52 - Nov 11 by exiledclaseboy

You lost me at 鈥渘o deal will be labour鈥檚 fault鈥.


Really, surely you can understand that Labours tests can never be passed by any deal May gets, given that there are enough Tory remainers, if labour vote down any deal which fails their tests it means no deal.
We all know most MP's are remainers even when their constituency voted leave. Vote down the deal under any circumstance and it means no deal.

Not that it matters now because may has been told no by the EU and there isn't time now for a whole new approach.
I've wondered a few times, gone back and fore but way back months ago I wondered if the EU always wanted a no deal scenario, either to punish us for choosing leave or in the hopes that brexit would be stopped. Either way it looks like we are there. No deal is looming large. It seems to me the Irish border issue was just the excuse the EU needed or wanted. By adopting the position they did it meant we'd never get a deal unless we shafted the irish and doing that meant splitting the Tory/DUP alliance which probably meant May losing the vote anyway.
In short, the way things went, all roads led to no deal.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 15:45 - Nov 11 with 216 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 15:36 - Nov 11 by Catullus

Really, surely you can understand that Labours tests can never be passed by any deal May gets, given that there are enough Tory remainers, if labour vote down any deal which fails their tests it means no deal.
We all know most MP's are remainers even when their constituency voted leave. Vote down the deal under any circumstance and it means no deal.

Not that it matters now because may has been told no by the EU and there isn't time now for a whole new approach.
I've wondered a few times, gone back and fore but way back months ago I wondered if the EU always wanted a no deal scenario, either to punish us for choosing leave or in the hopes that brexit would be stopped. Either way it looks like we are there. No deal is looming large. It seems to me the Irish border issue was just the excuse the EU needed or wanted. By adopting the position they did it meant we'd never get a deal unless we shafted the irish and doing that meant splitting the Tory/DUP alliance which probably meant May losing the vote anyway.
In short, the way things went, all roads led to no deal.


So how will it be Labour鈥檚 fault? What about the Tory remainers you mentioned? Or the DUP if they end up voting against? The SNP? Libdems? Or even the government itself if it presents a deal no reasonable Parliament can support?

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The Countdown begins. on 15:57 - Nov 11 with 206 viewsKilkennyjack

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