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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:09 - Nov 18 with 630 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 16:45 - Nov 18 by bluey_the_blue

It doesn't give them the whip hand.

An opposition, including within the Tory party wanting to explicitly exclude "no deal" meaning they would accept *any* deal weakens Britain's position.

No wonder they wanted to speak to Starmer!


There is no better deal. There couldn’t be - regardless of how it would be received or what the opposition was.

It was always going to be a massive shit sandwich, the EU would always dictate how much shit was in it.

Brittania no longer rules the waves. Suck it up etc.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:21 - Nov 18 with 613 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 15:30 - Nov 18 by WarwickHunt

Labour, with a few honourable exceptions, have been a disgrace over Brexit.
Saint Jezza in particular.


Why is Jezza a disgrace?

He's always been anti-EU as are the unions. Two major reasons being unskilled cheap labour taking British jobs and Eu rules banning the state subsidies he'd need to support his nationalisation plans.

The disgrace you could pin on him would be his claims to have "campaigned" for Remain ( half-hearted at best ) and the way he's kinda encouraged people to believe he'd Remain / get a great deal by not really saying anything of note.

The bigger disgrace is those blindly following Corbyn without doing any basic research on his views and voting patterns.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:24 - Nov 18 with 606 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:09 - Nov 18 by WarwickHunt

There is no better deal. There couldn’t be - regardless of how it would be received or what the opposition was.

It was always going to be a massive shit sandwich, the EU would always dictate how much shit was in it.

Brittania no longer rules the waves. Suck it up etc.


No, you're taking "better deal" at point X in the timeline. Once leaving, the ball game changes especially with ability to negotiate own deals.

What's more important to me is the longer term, not the short term. That's why for me "no deal" is something that should absolutely be on the table.

Removing "no deal" from the table simply means "we'll accept any deal". It's a pathetically weak negotiating position. You've told the other party they don't need to be motivated to make any meaningful concessions - no deal would hit EU as well, after all.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Nov 18 with 597 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 17:24 - Nov 18 by bluey_the_blue

No, you're taking "better deal" at point X in the timeline. Once leaving, the ball game changes especially with ability to negotiate own deals.

What's more important to me is the longer term, not the short term. That's why for me "no deal" is something that should absolutely be on the table.

Removing "no deal" from the table simply means "we'll accept any deal". It's a pathetically weak negotiating position. You've told the other party they don't need to be motivated to make any meaningful concessions - no deal would hit EU as well, after all.


The “negotiated” deal and how it came about is what we’re talking about. It’s done. There is no “timeline”.

Who removed “no deal” from the table and how exactly did they do this?
According to May this week there’s her deal, no deal or no Brexit.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:41 - Nov 18 with 590 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Nov 18 by WarwickHunt

The “negotiated” deal and how it came about is what we’re talking about. It’s done. There is no “timeline”.

Who removed “no deal” from the table and how exactly did they do this?
According to May this week there’s her deal, no deal or no Brexit.


Of course there's a timeline. The deal is what it is. That can only really be framed, with hindsight, years down the line - where external factors influence that determinations, ie if we lose something via this deal, would that be offset via benefits from negotiating own deals externally.

There are many politicians working to prevent a "no deal" brexit, trying to prevent that happening, The interpretation being, accept any deal.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:42 - Nov 18 with 586 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 17:41 - Nov 18 by bluey_the_blue

Of course there's a timeline. The deal is what it is. That can only really be framed, with hindsight, years down the line - where external factors influence that determinations, ie if we lose something via this deal, would that be offset via benefits from negotiating own deals externally.

There are many politicians working to prevent a "no deal" brexit, trying to prevent that happening, The interpretation being, accept any deal.


May spent the last two years saying “no deal is better than a bad deal”. No one took no deal off the table. It’s just a really stupid idea.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:52 - Nov 18 with 571 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:42 - Nov 18 by exiledclaseboy

May spent the last two years saying “no deal is better than a bad deal”. No one took no deal off the table. It’s just a really stupid idea.


There are plenty fighting against "no deal". EU aren't speaking to Starmer for their love of the way he persecuted someone making a stupid joke about blowing up Robin Hood airport after all.

Worst case scenario would be a parliamentary vote on an amendment backing "extend transition until a deal is reached".
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The Countdown begins. on 17:59 - Nov 18 with 564 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 17:41 - Nov 18 by bluey_the_blue

Of course there's a timeline. The deal is what it is. That can only really be framed, with hindsight, years down the line - where external factors influence that determinations, ie if we lose something via this deal, would that be offset via benefits from negotiating own deals externally.

There are many politicians working to prevent a "no deal" brexit, trying to prevent that happening, The interpretation being, accept any deal.


Any chance you could put that into English, Bluey?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:02 - Nov 18 with 558 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 17:52 - Nov 18 by bluey_the_blue

There are plenty fighting against "no deal". EU aren't speaking to Starmer for their love of the way he persecuted someone making a stupid joke about blowing up Robin Hood airport after all.

Worst case scenario would be a parliamentary vote on an amendment backing "extend transition until a deal is reached".


The EU has said that the longest it’s prepared to extend the transition period for is to the end of 2022. And if you think that’s the worst case scenario you haven’t been paying attention.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:07 - Nov 18 with 553 viewslonglostjack

Interesting that the EU is mistrusted as a neo-liberal project by Corbyn while the Brexiteers see the EU as a threat to their dream of a neo-liberal UK.

The EU is obviously doing something right.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:31 - Nov 18 with 534 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 18:02 - Nov 18 by exiledclaseboy

The EU has said that the longest it’s prepared to extend the transition period for is to the end of 2022. And if you think that’s the worst case scenario you haven’t been paying attention.


It's only the worst case scenario if you're at Timeline X. Or something.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:51 - Nov 18 with 493 viewsGowerjack

Immigration eh..

You couldn't make this shît up.


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The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Nov 18 with 443 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 19:51 - Nov 18 by Gowerjack

Immigration eh..

You couldn't make this shît up.



Schrodinger's border controls.

according to May we are leaving to take back control of our borders.

Yet in 2016, when she was home secretary, she said we already had control of our borders.

When I returned from a nice holiday in Spain the other day, at the Airport I had to pass through UK border control. A number of border control officers took quite some time checking in detail the passports of everybody, including children, on a flight from Malaga to Cardiff.


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The Countdown begins. on 01:36 - Nov 19 with 378 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 19:51 - Nov 18 by Gowerjack

Immigration eh..

You couldn't make this shît up.



That's exactly what they did...make shlt up!

The French and Germans have utilised the EU rules on migration and benefits yet al Britain did was eff-all and blame the EU rules...Deluded and/or deliberate!

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The Countdown begins. on 09:12 - Nov 19 with 319 viewsmajorraglan

The Countdown begins. on 01:36 - Nov 19 by DJack

That's exactly what they did...make shlt up!

The French and Germans have utilised the EU rules on migration and benefits yet al Britain did was eff-all and blame the EU rules...Deluded and/or deliberate!


Could this be because successive governments have decided its easier to ignore the issues and blame someone else instead of actually grasping the nettle and sorting things out. To address issues you need effective governance, structures and methods of working, I think we are short of some of those at the Home Office.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Nov 19 with 308 viewspikeypaul

I apologise for the lack of updates to the countdown to the great day we leave the EU.

Returning on the train at present from 3 great days in London to the beauty and tranquility of Gower something London can not get close to.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:41 - Nov 19 with 303 viewsShaky

What a schmuck:


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The Countdown begins. on 09:52 - Nov 19 with 294 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 18:07 - Nov 18 by longlostjack

Interesting that the EU is mistrusted as a neo-liberal project by Corbyn while the Brexiteers see the EU as a threat to their dream of a neo-liberal UK.

The EU is obviously doing something right.
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Really? because I am fed up of all this neo-Liberal claptrap, wherever it comes from.

Corbyn is a disgrace because he has been using the situation to try and displace the Tories, to try and force a general election which is only in his best interest. It was also Corbyn who took 'no deal' off the table when he said he wouldn't leave the EU without a deal,

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-will-absolutely-oppose-no-deal-b

His views on the EU change frequently, depending on which way the wind is blowing,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35743994

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The Countdown begins. on 10:06 - Nov 19 with 282 viewswaynekerr55

The Countdown begins. on 09:41 - Nov 19 by Shaky

What a schmuck:



Uncle Jez can do no wrong Shaky, keep up mun.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:08 - Nov 19 with 281 viewswaynekerr55

The Countdown begins. on 09:52 - Nov 19 by Catullus

Really? because I am fed up of all this neo-Liberal claptrap, wherever it comes from.

Corbyn is a disgrace because he has been using the situation to try and displace the Tories, to try and force a general election which is only in his best interest. It was also Corbyn who took 'no deal' off the table when he said he wouldn't leave the EU without a deal,

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-will-absolutely-oppose-no-deal-b

His views on the EU change frequently, depending on which way the wind is blowing,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35743994


Jez is kinder and more gentle, how dare you accuse this principled fella of putting himself first, he would never do such a thing...

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The Countdown begins. on 10:14 - Nov 19 with 275 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Nov 18 by sherpajacob

Schrodinger's border controls.

according to May we are leaving to take back control of our borders.

Yet in 2016, when she was home secretary, she said we already had control of our borders.

When I returned from a nice holiday in Spain the other day, at the Airport I had to pass through UK border control. A number of border control officers took quite some time checking in detail the passports of everybody, including children, on a flight from Malaga to Cardiff.


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Yes Minister didn't come close to the absurdity of the reality.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:21 - Nov 19 with 270 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 10:08 - Nov 19 by waynekerr55

Jez is kinder and more gentle, how dare you accuse this principled fella of putting himself first, he would never do such a thing...


Given the way things are panning out, I'm considering a change of direction. How about we have a referendum on dumping Westminster and the devolved governments and let the EU run us?
Things couldn't possibly be any worse, surely!

That post of Shaky's, on the Marr show yesterday Sami Chakrabarti said the same thing, Labour believes it can get a better deal, it's their view.
Corbyn's official line is Labour will never leave without a deal and that they can get a deal with the same benefits as being a member despite the EU saying we can't. The worst things I can say about May is she is useless and incompetent but Corbyn is downright deluded, his roof is missing a few tiles, a sandwich short yet people believe him.

For the record, if they change the clause about leaving and make it so we don't need the agreement of all 27 member states then I'd take this deal. It's time for a pragmatic choice, any Parliamentary self interested voting will only cause a no deal to happen. Mind you, a no deal could cause a real shake up in UK politics, maybe people will finally see through the BS that's been perpetrated on us by career politicians and vote for real change! I live in hope.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:44 - Nov 19 with 260 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:41 - Nov 19 by Shaky

What a schmuck:



Like I said, a fûcking disgrace.

More fantasy guff from the idiot. Honest politician my arse.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:44 - Nov 19 with 260 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:21 - Nov 19 by Catullus

Given the way things are panning out, I'm considering a change of direction. How about we have a referendum on dumping Westminster and the devolved governments and let the EU run us?
Things couldn't possibly be any worse, surely!

That post of Shaky's, on the Marr show yesterday Sami Chakrabarti said the same thing, Labour believes it can get a better deal, it's their view.
Corbyn's official line is Labour will never leave without a deal and that they can get a deal with the same benefits as being a member despite the EU saying we can't. The worst things I can say about May is she is useless and incompetent but Corbyn is downright deluded, his roof is missing a few tiles, a sandwich short yet people believe him.

For the record, if they change the clause about leaving and make it so we don't need the agreement of all 27 member states then I'd take this deal. It's time for a pragmatic choice, any Parliamentary self interested voting will only cause a no deal to happen. Mind you, a no deal could cause a real shake up in UK politics, maybe people will finally see through the BS that's been perpetrated on us by career politicians and vote for real change! I live in hope.


Something has to change, I think that’s the one thing we can all agree on.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:45 - Nov 19 with 257 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Nov 19 by pikeypaul

I apologise for the lack of updates to the countdown to the great day we leave the EU.

Returning on the train at present from 3 great days in London to the beauty and tranquility of Gower something London can not get close to.

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SIUYRL


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