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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:50 - Nov 26 with 661 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 15:53 - Nov 26 by Catullus

Cyprus is a member of the EU. It wasn't me who said anything about any invasion.

The EU was allegedly set up as a trading bloc, unless you are agreeing that everybody was lied to way back then?

Russia has had heavy sanctions imposed for it's transgressions but Putin doesn't cave so easily and as always in these things it's the ordinary people who pay the price of these sanctions.
It's like austerity here, the rich didn't suffer but the poor certainly did. To the people in charge politics is just a game and the ordinary people don't really count.


The EU originated with the Schuman declaration and the treaty of Paris which established European cooperation over the production of coal and steel. These products were specifically chosen as they were fundamental to a nations ability to wage war. By establishing the European coal and steel community the idea was to make it impossible for members to go to war with each other. The free trade block aspect was of secondary importance.


The Schuman declaration makes it clear that this would only be the start and further products and services would be integrated and further countries would join and become more integrated and aligned.

It was all set out from the start, none of this was hidden. Ted heath also made this clear in the 75 referendum.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Nov 26 with 648 viewskarnataka

The Countdown begins. on 16:50 - Nov 26 by sherpajacob

The EU originated with the Schuman declaration and the treaty of Paris which established European cooperation over the production of coal and steel. These products were specifically chosen as they were fundamental to a nations ability to wage war. By establishing the European coal and steel community the idea was to make it impossible for members to go to war with each other. The free trade block aspect was of secondary importance.


The Schuman declaration makes it clear that this would only be the start and further products and services would be integrated and further countries would join and become more integrated and aligned.

It was all set out from the start, none of this was hidden. Ted heath also made this clear in the 75 referendum.


" Ted heath also made this clear in the 75 referendum."

Made it clear?? That's a novel idea. I wonder if it could catch on?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:42 - Nov 26 with 599 viewslonglostjack

Well said Mr Harding. Sums it up nicely.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:59 - Nov 26 with 581 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 18:42 - Nov 26 by longlostjack

Well said Mr Harding. Sums it up nicely.

https://www.facebook.com/542218382/posts/10156911807128383/


“Your party conserves nothing”. Bang on the button.

Overly confident prediction aside (“the economy will tank” - it possibly will as there are few if any positive indications, but we’re not 100% sure), there’s no arguing against any of that.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:22 - Nov 26 with 540 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 21:25 - Nov 26 with 531 viewstrampie



Nicola won the leaders debates in GE contests, I don't think they will be keen to take her on, but public pressure might demand it, May and Corbyn are poor debaters, Sturgeon is good at it.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:26 - Nov 26 with 529 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 21:29 - Nov 26 with 519 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 22:16 - Nov 26 with 485 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:29 - Nov 26 by trampie



Theresa May is the voice for remain

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:19 - Nov 26 with 479 viewstrampie

May and Corbyn like most topics are on the same side.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:53 - Nov 26 with 463 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:22 - Nov 26 by trampie



Debate my arse. What’s the point? Unless it’s going to be a replacement for BBC prime time once Strictly finishes.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:59 - Nov 26 with 460 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 22:19 - Nov 26 by trampie

May and Corbyn like most topics are on the same side.


Corbyn is for leave.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:09 - Nov 26 with 451 viewstrampie

The Countdown begins. on 22:59 - Nov 26 by Highjack

Corbyn is for leave.


And May is.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:16 - Nov 26 with 443 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:09 - Nov 26 by trampie

And May is.


No. May is pretending to want to leave while corbyn is pretending to want to remain. Both in a desperate attempt to cling onto power. We established this in 2016.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:26 - Nov 26 with 432 viewstrampie

The Countdown begins. on 23:16 - Nov 26 by Highjack

No. May is pretending to want to leave while corbyn is pretending to want to remain. Both in a desperate attempt to cling onto power. We established this in 2016.


They both voted remain and are now both leave, neither want a peoples vote as well, Corbyn tries to swing both ways by saying he is 7 out of 10 remain, but if Corbyn was PM he would do what May has just done and negotiated the UK leaving.

They are the same, Labour and Conservatives have been on the same side for the last 35 years on most issues.

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The Countdown begins. on 23:32 - Nov 26 with 422 viewstrampie

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46352463

Trump speaks on Brexit and thinks its a great deal for the EU.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:11 - Nov 27 with 334 viewsShaky

New ‘Hanseatic’ states stick together in EU big league
By Mehreen Khan in Paris

FT, 27 November 2018

Wopke Hoekstra’s visit to Paris last week ended with the Netherlands’ finance minister getting such a dressing down from his French counterpart Bruno Le Maire that it was labelled a “diplomatic incident” by one Dutch newspaper.

The response captured an essential truth: the growing role that a Dutch-led alliance dubbed the “new Hanseatic League” is playing in European statecraft.

France’s finance minister — who waited until post-dinner coffee with Mr Hoekstra to deliver a 20-minute tirade against the Hansa “club” — railed at the alliance for threatening deeper eurozone integration and weakening the EU. Mr Hoekstra, whose visit to Paris was the last stop in a charm offensive that also included Berlin, denied that he is sowing divisions: the Hanseatic alliance, he said, was constructive rather than uncompromising.

“It is not one group against the other,” said Mr Hoekstra, who is leading the charge against French-led ideas for a eurozone budget in favour of more national responsibility in the single currency area. “The job for someone in a position like my own is to make the most of the hand you are given.

“I’m a realist. My job is to do what is in the best inteests of the Netherlands, and of course I keep an eye of what is in the interests of Europe as a whole.”

Over the past year, the Dutch have spearheaded an alliance with Ireland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden and the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to make common cause in an intensifying debate on the future of the eurozone — one of the biggest questions facing the post-Brexit EU.

The nickname echoes the original Hanseatic League — a Renaissance-era confederation of northern European free-trading city states — and is tongue in cheek: the Danes, part of the new alliance, sometimes complain that they spent years fighting the original Hanseatic League.

But the name does signify a deliberate attempt to give a grouping of smaller, fiscally conservative economies a louder collective voice with Brexit looming. The UK’s departure from the bloc is depriving these nations of their biggest ally in calls for a more open single market and smaller common budget.

The group is also a response to the re-emergence of a stronger Franco-German alliance under the leadership of French president Emmanuel Macron. Berlin, economically conservative but keen to improve its political relationship with Paris, has encouraged the Dutch and others to take on a more vocal role defending traditional hawkish positions and resisting grand leaps into fiscal union for the eurozone.

Where France has lashed out, Germany has privately pushed the alliance forward. “I am from Hamburg — we are the traditional ancient Hanseatic league!” Olaf Scholz, Germany finance minister told the FT during Mr Hoekstra’s visit last week.

Once mocked as “Wopke and the Seven Dwarfs”, Mr Hoekstra and his fellow Hanseatic finance ministers — who first got together at a Brussels steakhouse in 2017 after an EU finance ministers’ meeting — now see it is a sign of success that bigger capitals such as Paris are showing their irritation. Nadia Calviño, Spain’s finance minister and former European Commission official, raised hackles among the club’s diplomats this month when she refused to respond to a recent Hanseatic position paper because it was the work of “small countries with small weight”.

The group, which holds private dinners every other month, has issued common position papers this year on three topics: resisting attempts to create more common eurozone spending tools, demanding stronger powers for the euro’s bailout fund, and measures to promote deeper capital markets in the EU.

The most recent initiative is a call for the European Stability Mechanism, the eurozone’s bailout fund, to carry out more scrutiny of national budgets — a hawkish cause, also joined by the Czech Republic and Slovakia, that reflects mistrust of the monitoring undertaken by the European Commission.

Their efforts are having the desired effect. A December package of eurozone reforms is expected to bear plenty of Hanseatic hallmarks. Instead of signing off on grand ideas like a common eurozone budget or joint bank deposit insurance, EU leaders now have more muted hopes and will instead back incremental steps to complete the bloc’s banking union.

Mr Le Maire’s criticism reflects his government’s frustrated ambitions. France wanted to drive through grand architectural changes to the single currency and set up a common EU digital tax — plans that have run into small country opposition.

For Mr Hoekstra and his allies, next month’s eurozone package will be the best answer for those who believe smaller countries cannot impose their weight in the EU.

As one national diplomat from the group boasted: “We have the collective size of France with the competitiveness of Germany.”

https://www.ft.com/content/f0ee3348-f187-11e8-9623-d7f9881e729f

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The Countdown begins. on 10:14 - Nov 27 with 297 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 22:53 - Nov 26 by LeonWasGod

Debate my arse. What’s the point? Unless it’s going to be a replacement for BBC prime time once Strictly finishes.


Jeremy Hunt saying she should debate a true remainer like Tony Blair.

May v Blair in a live debate would be like Dunvant girls U11s taking on the 2009 Barcelona team.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:28 - Nov 27 with 290 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:14 - Nov 27 by sherpajacob

Jeremy Hunt saying she should debate a true remainer like Tony Blair.

May v Blair in a live debate would be like Dunvant girls U11s taking on the 2009 Barcelona team.


Whatever Blair says will be dismissed out of hand, because he's Tony Blair.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:41 - Nov 27 with 276 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 10:58 - Nov 27 with 268 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 16:50 - Nov 26 by sherpajacob

The EU originated with the Schuman declaration and the treaty of Paris which established European cooperation over the production of coal and steel. These products were specifically chosen as they were fundamental to a nations ability to wage war. By establishing the European coal and steel community the idea was to make it impossible for members to go to war with each other. The free trade block aspect was of secondary importance.


The Schuman declaration makes it clear that this would only be the start and further products and services would be integrated and further countries would join and become more integrated and aligned.

It was all set out from the start, none of this was hidden. Ted heath also made this clear in the 75 referendum.


Ted Heath denied that joining would affect sovereignty and covderdd up a civil service report that said sovereignty would be affected. Made it all clear?

That 'Hanseatic group' sounds interesting. Just as interesting is France's stance. The French want control, they don't want anybody stopping them having their way. It's why they cosied up to Berlin.
Spain takes the French side because they hope to gain and use their size as the reason why the 'hanseatics' shouldn't have the say or be able to make changes. Spain and France both want concessions off the UK.
There is obviously division within the EU so what does that mean for it's future. There's the Hanseatics and the Visegrads and they both seem to be in opposition to Germany, France and Spain.
Recently we've had more Russian aggression too. Europe, not just the EU, is in a tricky place. Factions are emerging, arguments mounting. Where will it all end?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 11:07 - Nov 27 with 260 viewsBatterseajack

Still waiting for the outrage from Brexiteers over Trumps intervention in trying to undermine the elected prime minister of Britain.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:19 - Nov 27 with 248 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 10:28 - Nov 27 by Batterseajack

Whatever Blair says will be dismissed out of hand, because he's Tony Blair.


And if Blair came out and supported Brexit you’d dismiss it out of hand, because he’s Tony Blair.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:21 - Nov 27 with 244 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 11:07 - Nov 27 by Batterseajack

Still waiting for the outrage from Brexiteers over Trumps intervention in trying to undermine the elected prime minister of Britain.


Trump has made a comment on the final deal though he’s not undermining anyone. Snd he’s not even from here. Surely you see the difference?
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The Countdown begins. on 11:30 - Nov 27 with 237 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 11:21 - Nov 27 by Jango

Trump has made a comment on the final deal though he’s not undermining anyone. Snd he’s not even from here. Surely you see the difference?
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He’s undermining our prime ministers position in trying to get this deal through parliament. If this isn’t interference then I don’t know what is.

Obama got heavily criticised for coming out and supporting our then prime minister.
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