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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:17 - Dec 5 with 683 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 12:05 - Dec 5 by Jango

So we have a number of different polls saying different things. Kind of proves the point they are b*lllocks


Not really.

YouGov is the most respected name in UK political opinion research whereas ComRes **consults website** is apparently a PR firm specialising in corporate reputation.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:32 - Dec 5 with 670 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 12:17 - Dec 5 by Shaky

Not really.

YouGov is the most respected name in UK political opinion research whereas ComRes **consults website** is apparently a PR firm specialising in corporate reputation.
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Yes really. Yougov have been wrong many times. They are easily manipulated and often innacurate.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:09 - Dec 5 with 629 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Looks like we have 650 predominately rich, expenses fiddling, unanswerable (apart from once every 5 years), eliteist bubble dwellers playing politics and complaining without putting forward any positive solutions. Where is Guy Fawkes?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:43 - Dec 5 with 615 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 13:09 - Dec 5 by JACKMANANDBOY

Looks like we have 650 predominately rich, expenses fiddling, unanswerable (apart from once every 5 years), eliteist bubble dwellers playing politics and complaining without putting forward any positive solutions. Where is Guy Fawkes?


Or morons like this who are allowed to vote in referendums...

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The Countdown begins. on 14:21 - Dec 5 with 591 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 11:58 - Dec 5 by Shaky

Read it and weep:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-more-women-believe-leaving-


So 26% support Mays deal, 34% , support No deal and 44% support fully remaining.

That totals 104%. - Some confused people out there, and on here.

Never mind that remain wins on a FPTP, (cue brexiteers saying FPTP is undemocratic)

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The Countdown begins. on 14:26 - Dec 5 with 585 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:21 - Dec 5 by sherpajacob

So 26% support Mays deal, 34% , support No deal and 44% support fully remaining.

That totals 104%. - Some confused people out there, and on here.

Never mind that remain wins on a FPTP, (cue brexiteers saying FPTP is undemocratic)


It’s all them Russian boys voting for remain that’s buggering up the percentage!

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The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Dec 5 with 584 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:43 - Dec 5 by WarwickHunt

Or morons like this who are allowed to vote in referendums...



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The Countdown begins. on 14:37 - Dec 5 with 579 viewsHumpty

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The Countdown begins. on 14:37 - Dec 5 with 576 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Dec 5 by Jango



Pffft. My twát's much better than your twàt.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:56 - Dec 5 with 555 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 14:37 - Dec 5 by WarwickHunt

Pffft. My twát's much better than your twàt.


That I can’t argue with to be fair.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:20 - Dec 5 with 536 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 14:56 - Dec 5 by Jango

That I can’t argue with to be fair.


Looks like we've identified two new MPs?

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The Countdown begins. on 16:14 - Dec 5 with 506 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 14:26 - Dec 5 by Highjack

It’s all them Russian boys voting for remain that’s buggering up the percentage!


or steve baker and Jacob rees mogg doing the counting.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:21 - Dec 5 with 498 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 14:21 - Dec 5 by sherpajacob

So 26% support Mays deal, 34% , support No deal and 44% support fully remaining.

That totals 104%. - Some confused people out there, and on here.

Never mind that remain wins on a FPTP, (cue brexiteers saying FPTP is undemocratic)


It proves nothing. When they admit to it being a small sample they give the game away. Polls were completely wrong in 2016, why would we trust them more now. The only definitive proof is actually having the vote.
That said, I think the "people's vote" is now necessary and will happen and, as I have already said elsewhere, I believe we will choose remain. Out of pragmatism rather than a real desire to stay in the EU by everyone who voted leave fiorst time.
Mays deal is a complete sell out and makes this country a prisoner to the EU memberships political wishes. We would never leave until other EU countries had milked us for everything possible at which point leaving truly would be pointless.
The ballot question has become nice and simple, it's either leave with no deal (because very few people would choose to take this deal) or abandon A50 and remain. Surely remain would win this time by a landslide then we can sit back and see what unfolds.
We can see if our veto will count for anything or if the EU's desire to expand and take more power will trump all. With QMV being extended, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/qualified-majority-voting-system-to-be-extended-

I will go with the latter though I could obviously be very wrong.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Dec 5 with 468 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Here's a little summary of quotes from our Parliament today.....

.......'and the UK should leave without a deal'
........'Any deal with backstop will not pass this House'
........'to leave would be a tragic, tragic mistake'
........'not convinced by second referendum'
........A no deal would be 'criminal'
........'There has been no alternative to EU membership set out'
........'We should be ready to extend Article 50'
........'Second referendum 'cannot be a vote for the status quo'
........'There is an "orderly no deal" option that can be arranged'
........'The future success of this country depends on us executing the will of the British people and leaving the European Union'
........'This is a good deal'
........'Could an amendment' stop Brexit?'
....... 'A people's vote is required'

How can so many 'so clever' people presented with the same facts come up with so many conclusions?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:06 - Dec 5 with 455 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 06:48 - Dec 6 with 315 viewsBatterseajack

This guy is basically Jango in a coat with a velvet collar.

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The Countdown begins. on 08:26 - Dec 6 with 278 viewsKilkennyjack

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-referendum-overspendin

Remain reached spend limit and stopped.
Leave reached spend limit and carried on spending.

They cheated.
And it was enough in such a tight vote.
Says an independent Oxford professor expert.

But the bloke down the pub says he knows exactly what he voted for. And experts have been wrong before.

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The Countdown begins. on 08:56 - Dec 6 with 267 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 08:26 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-referendum-overspendin

Remain reached spend limit and stopped.
Leave reached spend limit and carried on spending.

They cheated.
And it was enough in such a tight vote.
Says an independent Oxford professor expert.

But the bloke down the pub says he knows exactly what he voted for. And experts have been wrong before.


Independent you say, so not a remain voter then? It's one of the few things Gove was right about, people are fed up of expert opinion and especially when the expert is giving a biased opinion.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Dec 6 with 266 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Dec 5 by JACKMANANDBOY

Here's a little summary of quotes from our Parliament today.....

.......'and the UK should leave without a deal'
........'Any deal with backstop will not pass this House'
........'to leave would be a tragic, tragic mistake'
........'not convinced by second referendum'
........A no deal would be 'criminal'
........'There has been no alternative to EU membership set out'
........'We should be ready to extend Article 50'
........'Second referendum 'cannot be a vote for the status quo'
........'There is an "orderly no deal" option that can be arranged'
........'The future success of this country depends on us executing the will of the British people and leaving the European Union'
........'This is a good deal'
........'Could an amendment' stop Brexit?'
....... 'A people's vote is required'

How can so many 'so clever' people presented with the same facts come up with so many conclusions?
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I reckon it's because they really aren't that clever, they are just well educated idiots. Alan Sugar (and I can't stand the bloke) has more nous than most of them put together.

I mean, Corbyn has changed direction so many times his heads nearly fallen off and his neck has RSI yet he is still saying Labour could get a better deal. The EU is saying this is it, it's this or nothing. Now the EU could be bluffing but does anyone trust any of our politicians to call that bluff and win?
ironically, I reckon Blair could because he's the ultimate flim flam artist but he would only want to give more away. The people he scammed the most were his country men and women.
So going back to my opening lines, never mind politicians, send Sugar in. he can negotiate.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:05 - Dec 6 with 260 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:09 - Dec 6 with 256 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Dec 6 by Catullus

I reckon it's because they really aren't that clever, they are just well educated idiots. Alan Sugar (and I can't stand the bloke) has more nous than most of them put together.

I mean, Corbyn has changed direction so many times his heads nearly fallen off and his neck has RSI yet he is still saying Labour could get a better deal. The EU is saying this is it, it's this or nothing. Now the EU could be bluffing but does anyone trust any of our politicians to call that bluff and win?
ironically, I reckon Blair could because he's the ultimate flim flam artist but he would only want to give more away. The people he scammed the most were his country men and women.
So going back to my opening lines, never mind politicians, send Sugar in. he can negotiate.


Thatcher would definitely have called their bluff and won.

Sugar? Good grief... made money selling crap, not the world class businessman he likes to claim. Let's not forget why ITV lost the Prem league concept to Sky...
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The Countdown begins. on 09:22 - Dec 6 with 247 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 09:09 - Dec 6 by bluey_the_blue

Thatcher would definitely have called their bluff and won.

Sugar? Good grief... made money selling crap, not the world class businessman he likes to claim. Let's not forget why ITV lost the Prem league concept to Sky...


Made money selling crap you say, yet he's a billionaire. How many people make a billion, become a Lord and get their own tv show to boot simply by selling crap?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:51 - Dec 6 with 227 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 08:26 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-referendum-overspendin

Remain reached spend limit and stopped.
Leave reached spend limit and carried on spending.

They cheated.
And it was enough in such a tight vote.
Says an independent Oxford professor expert.

But the bloke down the pub says he knows exactly what he voted for. And experts have been wrong before.


A £9.3m pro-EU publicity blitz by David Cameron's government in the run-up to the Brexit referendum gave the Remain side an unfair advantage, the like of which should be outlawed in future votes, an independent commission has suggested.

In a major report, a cross-party panel called for a significant extension of restrictions banning ministers from using unlimited amounts of public money in favour of one side of a debate before the final month of a campaign.

Why do you keep on about this when remain spent £2m over the limit on these leaflets alone. Far worse. That was blatantly cheating by the government.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:55 - Dec 6 with 223 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 09:22 - Dec 6 by Catullus

Made money selling crap you say, yet he's a billionaire. How many people make a billion, become a Lord and get their own tv show to boot simply by selling crap?


Plenty of rich people made their money selling cheap crap to people who paid too little for what they wanted.

Amstrad products were famous for being utter sh1te, but they were the cheapest in the argos catalogue.

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The Countdown begins. on 11:33 - Dec 6 with 188 viewsShaky


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