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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1201330 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Dec 18 with 1252 viewsA_Fans_Dad

The Countdown begins. on 22:42 - Dec 17 by sherpajacob

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36276175


You guys just make it too easy


So do you.
Please note what it actually says about the accounts and fraud, 10 times higher than the UK.
They also highlight poor value for money, which is a polite term for waste and mis-spending.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:15 - Dec 18 with 1227 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Dec 18 by WarwickHunt

Errr...of course it fûcking is - which is why he should drop the pretence there’s going to be a GE and press for a second referendum.

Except he won’t because he’s a brexiter pretending to be a remainer. The massive, two-faced cûnt.

Simple enough for you, Tom?


ah ,You want labour to call a vote of no confidence then loose it
Then call for a referendum.
Ok

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The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Dec 18 with 1219 viewsA_Fans_Dad

The Countdown begins. on 00:10 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001

All in the commons briefings.

Payments are broken down as follows:

UK participation in EU annual budgets 2019 & 2020 - £16.3bn
‘Reste à liquider’ - 2021 - 2028 - £19.8bn
Other net liabilities - 2019 - 2064 - £2.6bn
Total - £38.7bn

The report notes:

The agreement reached on the settlement means that the UK will:
• contribute to and participate in the 2019 and 2020 EU budgets, as part of the transition (or implementation) period;
• continue to receive EU funding from EU programmes that are part of the EU’s 2014–2020 budget plan;
• contribute towards the EU’s outstanding budget commitments at 31 December 2020 (these are budget commitments that have been made, but not yet paid);
• contribute towards some of the EU’s liabilities – obligations to pay for certain items following past activities – incurred before 31 December 2020. EU staff pensions are the main source of such liabilities;
• remain liable for the EU’s contingent liabilities – potential liabilities that may occur depending on the outcome of an uncertain event – which relate mainly to financial guarantees given and to legal risks;
• receive back the €3.5 billion of capital it has paid into the European Investment Bank (EIB) in 12 instalments from 2019, and receive back the relatively small amount of capital it paid into the ECB on withdrawal;
• remain liable for EIB liabilities approved before the WA comes into force, and will provide a guarantee to the EIB for its stock of outstanding loans which will decrease as EIB loans associated with it decrease;
• continue to participate in some of EU’s overseas programmes, such as the European Development Fund, until the current round ends.

Happy to help.

And Bluey - the figures are net of our share of assets.

Edit to add - sorry, the point on trust - the UK has the right to appoint its own auditors under the agreement.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 0:11]


So you obviously know more business speak than the rest of us, how long has an "Agreement in Principle" been a "Contractual Obligation"?
From the actual TF50 Report
"This report is put forward with a view to the meeting of the
European Council (Article 50) of 14-15 December 2017.
Under the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, the joint commitments set out in this joint report shall be reflected in the Withdrawal Agreement in full detail. "
And
"2. Both Parties have reached agreement in principle across the following three areas under consideration in the first phase of negotiations, on which further detail is set out in this report :"

So is there a later report that gives the "Withdrawal Agreement in full"?

The bill also does not mention that the Annual Budgets £16.3bn is less the payments made by the EU to the UK.
Also the largest payment is for the RAL - 2021 - 2028 - £19.8bn, which is not mentioned in the actual report, it only mentions liabilities at 2020 not up to 2028 ie
"Outstanding commitments at the end of 2020 –
Reste à liquider (RAL)
61. The UK will contribute its share of the financing of the budgetary commitments outstanding at 31 December 2020 (RAL). "
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 10:23]
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The Countdown begins. on 10:22 - Dec 18 with 1213 viewswestside

Last week JRM was calling for May to resign now this week he's publicly backed here.

What a self serving hypocrite
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The Countdown begins. on 10:29 - Dec 18 with 1209 viewsLohengrin

The Countdown begins. on 22:49 - Dec 17 by WarwickHunt

Corbyn was fûcking pathetic today.

May actually laughed at the dopey twàt. Given a loaded gun, he shot himself in the foot. Again.

Bra. Fûcking. Vo.


Majid Nawaz is laughing about him on LBC right now. He was in a press conference where John McDonnell was laying out the bold strategy for bringing down the Government. As word of the debacle at the Commons started to spread, the assembled journos started to giggle and McDonnell was left stood there red-faced muttering FFS! to an aide.

Labour are incapable of running a bath let alone the country, that’s the long and short of it. As for Corbyn himself, on the showing of the last six months it really does raise genuine questions as to the onset of senility?

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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The Countdown begins. on 11:09 - Dec 18 with 1175 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 10:15 - Dec 18 by oh_tommy_tommy

ah ,You want labour to call a vote of no confidence then loose it
Then call for a referendum.
Ok


*lose*

It's a party policy fudge to use a referendum as a last resort. There's zero chance of a no deal or a GE happening so Corbyn needs to stop pretending and shit or get off the pot.

I want a referendum, the Labour Party membership wants a referendum - Corbyn, McClusky and McDonnell don't.

Go figure...
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The Countdown begins. on 11:34 - Dec 18 with 1156 viewswaynekerr55

The Countdown begins. on 11:09 - Dec 18 by WarwickHunt

*lose*

It's a party policy fudge to use a referendum as a last resort. There's zero chance of a no deal or a GE happening so Corbyn needs to stop pretending and shit or get off the pot.

I want a referendum, the Labour Party membership wants a referendum - Corbyn, McClusky and McDonnell don't.

Go figure...


For the many and not the few, Warwick.

If 'many' is defined as Corbyn and his Marxist tw*ts, of course.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:23 - Dec 18 with 1130 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 11:34 - Dec 18 by waynekerr55

For the many and not the few, Warwick.

If 'many' is defined as Corbyn and his Marxist tw*ts, of course.


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The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Dec 18 with 1094 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Dec 18 by A_Fans_Dad

So you obviously know more business speak than the rest of us, how long has an "Agreement in Principle" been a "Contractual Obligation"?
From the actual TF50 Report
"This report is put forward with a view to the meeting of the
European Council (Article 50) of 14-15 December 2017.
Under the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, the joint commitments set out in this joint report shall be reflected in the Withdrawal Agreement in full detail. "
And
"2. Both Parties have reached agreement in principle across the following three areas under consideration in the first phase of negotiations, on which further detail is set out in this report :"

So is there a later report that gives the "Withdrawal Agreement in full"?

The bill also does not mention that the Annual Budgets £16.3bn is less the payments made by the EU to the UK.
Also the largest payment is for the RAL - 2021 - 2028 - £19.8bn, which is not mentioned in the actual report, it only mentions liabilities at 2020 not up to 2028 ie
"Outstanding commitments at the end of 2020 –
Reste à liquider (RAL)
61. The UK will contribute its share of the financing of the budgetary commitments outstanding at 31 December 2020 (RAL). "
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 10:23]


The report I’m quoting from is dated 5 December 2018 and is what is used in the withdrawal agreement. It’s the final agreement.

No idea what you are using. If it’s in anticipation of a meeting a year ago, it’s obviously been superseded.

On the more general point re contractual obligations vs agreements in principle, one issue is of calculation. As an example, one of the contractual agreements we have is around paying our share of pensions (wouldn’t want Farage and his merry crew to lose anything personally over all this would we). There are a number of ways in which pension obligations can be calculated. So, although we have a contractual obligation to fund our share of pensions, there has had to be an agreement on the way it’s calculated. The same thing applies over a whole range of areas.

As an aside, the £39bn being mentioned, is only an estimate. It’s likely to be much higher than that. Pension obligations for example are going to cost more than was expected. Also, and this is pretty ironic really, the whole obligation is in Euros, and the tanking sterling has taken due to our ridiculous decision to Brexit, has led to our bill going up substantially.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:01 - Dec 18 with 1095 viewsmajorraglan

The Countdown begins. on 10:22 - Dec 18 by westside

Last week JRM was calling for May to resign now this week he's publicly backed here.

What a self serving hypocrite


Birds of a feather! JRM and his cronies want TM out and no doubt still do, but they won’t risk the possibility of a Labour Government. It’s all about power
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The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Dec 18 with 1061 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 10:15 - Dec 18 by oh_tommy_tommy

ah ,You want labour to call a vote of no confidence then loose it
Then call for a referendum.
Ok


Tommy, everyone knows he will lose a vote of no confidence. Which is why this nonsense is just wasting time. Deliberately wasting time, because he’s out of touch with the views of both his parliamentary party and voters.

He’s imposing his own personal views (pro Brexit) on the views of those he purports to represent.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:35 - Dec 18 with 1056 viewsmajorraglan

The Countdown begins. on 11:09 - Dec 18 by WarwickHunt

*lose*

It's a party policy fudge to use a referendum as a last resort. There's zero chance of a no deal or a GE happening so Corbyn needs to stop pretending and shit or get off the pot.

I want a referendum, the Labour Party membership wants a referendum - Corbyn, McClusky and McDonnell don't.

Go figure...


Tend to agree with this.

Labour are divided on Brexit, but their internal strife isn’t as bad the Conservatives. A sizeable number of both parties parliamentary constituencies voted leave, for the Tories it was 70% and for Labour it was 60%.

Like the tories, Labour are fudging things and trying to kick the can down the road. Talk of negotiating a better deal is fanciful rubbish. Labour don't have the numbers to force through a vote of no confidence/General Election unless Sinn Féin rock up to Parliament which isn’t going to happen, the DUP switch sides which again isn’t going to happen or a number of Tory MP’s vote against the Government which again won’t happen, if it’s apparent to me it should be clear to everyone else including him and his advisors.

If Corbyn wants out of the EU, may be he is posturing and protesting to appease his supporters but leaving TM to carry on and fulfil his goal whilst allowing her to take the flack. The only way I see a second vote is MP’s break ranks in the future to vote on TM’s deal.

I don’t agree with his views, but I think JC has more integrity than TM who has been a poor PM and Home Secretary before that. He should be smashing her in the polls but isn’t. He did ok at the last election, but is coming up short now. He won’t win a GE if one is called.

It’s a mess.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:36 - Dec 18 with 1055 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001

Tommy, everyone knows he will lose a vote of no confidence. Which is why this nonsense is just wasting time. Deliberately wasting time, because he’s out of touch with the views of both his parliamentary party and voters.

He’s imposing his own personal views (pro Brexit) on the views of those he purports to represent.


6 out of 10 labour constituencies voted leave Lisa. No matter how many manipulated recent polls you choose to believe. Nothing will change that.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 13:42]
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The Countdown begins. on 14:48 - Dec 18 with 1016 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 13:36 - Dec 18 by Jango

6 out of 10 labour constituencies voted leave Lisa. No matter how many manipulated recent polls you choose to believe. Nothing will change that.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 13:42]


Every single calculation of voting shows Labour voters favouring remain. Nothing to do with polling of current wishes, that’s based on what people actually voted.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:02 - Dec 18 with 1007 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 14:48 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001

Every single calculation of voting shows Labour voters favouring remain. Nothing to do with polling of current wishes, that’s based on what people actually voted.


Every single calculation of voting shows leave won the vote so you’ll be happy to see the prime minister carry out the will of the vote then.

Or are you only concerned with statistics that suit your argument?
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 15:03]
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The Countdown begins. on 15:13 - Dec 18 with 998 viewsA_Fans_Dad

The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001

The report I’m quoting from is dated 5 December 2018 and is what is used in the withdrawal agreement. It’s the final agreement.

No idea what you are using. If it’s in anticipation of a meeting a year ago, it’s obviously been superseded.

On the more general point re contractual obligations vs agreements in principle, one issue is of calculation. As an example, one of the contractual agreements we have is around paying our share of pensions (wouldn’t want Farage and his merry crew to lose anything personally over all this would we). There are a number of ways in which pension obligations can be calculated. So, although we have a contractual obligation to fund our share of pensions, there has had to be an agreement on the way it’s calculated. The same thing applies over a whole range of areas.

As an aside, the £39bn being mentioned, is only an estimate. It’s likely to be much higher than that. Pension obligations for example are going to cost more than was expected. Also, and this is pretty ironic really, the whole obligation is in Euros, and the tanking sterling has taken due to our ridiculous decision to Brexit, has led to our bill going up substantially.


Funny, the BBC hd some kind of "expert" on this mornig stating that the £39bn was "negotiated" and the Uk could change it to £20bn at the stroke of a pen.
He obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

I haven't seen how long we have to pay this contractual obligation so I wonder if we can just do what the Germans did and not bother to pay it for 60 years, after all the EU won't exist by then.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Dec 18 with 970 viewsKilkennyjack



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The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Dec 18 with 968 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 15:13 - Dec 18 by A_Fans_Dad

Funny, the BBC hd some kind of "expert" on this mornig stating that the £39bn was "negotiated" and the Uk could change it to £20bn at the stroke of a pen.
He obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

I haven't seen how long we have to pay this contractual obligation so I wonder if we can just do what the Germans did and not bother to pay it for 60 years, after all the EU won't exist by then.


I’ve no idea who the BBC had on. But stating that the amount could be £20bn at the stroke of a pen is absolute rubbish.

I’ve already explained what was meant by ‘negotiated’ - you obviously don’t understand. It’s not negotiated that there are contractual obligations, how they are calculated is negotiated. Those negotiations are complete.

And I have already given the time frames in an earlier post. Some of it goes out to 2064.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:08 - Dec 18 with 960 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 10:22 - Dec 18 by westside

Last week JRM was calling for May to resign now this week he's publicly backed here.

What a self serving hypocrite


He's respecting the democratic decision that was made...
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The Countdown begins. on 16:15 - Dec 18 with 955 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack



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The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Dec 18 with 911 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:15 - Dec 18 by bluey_the_blue

Shoot Remoaners and the Irish... all problems solved...


No dogs, no Irish, are you sure that's your full list?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:11 - Dec 18 with 892 viewsA_Fans_Dad

The Countdown begins. on 16:03 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001

I’ve no idea who the BBC had on. But stating that the amount could be £20bn at the stroke of a pen is absolute rubbish.

I’ve already explained what was meant by ‘negotiated’ - you obviously don’t understand. It’s not negotiated that there are contractual obligations, how they are calculated is negotiated. Those negotiations are complete.

And I have already given the time frames in an earlier post. Some of it goes out to 2064.


Sorry it is not me who dosn't understand your understanding.
It is the so called "experts" on the TV.
Perhaps you should go and put them straight.

I accept what you say until proven otherwise.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 17:12]
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The Countdown begins. on 17:15 - Dec 18 with 879 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:08 - Dec 18 by bluey_the_blue

He's respecting the democratic decision that was made...


by calling for her to resign immediately after the result was announced?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Dec 18 with 869 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 17:11 - Dec 18 by A_Fans_Dad

Sorry it is not me who dosn't understand your understanding.
It is the so called "experts" on the TV.
Perhaps you should go and put them straight.

I accept what you say until proven otherwise.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 17:12]


Who was the expert? The BBC have all sorts of utter idiots on day after day so it’s difficult to judge.

Only yesterday that moron from Wetherspoons was on yet again lying about tariffs.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 17:59]
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The Countdown begins. on 17:22 - Dec 18 with 865 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 17:11 - Dec 18 by A_Fans_Dad

Sorry it is not me who dosn't understand your understanding.
It is the so called "experts" on the TV.
Perhaps you should go and put them straight.

I accept what you say until proven otherwise.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2018 17:12]


The BBC employ Jason Mohamed, Robbie Savage and Chris Sutton as "experts"

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