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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:30 - Jan 25 with 583 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 12:19 - Jan 25 by monmouth

You mean that Westminster won't make up the shortfall and much of Wales will degenerate into even more abject poverty? And even more tents on Queen Street.

Unbelievable Jeff. Who on earth could have predicted that.


We have Alun Cairns fighting our corner.


We're fooked

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The Countdown begins. on 12:43 - Jan 25 with 574 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

It’s all our fault if it goes tits up.
So the Torys say

Contempt of parliament they were

Lost vote after vote





Contempt to the country

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The Countdown begins. on 12:49 - Jan 25 with 562 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 10:01 - Jan 25 by Legend83

Playing devil's advocate here, but you realize we are net "contributor" to the EU bank balance and therefore what this is effectively saying is the EU will no longer be giving us our money back...

...however clearly then there is a question about whether the contributions we would have made that are now staying in the UK Treasury coffers would still end up on these regional projects.

Wasn't there some article recently that pointed out that the investment ploughed into Wales via the EU has been totally ineffective at generating economic benefits?

Found it - so c£2.5bn of "structural funding" from the EU since 2007 has:

- supported 230,000 people to gain a qualification (£11k per person)
- helped 72,000 people into jobs (£34k per person)
- created 36,000 jobs (£70k per job)

Value for money??
[Post edited 25 Jan 10:37]


Meaningless.

The CBI estimates the net benefit of EU membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year. What the fûck do they know though...

The IFS tends to agree. What the fück etc.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:51 - Jan 25 with 556 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 12:43 - Jan 25 by oh_tommy_tommy

It’s all our fault if it goes tits up.
So the Torys say

Contempt of parliament they were

Lost vote after vote





Contempt to the country


A lot of turkeys did vote for Xmas though.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:56 - Jan 25 with 550 viewsLegend83

The Countdown begins. on 12:49 - Jan 25 by WarwickHunt

Meaningless.

The CBI estimates the net benefit of EU membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year. What the fûck do they know though...

The IFS tends to agree. What the fück etc.


If my figures were estimates and not actuals I would agree with your comparison...because let's face it, every official body that has made any sort of forecast of what might happen since June 2016 has been right on the money...
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The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jan 25 with 542 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:43 - Jan 25 by oh_tommy_tommy

It’s all our fault if it goes tits up.
So the Torys say

Contempt of parliament they were

Lost vote after vote





Contempt to the country


Its not that leave voters weren't warned that they could be voting to be poorer. They chose to either dismiss it as project fear, or accept that there could be a degree of economic hardship, which might mean sacrificing their jobs, but it would ultimately be worth it.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:02 - Jan 25 with 539 viewsHighjack

Phillip Hammond says he might resign as chancellor in the event of no deal increasing leaves majority by another 35% in one interview.


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The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jan 25 with 522 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 12:56 - Jan 25 by Legend83

If my figures were estimates and not actuals I would agree with your comparison...because let's face it, every official body that has made any sort of forecast of what might happen since June 2016 has been right on the money...


I'm more inclined to believe the IFS and CBI than some "offical" organisations.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Jan 25 with 510 viewsLegend83

The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jan 25 by WarwickHunt

I'm more inclined to believe the IFS and CBI than some "offical" organisations.


That is your prerogative but I find it hard to place much weight on the messages from the IFS who not only receive £000s of donations from the EU Commission but also made such doomsday predictions prior to the Referendum as:

- a vote to leave would send the stock markets in to nose-dive
- a vote to leave would cause investment to dry-up
- a vote to leave would send a "seismic" shock through the UK economy and we would all be much worse off.

None of these things happened.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:36 - Jan 25 with 495 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Jan 25 by Legend83

That is your prerogative but I find it hard to place much weight on the messages from the IFS who not only receive £000s of donations from the EU Commission but also made such doomsday predictions prior to the Referendum as:

- a vote to leave would send the stock markets in to nose-dive
- a vote to leave would cause investment to dry-up
- a vote to leave would send a "seismic" shock through the UK economy and we would all be much worse off.

None of these things happened.


To a degree all those have happened, even if the impact hasn't been felt by the man on the street just yet

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/brexit-blows-22bn-hole-business-


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The Countdown begins. on 13:51 - Jan 25 with 473 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jan 25 by WarwickHunt

I'm more inclined to believe the IFS and CBI than some "offical" organisations.


The CBI who said we’d be fools not to join the Euro?

The IFS whose chief admitted to getting forecasts of the immediate impact of a leave vote wrong and admitted the long term effects of Brexit could be considerably less damaging than they led us to believe leading up to the vote. Sound familiar?

One thing they are reliable at is being wrong


Edit: let’s add the Financial Times who said Greece would flourish as a nation after joining the Euro.



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The Countdown begins. on 14:04 - Jan 25 with 456 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Jan 25 by Legend83

That is your prerogative but I find it hard to place much weight on the messages from the IFS who not only receive £000s of donations from the EU Commission but also made such doomsday predictions prior to the Referendum as:

- a vote to leave would send the stock markets in to nose-dive
- a vote to leave would cause investment to dry-up
- a vote to leave would send a "seismic" shock through the UK economy and we would all be much worse off.

None of these things happened.


"Donations" is misleading.

The vast majority of the IFS's grant funding from Europe comes via the the European Research Council. The ERC is the EU's main mechanism for distribution research funds to member states; it's allocates funds on the basis of competitive bids where the primary assessment criteria is scientific excellence (it can also include other criteria, such as potential researcher development, depending on the programme). Applications are reviewed by peers from all other member states. Neither the ERC nor any other body in the EU would request researchers to produce specific results or conclusions.

Besides, the IFS report summarising the potential impacts of Brexit was funded by the UK's Economic and Social Research Council - nothing to do with the EU.

The Leave camp like to try to smear through association with the Eu though as they have no other tools to use in that particular battle.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Jan 25 with 445 viewsFlashberryjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:04 - Jan 25 by LeonWasGod

"Donations" is misleading.

The vast majority of the IFS's grant funding from Europe comes via the the European Research Council. The ERC is the EU's main mechanism for distribution research funds to member states; it's allocates funds on the basis of competitive bids where the primary assessment criteria is scientific excellence (it can also include other criteria, such as potential researcher development, depending on the programme). Applications are reviewed by peers from all other member states. Neither the ERC nor any other body in the EU would request researchers to produce specific results or conclusions.

Besides, the IFS report summarising the potential impacts of Brexit was funded by the UK's Economic and Social Research Council - nothing to do with the EU.

The Leave camp like to try to smear through association with the Eu though as they have no other tools to use in that particular battle.


"The Leave camp like to try to smear through association with the Eu though as they have no other tools to use in that particular battle"

And the the remainers wouldn't do such a thing.

"Donations, Funding, Supported" is misleading, but it's probably meant to be.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:20 - Jan 25 with 439 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Jan 25 by Flashberryjack

"The Leave camp like to try to smear through association with the Eu though as they have no other tools to use in that particular battle"

And the the remainers wouldn't do such a thing.

"Donations, Funding, Supported" is misleading, but it's probably meant to be.


It is strange that most of the doomsday predictors and fervent pro Eu campaigners are heavily funded by the Eu. Is it a coincidence? Surely it must be.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:35 - Jan 25 with 428 viewsFlashberryjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:20 - Jan 25 by Highjack

It is strange that most of the doomsday predictors and fervent pro Eu campaigners are heavily funded by the Eu. Is it a coincidence? Surely it must be.


Of course it's a coincidence.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:47 - Jan 25 with 416 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:35 - Jan 25 by Flashberryjack

Of course it's a coincidence.


Definitely

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The Countdown begins. on 14:48 - Jan 25 with 413 viewsHighjack

Suggesting otherwise would be a massive conspiracy theory so it’s good we’ve ruled it out as a coincidence.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:11 - Jan 25 with 389 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Jan 25 by Flashberryjack

"The Leave camp like to try to smear through association with the Eu though as they have no other tools to use in that particular battle"

And the the remainers wouldn't do such a thing.

"Donations, Funding, Supported" is misleading, but it's probably meant to be.


Yep it deliberately misleading. Receiving grant funding is not the same as a donation. It normally involves a clearly defined, peer-reviewed and transparent process. Very different to a donation. The politicians know what they're doing when they conflate the two terms.

It's how most research organisations operate. We do at the university - a big chunk of the research money comes from the EU, not because we're being paid to distribute propaganda, but simply because they are a major research funder. It's that simple. And in all my time I've never known a situation where public funding comes attached with a requirement to spread the funder's propaganda (politicians aren't anywhere near the reviewing process). The idea is laughable.

That not necessarily the case for company sponsored research though, so sure it makes sense to check the source. Although again if that research has made it into a reputable publication, it's likely that at least the methodology is sound and the conclusions sensible based on the data. But that's a whole different argument.

There's no conspiracy. If a lot of organisations undertaking research are coming to the conclusion that brexit will be a bad thing, it's because the data they are reviewing suggest that Brexit will be a bad thing. It's as simple as that. It doesn't mean it DEFINITELY will be, just that the evidence suggests it's likely to be.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:47 - Jan 25 with 372 viewsHumpty

The Countdown begins. on 08:12 - Jan 25 by Batterseajack

Pahahhahahaha

Those calling for WTO brexit don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. If you're serious about brexit, you should be backing Mays deal.



*Edit* spelt You're as your. corrected for Warwicks benefit
[Post edited 25 Jan 8:48]


Bless.

You go on telly, you make what you think is a really good point and your fellow guests burst out laughing.

Nice work James.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:21 - Jan 25 with 350 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

What the Fack



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The Countdown begins. on 16:31 - Jan 25 with 343 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 16:21 - Jan 25 by oh_tommy_tommy

What the Fack




Teutonic bullying?

hang on a mo, I thought they were relying on the German car industry to cut a deal.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:51 - Jan 25 with 322 viewswestwalesed

The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jan 25 by Batterseajack

Its not that leave voters weren't warned that they could be voting to be poorer. They chose to either dismiss it as project fear, or accept that there could be a degree of economic hardship, which might mean sacrificing their jobs, but it would ultimately be worth it.


Exactly, this is exactly what Remain voters still don't understand. They KEEP ON going on about economics as if that is the be all and end all. We were told in no uncertain terms we would be poorer the second we woke up the day after the Referendum if we voted to Leave, and the majority voted Leave anyway.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Jan 25 with 319 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 10:10 - Jan 24 by Legend83

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6923814/UK-officials-accused-of-scuppering-comp

"The Conservatives have called for clear legislation that would force suppliers to label food with where it comes from. Presently, consumers have no idea where food comes from unless shops and manufacturers voluntarily choose to tell them."

Also the UK, US and EU Food Safety institutions have all vigorously tested Aspartame and found no proven scientific link to increase in cancer rates in humans so you need to use a better example - phenylalanine would be one.


Ok, so the picture on aspartame is a somewhat less black and white than that tweet implied. I haven't been able to discover what it was the EU imposed on the UK in relation to aspartame and the UK government objected to. What we're talking about here is a highly technical issue relating to product safety, that is subject to continual review. Pretty boring and mundane stuff. It certainly doesn't merit the ludicrous anti-EU posturing of those on the right who make the hugely exaggerated, to the point of fraudulence, argument about EU infringing UK sovereignty. Seriously, do you think the public at large gives a monkeys about such arcane matters as these?

I'm not sure what point you were making with the link you made. If you're trying to suggest that the Tories and the UK government in general have a good track record on regulation then I give up. This is the party that until very recently didn't see the obvious link between obesity and the lack of regulation around sugary food and drinks (or more accurately did see the links but didn't want to bite the hand that feeds the Tories). It continues not to see the problems around gambling, which the current lack of regulation of advertising on tv contributes significantly towards. The Tories scandalously allowed the likes of Wonga charge obscene rates of interest on their loans, helping to contribute to a ballooning private debt burden (Private Debt to GDP in the United Kingdom stood at a whopping 229 percent in 2017). Only when the inevitable problems were undeniable even by the Tories did they enact long overdue regulatory control.

The Tories, especially those on the right of the party - typically Brexiteers - bang on about the need for de-regulation all the time as if that's a good thing. Yet one of the greatest virtues of the EU is precisely the fact that it takes a strong regulatory stance on issues such as climate change. No wonder the likes of Trump hate the EU so much - because we are the standards setter for the world in many regulatory areas. Even massive multinationals such as Google have to dance to the EUs tune when it comes to GDPR legislation - as will the UK in the event of any form of Brexit, including a no-deal one.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:13 - Jan 25 with 309 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Jan 25 by Legend83

That is your prerogative but I find it hard to place much weight on the messages from the IFS who not only receive £000s of donations from the EU Commission but also made such doomsday predictions prior to the Referendum as:

- a vote to leave would send the stock markets in to nose-dive
- a vote to leave would cause investment to dry-up
- a vote to leave would send a "seismic" shock through the UK economy and we would all be much worse off.

None of these things happened.


This isn't the complete picture though is it. One of the predictions that did come true - immediately, was a slump in the value of the pound. The fact that the other predictions largely haven't come true was down to immediate intervention from the Chancellor and the BoE to abandon the central pillar of the Tory government's economic policy - a reduction in the Budget deficit. In normal times this would have humiliating and would have come with a huge political cost - but obviously the whole Brexit process took the limelight. Had the government and the BoE not kicked the ball into the long grass as far as deficit reduction was concerned then the pre-referendum predictions may well have come true. The lie prior to the election was not to openly acknowledge the plan B that the government would have had up its sleeve all along in the event of a leave vote. But then the Tories were never going to be honest about any of this, given the huge political embarrassment of having to abandon your flagship economic policy.

It's also worth pointing out that many economists and politicians have been arguing for a long time that the Tories were choking the life out of the economy with their approach to Austerity. It's rather ironic that the Leave vote has induced the Tories to doing what they should have been doing all along - which will have helped he economy perform better than if we'd continued on the same austerity programme. Mind you , were it not for the Leave vote the economy could well be prospering a lot more than it currently is, with growth remaining anaemic, and less than the average for the Euro zone.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:17 - Jan 25 with 301 viewsLegend83

The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Jan 25 by BytholWyn

Ok, so the picture on aspartame is a somewhat less black and white than that tweet implied. I haven't been able to discover what it was the EU imposed on the UK in relation to aspartame and the UK government objected to. What we're talking about here is a highly technical issue relating to product safety, that is subject to continual review. Pretty boring and mundane stuff. It certainly doesn't merit the ludicrous anti-EU posturing of those on the right who make the hugely exaggerated, to the point of fraudulence, argument about EU infringing UK sovereignty. Seriously, do you think the public at large gives a monkeys about such arcane matters as these?

I'm not sure what point you were making with the link you made. If you're trying to suggest that the Tories and the UK government in general have a good track record on regulation then I give up. This is the party that until very recently didn't see the obvious link between obesity and the lack of regulation around sugary food and drinks (or more accurately did see the links but didn't want to bite the hand that feeds the Tories). It continues not to see the problems around gambling, which the current lack of regulation of advertising on tv contributes significantly towards. The Tories scandalously allowed the likes of Wonga charge obscene rates of interest on their loans, helping to contribute to a ballooning private debt burden (Private Debt to GDP in the United Kingdom stood at a whopping 229 percent in 2017). Only when the inevitable problems were undeniable even by the Tories did they enact long overdue regulatory control.

The Tories, especially those on the right of the party - typically Brexiteers - bang on about the need for de-regulation all the time as if that's a good thing. Yet one of the greatest virtues of the EU is precisely the fact that it takes a strong regulatory stance on issues such as climate change. No wonder the likes of Trump hate the EU so much - because we are the standards setter for the world in many regulatory areas. Even massive multinationals such as Google have to dance to the EUs tune when it comes to GDPR legislation - as will the UK in the event of any form of Brexit, including a no-deal one.


I absolutely agree but then I wasn't the one using it as an example of the virtues of the fluffy EU over the evil UK Government.

No I wasn't trying to make that point I was simply showing that for every example of iffy regulatory policy by the Tories you could probably find one where Labour were the bad guys (or the Tories were the good guys for once!).

Are we talking about the same EU who promoted the use of diesel cars for years to meet CO2 emission targets (forgetting the rest of the sh1te they kicked out) and has basically shrugged it's shoulders over VW's Diesel-gate? Oh wait, they are a German company...

Going off topic here on the sugar tax - is it the Government's role to save people from themselves? Is there evidence to suggest regulation (in this case punitive taxes) has the positive impact intended or is the result simply that the worst off end up paying 30p more for their Friday night 1l Pepsi which they would buy regardless? Perhaps educating obese people would be preferable.
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